asoiaf & got feels

The Northerner’s Daughter(s)

As a figure who is absent in real time, Lyanna is ever present through the story despite the sparse mentions of her, much like Ned although he dies in AGOT/season 1 but still is a figure, who is remembered and impacts people’s actions. Initially, she’s associated with Ned and Arya, possibly because of him seeing his sister in his daughter but we find there are indirect associations with Jon as well, as she is revealed to be his biological mother. However, less talked about is Sansa in relation to her on a book and show meta level.

Recently, @abi117 and I were discussing a tonne of things about ASOIAF, and somehow we stumbled on the topic of why the show has implied more association between Lyanna and Sansa(the crypt scene in S5 and the similar hairstyles in the flashback in S6 and in S7), when the books clearly stated that Arya was like Lyanna looks-wise and also in that she was a wild child/had the wolf’s blood, who wanted to fight like Visenya and was good at riding horses. Through a series of discussions we realized that while Lyanna resembled Arya in certain ways, so did she share similarities with Sansa in other, less obvious ways - in terms of characteristics and even journey-wise (especially in the books) to the point where it is scary why we didn’t think of it before. As the story does establish Arya and Sansa as two very different sisters who are meant to be complementary to each other (keeping Ned’s line from AGOT/season 1 in mind), they both are parts of Lyanna split up. 

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When Arya and Gendry reunite i hope it is beautiful and emotional and happy and sad all at once because fuck they deserve it. They haven’t seen eachother since s3 and they 1. left on a pretty bad note which was heartbreaking and 2. Arya probably thinks the red woman killed Gendry and Gendry probably knows now about Arya being kidnapped by the Hound. 

Firstly, I hope she sees him and Jon separately first because we deserve two separate reunions for each of them. And secondly, I legit pray that the genius sound people combine the Stark and Baratheon themes when they finally see each other bc that would be fuckin great.

I hope Gendry sees Arya first (before she sees him) and i really want her to be fighting someone with Needle or just generally being a badass bc he last saw her as a young girl pretending to be a boy and now she’s what, 16 or 17?? I want him to be in shock at this tiny girl he last saw is now, still pretty small, but a woman and a badass one at that.

When Arya sees Gendry i want her to freeze and be in total shock bc this dude who was probably her closest friend in life who she thinks she would never see again is standing right in front of her. But instead of an immediate hug and all that, i really want her just to fucking sock him right on the jaw lol. He was going to leave her to join the Brotherhood back in s3 and she was pretty pissed off/upset about that. But after she has punched him and his initial shock i want them to just stare at each other both with tears in their eyes with their themes in the backroud and have a Jon and Sansa style hug. Arya is still a lot smaller than Gendry so my fuckin shipper heart wants him to lift her off the ground with her arms tightly around his neck and then whisper something like “m’lady”

anonymous asked:

Why do you say Rhaegar and Lyanna's relationship is abusive? We know next to nothing about them.

With what we do know, there’s no way their relationship could be anything but abusive. Rhaegar was a 24 year old married man with two children and a crown prince of the kingdoms, and Lyanna was 15 year old girl who just wanted to escape her impending marriage. That’s one hell of a power imbalance. Rhaegar may not have hurt her physically (that we know of), but that doesn’t mean he was good to her or for her. Lyanna may have very well gone with Rhaegar willingly, but that does not mean she agreed to be hidden away in a tower and impregnated at 15 to fulfill Rhaegar’s ridiculous prophecy. In all likelihood, Rhaegar didn’t love Lyanna, he was using her as a human incubator for his third head of the dragon. 

Going after Lyanna was the worst mistake Rhaegar ever made, and yet D&D are twisting it into some kind of tragic love story to make Jon Snow’s real daddy more likable. Any way you slice it, Lyanna’s death is on Rhaegar. And not just Lyanna’s: Elia’s, Rhaenys and Aegon’s, Arthur Dayne’s - Rhaegar’s own best friend - and thousands more in a completely pointless war that Rhaegar began. He was the heir to the Iron Throne, and Lyanna was just a girl; he was the adult, and she was the child. What happened to Lyanna was Rhaegar’s fault. And that’s not romantic, it’s not tragic - it’s inexcusable. 

You say we know next to nothing about Rhaegar and Lyanna, but what we do know works directly against them having a healthy relationship. Lyanna is described by more than one person as being “willful” and having “the wolf’s blood.” She wanted to be free; to live as she choosed; to explore, to fight, to be outside. She was impulsive, headstrong, and independent. Lyanna didn’t want to marry Robert Baratheon because she didn’t want to be trapped with a man she knew would be unfaithful to her. So by what logic would she consent to being confined to a tower under guard for over a year by a man who was unfaithful to his own wife? Isn’t that exactly what Lyanna was trying to avoid by escaping her marriage to Robert?

And then there is Elia Martell, a woman that should not and cannot be ignored just so the R+L ship can sail. Abandoning your sick wife and young children for a teenage girl is not romantic, and yet here everyone is, romanticizing it. Did Robert’s Rebellion not teach us anything? That actions have consequences? That when you act selfishly and impulsively at the expense of others, retribution will come? If Rhaegar and Lyanna’s “love” was so pure and beautiful and true, why did Westeros break out into a civil war for her honor? Why did both of them die as a result? What was the point?

Book!Rhaegar believed in something, at least. Even though he was wrong, he still truly believed that what he was doing was for the good of the realm - to save the world - which still doesn’t excuse his behavior. But show!Rhaegar? Prophecy who? He had no reason to steal Lyanna except the fact that he wanted her, fuck everyone else who got in the way, right? But it’s okay, because together they made Jon, right? Wrong. Jon Snow is a very important man, but his existence doesn’t somehow validate Rhaegar’s actions. “Who cares what Rhaegar did! Without him, we wouldn’t have Jon!” But what about Lyanna? What about Elia and her children? What about the realm? Is your favorite broody boy really so important to you that you’re willing to overlook every horrible thing that happened to give him to you? 

I don’t hate Jon, I love him, just as I love Lyanna. She deserved far better, and so did Elia, Rhaenys, Aegon, Arthur, Rickard, Brandon, and everyone else who died because of what Rhaegar Targaryen did. Why do I think R+L is abusive? Because Rhaegar destroyed Lyanna, and you don’t destroy the person that you love. 

In all honesty, the best love story to come out of Game of Thrones isn’t even one of the ships. It’s Kit and Rose.

Originally posted by casaharington

“Let me tell you something about wolves, child. When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives. Summer is the time for squabbles. In winter, we must protect one another, keep each other warm, share our strengths. So if you must hate, Arya, hate those who would truly do us harm. Septa Mordane is a good woman, and Sansa…Sansa is your sister. You may be as different as the sun and the moon, but the same blood flows through both your hearts. You need her, as she needs you…and I need both of you, gods help me.”

ARYA II, A Game Of Thrones

“I’m more happy with Jon than I’ve ever been before. This year there is this huge seismic shift where all of what he’s learned over the years, suddenly…” – Kit Harington, Time Magazine

anonymous asked:

I don't know the books, so can you please explain why you think Sansa is written wrong?

this answer requires entire dissertations so i’ll keep it bullet points

in the books sansa is:

- kind, generous and forgiving (up to a certain point). no, she doesn’t lose any of these qualities along the way, but then again she doesn’t suffer pointless rape because D&D really wanted to do the jeyne poole plot (which, btw, is theon’s plot in the fifth book, jeyne is more symbolic than anything). this is not to say sansa is a goody-two-shoes, her good will gets blunted and worn, but it’s still there, no matter what. 

- she’s not the “empowered” survivor that shits on femininity and her “stupid girl” self; she survives by preserving her true Stark identity, by keeping an open heart

- at the same time, she reflects on her doubleness; she has to take on the name of alayne stone and become a bastard (petyr baelish’s daughter). she begins to understand class difference better (commiserating with jon snow), she begins to discover certain morally ambiguous drives within her; like her mean-spiritedness, or her attraction to petyr’s philosophy and all that he represents

- she explores her sexuality in very interesting ways (she imagines sandor clegane kissed her during blackwater battle, and she compares that imaginary kiss with other such experiences, wondering what it would be like to be touched)

- she builds strong friendships and allies along the way

- she’s highly intelligent and has a good mind for riddles (petyr loves to test her in that regard)

- she makes mistakes, she blunders, but she always pulls herself up by resorting to her manners. i can’t stress this enough, courtesy is a lady’s armor.

- at one point in the fourth book, she fuckin crosses a super dangerous icy passage and carries sweetrobin with her

- she learns about politics in a relatively safe environment & she hones in her skills by interacting with other players

- she listens. a lot. 

- finally, she’s written consistently. sansa does change throughout the books, of course. in the second book, she already reflects on her past mistakes and her naivety, but she doesn’t resolve to become “hardened”, she just tries to navigate king’s landing as well as she can. (in the show, she’s sassy one minute, demure the next, but there’s no internal logic for these mood swings. it’s just plot convenience.)

- she brings a frickin blade to meet ser dontos in the second book 

- she’s incredibly perceptive to people’s moods and tries her very best to anticipate them

- at the same time, she can be very moody herself

- u know why? because she’s a young teenage girl, and she’s allowed to be one. she’s allowed not to hate herself, she’s allowed not to apologize to jon for some made-up insults, she’s allowed not to feel bad for her childish fantasies

- in fact, she triumphs because of her “childish” fantasies

- sansa believes in a better world. and that takes a lot of courage. 

Part Two: Scales and Wings

Part one: https://phd-in-westerosi-history.tumblr.com/post/164352181456/part-one-scales-and-wings

Make sure you read part one for a little more context. This installment focuses of Jon’s reaction to potentially being a father and how he would respond to Dany’s worries. Hope you enjoy!


She stood at the door to his chamber, but she did not knock. The young queen felt her body stiffen when she thought of reaching for the door. What would he think? What would he say? These question rattled her mind and all she did was stand there- powerless. She herd Jon pacing around his camber, just hearing something so small comforted her. She kept telling herself not to bother him or that she should wait till the next day, but Jorah’s words rang true. “You must be strong.”

She took a long deep breath, as if she was ready to breath fire, then she knocked on the camber door. His familiar voice said “Come in.”

She opened the door and stepped into his camber making sure to avoid his eyes. With shock in his voice he said, “My Queen, I’m sorry I thought you were Davos.”

“Are you expecting him? I can come back later.” Dany felt ashamed by her own words, scratching to find an escape, that wasn’t strong.

“No I wasn’t expecting him you’re fine.” He said. She meet his eyes then looked back down again. Why was this so hard? He recognized her odd behavior and asked. “Daenerys what’s wrong?”

Using all the power she could muster she held back the tears looked him in the eye and said, “I’m with child Jon.” She held gaze with him as she watched his reaction unfold. At first he seemed shocked, which she expected, but then he bore an expression that’s hard to interpret. His eyes turned soft and his lips landed somewhere between a gasp and a smile. Finally he plastered a wide grin on his face and hurriedly crossed the room to embrace her. In his arms she couldn’t help but let the tears fall. 

He pulled away from her and saw her tear ridden eyes. He took her face in his hands and said, “Those don’t look like happy tears.”

“I am happy, I truly am, it’s just…” She took a deep breath.”There’s something I have to tell you.” His hands dropped from her face and he took a slight step backwards, he looked confused. “Jon I’ve been pregnant before, a son by Khal Drogo. I carried the child till his birth but when he came from the womb he was not… human.” Jon silently listened as he tired to piece the story together. “The woman who delivered my child was a witch and she cursed my womb. The child I bore had lizard scales and bat-like wings. She told me he had died in the womb long before he came into the world.” Jon began to understand.”I worry that if I’m able to carry… our child… it won’t be a child.”   

She began to sob violently and Jon embraced her again. He kissed her head and told her to quiet. He sat her down on the bed and she began to calm.

“This witch,” he said,”this is why you believed you were barren?”

She nodded and a silence fell over them. Jon held her tightly, but said nothing. She imagined he was trying to find the right words. It was not long until he knew what to say.

“Daenerys, I will love this,” He placed his hand on her womb and she felt a shiver go down her spine. “no matter what because they will be part me and part you, north and south, ice and fire.” He had a tear in his eye. She felt comfortable and warm, something only love can bring. He continued, “I never really wanted to be a father, or at least that’s what I convinced myself. I didn’t want to father children because they would be a Snow and I didn’t want them to experience the ridicule I’d always known. So I took the black never really understanding what I had given up.” As he said this Dany could almost see the memories in his eyes, they were filled with sadness. “But if I were to have a child with Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, Queen of all the Seven bloody Kingdoms! I don’t think they’d ever be ridiculed with a name like that!”

She couldn’t help but smile, Jon always made her happy. 

“I will love this child and if there is no child I will give that love back to you. I love you Daenerys and now with a potential heir on the way you have no reason not to marry me.” He grinned at her and pulled her close.

“One step at a time, Jon.” She said with a smile. With his words still ringing in her ears and his touch warming her skin she felt something she hadn’t known for a long time… hope.

I was just thinking about my changing feelings for Jonsa and what I want from them romantic or not and just my heart right now. I want them to be more that Ned and Cat 2.0 because they deserve to be more than reminders and relics of ghost.

I want them to feel a shift in the room once the other enters.

I want their relationship to be strange and explosive and full of hidden glances that tell everything and nothing all at once. I want them to be able to communicate without saying a word. I want it to be changing and developing and something that never settles or is stagnant.

But more than that I want it to be spiritual. I want for them to be two souls or hearts that you would never expect to connect, connecting. While I would love for it to be romantic in canon I don’t really mind or care of it isn’t if it’s done right. Romantic love isn’t the be all or end all and what I want for Jonsa is more than that. I want transcendence for these two, I want depth.

The gods made the earth for all men t’ share. Only when the kings come with their crowns and steel swords, they claimed it was all theirs. My trees, they said, you can’t eat them apples. My stream, you can’t fish here. My wood, you’re not t’ hunt. My earth, my water, my castle, my daughter, keep your hands away or I’ll chop ’em off, but maybe if you kneel t’ me I’ll let you have a sniff. You call us thieves, but at least a thief has t’ be brave and clever and quick. A kneeler only has t’ kneel
—  Ygritte, A Storm of Swords