i think some people are taking dean’s general aprehension regarding jack as some kind of large homogenous mass of misplaced anger (often taken as “because Castiel :-(” but thats another problem for another time). Sam’s “explanations” of Dean’s feelings aid that but… it’s just sam’s words. and when you take everything into account, it falls flat and false.
In terms of interacting with jack, dean might be harsh and surely is unfiltered level of honest but he’s not mean, not cruel
where he really goes extra in terms of being rough is with sam. he is not stupid and he recognizes the difference between a toddler with too much power that should not be trusted too much because of simple damage control
and an adult man who should know better but willfully ignores every rational argument because he likes his own narrative better (sam, who dances this dance repeatedly since near day one).
He’s not personally pissed with jack, surely not as much as at the very least sam (and some people) wants everyone to think. The bar scene is textual proof that Dean can relate to Jack, the promise he gives him is only confirmation of that. Dean’s been there in a way Sam hasn’t because burdened with a power near impossible to control both Dean and Jack wanted to stop causing damage and be stopped at all costs if necessary, while sam (and cas,while we’re at it) most of all wanted to be right and win, no matter the cost (and im not just pulling old dirt out, this is recent seasons too, ie. releasing the darkness or fucking with cosmic consequences).
He’s pissed at sam’s dance no. i don’t even count at this point. He might be grieving the loss of his family but he’s not stupid. I don’t think he buys the amazing uncle sammy thing - historically there is no reason for him to and there is no reason for the audience to do that, either. And here’s why:
- sam shot dean’s biological daughter, emma, even though the situations were near identical,
- sam never gave benny minimum of trust even though benny meant so much to dean and never betrayed him
- as recently as in s12 sam sided with BMoL who were clear about their intentions to commit all monster genocide regardless of whether they preyed on humans or not.
and yet! now all so suddenly sam wants to take jack under his wings and lavishes him with sweet words, ignoring any warning signs with spectacular ease. did he change his mind after 15 minutes with jack in a cell?
or is it about the possibility to harness his power (whereas emma, benny or any other nonhuman wouldn’t be useful like that) because he can do the thing where he can open the portal to the alternate dimension where mary is? (note how he doesn’t accept her death and the texts spends time to consistently point that out)
so if you want to call someone a nasty grief-driven dick, you’re barking at the wrong tree
So… I couldn’t help but see this scene as foreshadowing. It’s exactly what I have speculated since 12x19 would likely happen with the nephilim (but on a bigger scale of course), so having this as potential foreshadowing in an early episode, as these episodes are often seen later on as foreshadowing, really fits.
I’ve long speculated that towards mid-end of season Jack will go darkside. Since 13x01 it seems clear this will likely be because he’s manipulated and scared. He should, hopefully though, come back to the light thanks to TFW.
In this scene it’s a smaller look at this as a narrative. This scene in 13x02 is exactly that speculation, but on a smaller scale, I believe as foreshadowing for the epic version.
Jack has already shown that due to Dean’s anger and both their lack of emotional support (no hugs, no real love, though Sam is trying, it’s not enough to counteract Dean’s apparent hatred that he feels) he feels that he perhaps doesn’t deserve nice things “maybe I’m not worth all this”. BUT Sam tells him he IS. Again for me this supports that he could feel rejected, or even potentially feel that he could be bad, poison, to those people he cares about (if he does I’ll scream because hello Dean mirror) and end up going dark side through a kind of despair at feeling rejected and alone or through a want to do the right thing but it be misplaced.
Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons? Hi Jack, welcome to the family!
So, in this small (potentially foreshadowing) scene, Asmodeus manipulates Jack by pretending to be good and telling Jack he’s doing the right thing. Jack in the end realises that he is bad and stops because Asmodeus is hurting his “friends”.
What would I give please Dabb, for a more epic version of this moment later in the season. Where Jack is manipulated by the dark side whether it be Asmodeus or Lucifer or even both, they are able to get to him because maybe Dean truly has made him feel terrible, like a monster because he did something that got someone hurt maybe. Maybe though he feels he wants to keep away from them to protect them and again, as is the narrative always with this show, being alone leads to BAD THINGS. Being together leads to GOOD THINGS. I don’t know exactly how it’ll go down but I bet it has a lot to do with Dean due to Jack’s mirror as Sam and the fact that Dean has to feel bad for whatever reason of what he does wrong regarding Jack to then subvert it for his own journey of apologising, hugging the shit out of him even if it is just metaphorically but you know, give TFW and the nougat hugs 2k17, we can hope.
Anyway, in the end Jack will need to be brought back onto the righteous path, back into the family fold, like this but in a more epic version. Not “friends” but “family”. Dean has to show that he does care about Jack (for his own journey of self acceptance and his own fatherly issues) but really all of them do.
TFW have to tell him he IS their family and they love him. This should be what brings him back to the light.
They (and especially Dean now that he’s made his stance so clear to Jack in 13x02 and it was so painful to watch let alone experience for Jack) have to tell him that they choose him as their family.
They have to love and want him in their family
- regardless of having powers or not (as a mirror to Cas)
- regardless of his past mistakes (as a mirror to Sam)
- just as he is, warts and all (as a mirror to Dean).
This then just consolidates the speculation that some of us have again, long had, that Jack is the catalyst for TFW’s own endgames as he is the exposition to these things and leads them to accept them about themselves.
This is just my speculation of course, I don’t know that this is going to happen, I just really liked this scene for the fact that it feels like an exact smaller version of this speculation I’ve had for half a year and I cannot but help think of it as potential foreshadowing :)
book! penny :
whiny, pretentious, thinks he's smarter than he is, kind of an asshole
tv show! penny :
still kind of an asshole but cares too much underneath, hears voices, not pretentious, annoyed by everything (remember when he got fucking stabbed and rolled his eyes at it? #iconic)
book! janet :
wants what she can't have, a gryffendor, bi and butch, actively dislikes other girls
tv show! margo :
has a better name, a slytherin, bi and femme, isn't really friends with other girls but doesn't want to destroy them, more canonly bi (the line about thai food implies she doesn't think that girls are interesting sometimes and that she thinks they're attractive all the time)
book! asmodeus :
17, smarter than she should be, kills a god, goes by "becky" for some reason
tv show! kady :
bi as fuck, not seventeen, would die for julia wicker
book! josh :
can do magic but only sometimes, part of the squad, mostly irrelevant, marries quentin's ex
tv show! josh :
still irrelevant, ditches the squad, dating victoria who wasn't even in the books
book! quentin :
depression, trying his best, kind of a fuckboy after alice/penny but he gets better about it, ivy leauge kid
tv show! quentin :
same thing but with more obvious depression
book! julia :
tv show! julia :
book! alice :
fucking brilliant, deserved better, i am adopting her bc her parents are shit
tv show! alice :
deserved better, my brilliant and kind daughter who i am adopting bc her parents are still shit
book! eliot :
more of a hipster, gay, doesn't marry a woman (@syfy writers - what the fuck???? what the fuck??? what the fuck?????)
tv show eliot :
trying his best, very sad, covers it up by drinking a lot, qpps with margo, more preppy less hipster, marries a woman because he has to, still gay
Ya know, for a Buckleming, that was a good episode. I mean, there were definitely things to check off for BINGO, but overall, not bad.
Some thoughts, in no particular order:
So many daddy issues:
Jack is still conflicted about his real father, his chosen father, and these two guys that he kind of looks up to and who may or may not hate him.
Sam is trying to do what John DIDN’T do for him. I really love how Sam’s taking charge more and is really coming into his own.
Dean is a hot mess and is in danger of becoming John 2.0. Of course, we know that Dean won’t ever go down that road completely, but he’s hurting and he’s pulling some of the same crap that John did to his kids.
Oh and what common event caused both these men to break? Losing a loved one? Hm. That’s interesting.
Lucifer, on both sides of the spectrum. Blah blah he’s still pissed at God and apparently he’s Emo™ and Misunderstood and Mary couldn’t possibly know what that he actually always wanted to be Father of the Year and run a preschool for fledgling angels and be a foster parent for wayward seraphim and shucks he woulda just been so cuddly.
Asmodeus!Bartender just kind of lays it out there… *anvils*
i’m sorry but this is so stupid. you’re telling me that dean winchester would not paint a devil’s trap in front of the door? you’re telling me that a demon could just walk into that hotel room with all the warding they did? it’s just not realistic, barb
“With that magnitude and scale of destruction, it can only be caused by a prince of hell,” Jace said, his voice loud in the war room.
The other shadowhunters nodded and murmured in agreement and Magnus’ eyes flickered to Alec who stood a couple of meters away from Jace and was staring intently at the news report on Mauna Kea’s eruption and the unending rain of soot, ash and fire, that was slowly turning Hawaii into a wasteland. He stood tall with his arms crossed behind his back, the very picture of the perfect soldier. The only thing that gave away his agitation: his furrowed brow and the way he shifted, almost imperceptibly from one foot to the other.
“The question then is, which prince of hell is it,” Lindsay, the dark-haired, glasses-wearing shadowhunter that always shifted just out of the way every time he showed up at the institute said. Her eyes met his and had everyone else turning to look at Magnus. “Which one of them would you say it is?”
Magnus shook his head. “None of them.”
“What,” Jace asked and finally looked up at Magnus.
Magnus shrugged. “If a prince of hell was walking on earth, the death toll will be way more than the fifty-seven people that the reports say have died. Why expend so much energy if the kill would end up being so low? Especially if they go through this much to flaunt their power?”
“And what would you know about the princes of hell warlock,” he heard one of the shadowhunters sneer.
Alec’s head snapped up. Before Magnus could reach out to calm him, a voice spoke up.
“Clearly more than you. A prince of hell indeed. Stupid nephilim.”
Magnus spun around. That voice. He knew that voice. Hoped to everything that was good and pure that he would never have to hear it again. Clearly the heavens paid no mind to the children of Lilith because sitting right on a chair at the corner of the room was a slender man, dressed in a deep blue, almost black tailored suit. Shoes that were so polished, Magnus was sure he would have been able to see his reflection in them. He’d replaced his preferred diamond cufflinks with ones of black opal, a blue garnet tiepin kept his tie in place. His hair was combed back, and kept in place by the barbed wire crown he wore. Cat eyes eerily similar to his when he dropped his glamour stared back at him and Asmodeus’ lips curved into a mocking smile.