ask cersei

anonymous asked:

What are your thoughts on Jon initiating sex? I know there was a ridiculous idea about LF writing a letter to Jon about him marrying Sans and which resulted into him going to D's cabin but what can we hold unto now?

My thoughts are… muddled. 

But I am of the opinion that Jon is deceiving Danielle. This is part wishful thinking and part backed up by really great metas. Here are two that I particularly love: here & here. So with that in mind, Jon initiating sex seems fitting with that theory. It also makes sense that he would use sex as a way to really garner her trust. It’s underhanded and awful, yes, but Jon did the same with Ygritte. While he didn’t initiate sex with her, he gave into her sexual advances knowing that it will prove he’s truly broken his vows to the Night’s Watch. It made Ygritte trust him, and Jon as someone who grows and learns from his experiences would remember this and think that perhaps this will make Danielle trust him too. After all, anyone with eyes can see the way she looks at him and Jon isn’t blind to women being sexually attracted to him. 

I think the idea that LF writing a letter to tell Jon he’s marrying Sansa is probably more wishful thinking. I remember this theory going around as well at the start of the season. This wasn’t in the leaks, right? I never actually read them so I don’t know, but it seems too obvious. Jonsa deals in subtleties because they have to this season. Jon3rys is the red herring, so anything explicit will be directed towards them. But remember that every leak that has been right thus far has been utterly wrong about context. You can put lines on a paper and it can show one thing, but an actor’s portrayal and the cinematography of the scene plays a huge part in how it’s perceived by the audience. So right now, we’ll just have to wait and see how that works out. 

Someone wrote a meta as well about how boatbang happens is foreboding for the relationship. I can’t remember who wrote it so I’m really sorry to that person for hijacking this great piece of analysis, but apparently, the leaks suggest that the boatbang scene is interspersed with scenes of Rhaegar and Lyanna, and Sam and Bran’s voice overs. Now, if a relationship was truly of the epic love variety, why would their love scene not get the full unadulterated attention it deserves? 

Let’s look in comparison though. There have been 2 sex scenes this season thus far. Missandei and Grey Worm and Jaime and Cersei. 

Missandei and Grey Worm’s scene was long, tantalisingly slow, with the camera completely focused on them. Their love was palpable because we, as the audience, was allowed to watch as these new lovers took each other in. We can believe their love is real because we’ve not only been given a long build up over seasons but also a scene that pays special focus on them together in this moment. 

Jaime and Cersei is a little different. We’ve already had previous sex scenes with them so there’s less need to draw out this scene, but even so, the camera focuses on them entirely without cutting away to anything else because we know Jaime is in love with Cersei. What’s interesting is the dynamic between them. Cersei initiates even despite Jaime’s meagre protest. She’s the one that performs oral sex, which is a power move on her end. Then it cuts to them in bed with Jaime looking fondly at her before someone knocks and Cersei is up and striding across the room, again despite Jaime’s protests. It’s an interesting subversion of the usual power dynamics in sex scenes, where it’s the man who strides to open the door to a third party while the woman lies in bed, covering up and protesting the invasion of her privacy. Jaime is the one who covers up and Cersei is the one opening the door. It’s definitely an interesting demonstration that Jaime is in love with Cersei but Cersei is more interested in having power over him. 

How boatbang happens will be very important in displaying what the nature of that relationship is like. We don’t know yet since we have yet to see the way it’s filmed, but the very fact that it’s not being given the full attention of the show is really quite foreboding. They’re new lovers. This is the first time they’re seeing each other naked to put it crassly, and frankly, that should be exciting not only for them but for the viewers. If they were so deeply in love already at this point or with the potential to be in the future, this scene should focus entirely on how they take each other in and how they come together as a pair. But it’s not. It’s being shot in between scenes of Rhaegar and Lyanna, which is frankly kind of gross already because… well, who the hell wants their sex scene to be in any way related to their parents? That’s just going to make the audience uncomfortable. Not to mention having said sex scene have voice overs is also incidentally not very sexy at all, especially when one of the voices happens to be the ‘brother-turned-cousin’ of one of the participants. 

All in all, it’s a suspicious way to film an Epic Love. Mostly because it probably isn’t. Some might say it’s an Epic Tragic Love Story doomed to end badly, but it’s not even that. Jon and Ygritte were a Tragic Love Story and their sex scene was given 3 minutes of buildup including the actual sex. We were allowed to watch new lovers learning to be intimate with each other. They might not have been in love then but it set them up quite nicely for their future love. The focus on their scene made it seem inevitable and it made us want to root for them.

That’s what you should hold onto, Anonny, because boatbang is definitely not going to be as people expected and how it’s filmed and portrayed plays a huge part in demonstrating what exactly is the dynamic between these two characters. 

I hope that answers your questions. Sorry it’s so long-winded. 

“I will not have the rose and the direwolf in bed together,” declared Lord Tywin. “We must forestall him.”

“How?” asked Cersei.

“By marriage. Yours, to begin with.”

It came so suddenly that Cersei could only stare for a moment. Then her cheeks reddened as if she had been slapped. “No. Not again. I will not.”

“Your Grace,” said Ser Kevan, courteously, “you are a young woman, still fair and fertile. Surely you cannot wish to spend the rest of your days alone? And a new marriage would put to rest this talk of incest for good and all.”

“So long as you remain unwed, you allow Stannis to spread his disgusting slander,” Lord Tywin told his daughter. “You must have a new husband in your bed, to father children on you.”

“Three children is quite sufficient. I am Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, not a brood mare! The Queen Regent!”

“You are my daughter, and will do as I command.”

She stood. “I will not sit here and listen to this -”

“You will if you wish to have any voice in the choice of your next husband,” Lord Tywin said calmly.

When she hesitated, then sat, Tyrion knew she was lost, despite her loud declaration of, “I will not marry again!”

“You will marry and you will breed. Every child you birth makes Stannis more a liar.” Their father’s eyes seemed to pin her to her chair. “Mace Tyrell, Paxter Redwyne, and Doran Martell are wed to younger women likely to outlive them. Balon Greyjoy’s wife is elderly and failing, but such a match would commit us to an alliance with the Iron Islands, and I am still uncertain whether that would be our wisest course.”

“No,” Cersei said from between white lips. “No, no, no.”

Cersei Lannister is a 34 year old woman, a mother of three, and a widow and she still is under her father’s thumb, forced to marry whoever her father chooses for her to marry, regardless of her opinion on the matter. Tywin makes it as clear as day that she “will marry” and she “will breed”. Westeros is FUCKED UP.

arya4queen  asked:

Cersei Lannister :)

Tagging @kittensharkk because you also asked Cersei

  • First impression: Seemed like a bit of a fake bitch and was fucking her brother so wasn’t a favourite
  • Impression now: I love her. She’s certainly not morally good but Lena Headey is such an incredible actress I find it difficult not to like Cersei
  • Favorite moment: Although it was awful and it was sad, Cersei blowing up the sept is one of the greatest GoT moments
  • Idea for a story: Gendry is Cersei’s son with Robert and she loves him although she despises Robert
  • Unpopular opinion: She’s not pure evil. She’s a villain, but not entirely evil
  • Favorite relationship: Her children I guess. Cersei doesn’t really like anyone else
  • Favorite headcanon: Cersei constantly wishes that she could tell Robert that her children are not his in revenge for his whoring, but knows she cannot and cringes every time someone calls them Robert’s children

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🐺 There’s only one place we can go. Home. Should we tell the Boltons to pack up and leave? We’ll take it back from them.[…] Winterfell is our home. It’s ours and Arya’s and Bran’s and Rickon’s. Wherever they are, it belongs to our family. We have to fight for it.

🐯 Stand at the head of our army where you belong, where Father wanted you. Show our men where their loyalties belong. Show them what lannisters are, what we do to our enemies. And take that stupid little castle back because it’s ours and because you can.


Journey AU, Game of Thrones AU…. Yuri!!!On Ice really hit me hard….. 

Also, guess what two games I´ve been playing recently….:D 

zreyta  asked:

First fives ladies for the ask game ??

i’ll answer the first one first! favourite female ruler: that would be this beautiful golden fool of a terrible queen, Cersei Lannister, the First of Her Name.

i love how complex and yet unequivocally despicable she is; her anger, her fire, her ever-boiling hate; the way she thrashes and schemes and wants to fight the whole world only to burn herself in the end as all of her plans terribly backfire.

she’s both relatable as a woman that’s been spurned by an extremely patriarchal society, and condemnable for the way she nevertheless enforces it when it suits her.

I honestly believe

Sansa is cersei’s younger more beautiful queen. A lot of people think it’s d@ny but the prophecy says that “she will cast you down and take all you hold dear”

Cersei holds/held 3 things dear. Her children, Jaime, and power. D@ny had nothing to do with her children’s death and I don’t believe Jaime will switch to her side.

Sansa set off the chain of events that killed her children. She told Olenna that Joffrey was a monster. Olenna then conspired with Petyr to kill Joffrey. Petyrs motivation was to get Sansa to himself. All of this caused Oberyn to fight and die at tyrions trial by combat. This caused Ellaria to kill Myrcella. Because of Joffreys death Margarey married Tommen. Tommen then killed him self over the death of his wife. Sansa unknowingly started this chain of events combined with petyrs obsession with her.

If Jaime goes north I do believe he will pledge himself to Sansa. I don’t think he would pledge to Jon. And after the loot train battle I highly doubt he would follow d@ny after he tried to kill her. Also Brienne is already pledged to her with half of her fathers sword so it makes sense for him to pledge the other half to her. Almost poetic sense. But if Jaime does pledge to house Stark Sansa has effectively taken Jaime from her as well.

The last thing Cersei holds dear is power. For Sansa to fulfil this prophecy she has to become Queen taking that power from her and casting her down. I wasn’t sure how Sansa would become queen and then season 6 happened and enter in Jonsa. Cersei asked Maggie the frog “when will I wed the prince Rhaegar. Maggie replied "you will never wed the prince you will wed the king. Cersei wanted to marry the targaryen prince but married the Baratheon king instead. Sansa wanted to marry the Baratheon prince but will wed the targaryen king(ultimate parallel). I’m not saying j'onerys won’t happen it’s going to happen but it will be short lived . I do believe d@ny is a messianic figure and that she will die doing her part to save the world from the Nights King. D&D have also put off dealing with Cersei until after that war.

Sansa will marry Jon the true heir to the Iron Throne and become the queen of Cersei’s prophecy.

There’s been a lot of screen time spent on the Cersei/Sansa relationship. Cersei felt the need to teach Sansa in the earlier seasons and the audience has been reminded repeatedly of how much Cersei hates her. It would be great story telling if Sansa the one she hates and taught is her downfall in the end. Cersei took Lady from her, she took her mother, father and brother, she took her home. Sansa will take everything from Cersei as well

anonymous asked:

How could Jaime be aerys bastard?? Why would tywin have raised him if that were trie2?

Okay, so there’ve been a lot of discussions and posts written about this theory elsewhere that are probably a lot better than my explanation is about to be, because I’m too lazy to look up the proper citations. But in essence, here’s what we know from the books:

Aerys was attracted to Jaime and Cersei’s mom, Joanna Lannister, to the point of obsession. He ‘took liberties’ with her on her wedding night to Tywin, probably at least groping her and possibly more, and at one point ‘joked’ about reinstating First Night, the right of kings to sleep with a bride before her husband on her marriage night. So Aerys had both the means and the motive to sleep with Joanna - maybe raping her on her wedding night, or maybe some time after - and the timeline regarding her pregnancy with the twins checks out. If this happened, there was literally nothing Joanna or Tywin could do about it, because her rapist was the king of the Seven Kingdoms - except for leaving King’s Landing for Casterly Rock to put as much distance between them as possible, which is incidentally exactly what she did.

There’s some possible foreshadowing of this in the books with regards to Tyrion, not Jaime, being called Tywin’s ‘true’ son multiple times. Jaime also has a prophetic dream about his mom where it could be interpreted that she confirms the twins aren’t really Tywin’s (this interpretation is open to debate, of course). And then there’s Cersei’s potential madness and obsession with fire, which seems to resemble Aerys’s quite a lot, as well as the twins’ incest, which could be read as the result of their Targaryen genetics. Thematically, it would also work pretty well - you get Jaime the Kinslayer as well as the Kingslayer to make him echo Tyrion’s arc, and you wind up with Jaime and Cersei being the half-siblings of Rhaegar (who Cersei once hoped to marry) and Dany, which creates a lot of fun parallels between Cersei and Dany as well as Dany and Jaime. It would also mean that, according to Westerosi views of family (which don’t seem super positive on adoption), Tyrion - the dwarf who Tywin loathed and would willingly have disinherited if he had any shred of evidence he was illegitimate, and who eventually killed Tywin because of it - is Tywin’s only trueborn child. That’s some pretty savage irony, and definitely seems like something GRRM might come up with.

Finally, with regards to Tywin raising the twins as his own, there’s two possibilities. 1. He had no idea about Joanna’s possible rape and fully believed they were his children, or 2. he suspected the truth, but was in deep, deep denial because he couldn’t bring himself to believe that his perfect golden twins might not be so perfect after all. I mean, this is the guy who epically failed to notice that his own children had been carrying on an affair for decades right under his nose. In the show Cersei even confronts him with it, and he’s still just like, ‘nope, that’s not a thing.’ The man had serious powers of denial when it came to what he was and wasn’t willing to view as the truth.

Note: there are also theories that Tyrion, rather than Jaime and Cersei, might be the secret Targaryen bastard of the family, due to his dragon obsession and basically the same book evidence about Aerys and Joanna. I don’t like this idea as much because I think it undercuts the important themes of Tyrion’s relationship with Tywin and lessens the impact of his murder, but it’s still a possibility in the series.

anonymous asked:

Why out of all the Great Houses do only the Starks and Tyrells seem to work as a cohesive family unit? As you mentioned the Lannisters and Baratheon work against each other, the Greyjoys are a sloppy mess, the Tullys have serious issues and the Martells despite clearly loving one another lack the necessary communication to move as one. And the Arryns are pretty much all dead. Is the instability of the paramount families a product of instability in the realm?

Other way around. The present instability of the realm is a product of the instability of the paramount families.

The collapse of the Baratheon regime is linked to the disaster of Robert and Cersei’s marriage; Stannis’ and Renly’s inability to get along made fixing it in a timely fashion impossible. Lysa’s incredibly influential decisions are directly related to her father’s forcing an abortion and a marriage on her. The Lannister implosion was caused by Tywin’s death was caused by his abuse of Tyrion. Catelyn’s grief over the apparent death of her younger sons becomes the disastrous political move of freeing Jaime.

As for why the Great Houses don’t work as a unit. A lot of these families aren’t loving (quite a few are outright abusive), and the fix isn’t as simple as everyone deciding instead to love each other and work together. (I mean, why should Lysa feel obliged to work in Hoster or Jon Arryn’s best interests?) Even where there’s love on both sides, such as with Catelyn and Robb, and Doran and Arianne, characters are pulled in multiple directions by multiple interests - Catelyn has to balance her respect for Robb with her love for Sansa and Arya; Doran must balance his love for his daughter with the necessity of training his heir with what needs to be done for his own plots.

Combine that with the fact that the stakes are high - there’s a lot of power and money on the line, and life and death. Love and trust mean a lot under these circumstances.


“One more thing. A trifling matter.” He gave her an apologetic smile and told her of a puppet show that had recently become popular amongst the city’s smallfolk; a puppet show wherein the kingdom of the beasts was ruled by a pride of haughty lions. “The puppet lions grow greedy and arrogant as this treasonous tale proceeds, until they begin to devour their own subjects. When the noble stag makes objection, the lions devour him as well, and roar that it is their right as the mightiest of beasts.”

“And is that the end of it?” Cersei asked, amused. Looked at in the right light, it could be seen as a salutary lesson.

“No, Your Grace. At the end a dragon hatches from an egg and devours all of the lions.”

anonymous asked:

Cersei was always interesting to me, mostly because of her love for her children. But now that they are dead she kinda has lost her mind... I still think of her as a fascinating character but I also hope she dies. I want Jamie to live tho

I don’t love Cersei the way I love Arya. I don’t have strong enough emotions for her to defend her the way I defend Arya. But since you shared your thoughts about Cersei, I’ll share mine.

We all think it’s sad that countless people self-harm, stay in abusive relationships, and commit suicide. Yet when we finally come across someone who actually loves herself, suddenly she’s crazy and evil.

There is a theory that she is the daughter of Aerys, and that like him, she’ll eventually go mad. It’s possible. But as of now (Game of Thrones 7.4), I haven’t seen even the slightest indication that Cersei has lost her mind.

Vengeance to me is the most natural thing in the world. Vengeance is justice. It’s a manifestation of self-esteem. It’s an expression of love. If people you love deeply, including yourself, have been intentionally hurt or killed, or threatened, and you’re not dying to get justice for them, or ensure their safety in any way possible, you’re a fucking pussy.

Like Arya, Cersei is not a fucking pussy. The High Septon, his bitch nun, his stinky army and the Tyrells had destroyed 80% of everything Cersei held dear and was about to destroy the remaining 20%. Fuckers needed to be annihilated. As for collateral damage, it happens. Cersei would gladly die for someone she loves. But if asked to choose between saving her future and the lives of 1,000 strangers, of course she’ll pick her own. She loves herself. Sorry not sorry.

Unlike Joffrey or Ramsay, Cersei always has a valid emotional reason or a politically justifiable defence for hurting someone. Hates Tyrion because he’s why her mother is dead. Hated Robert because he neither loved nor respected her. Had Lady killed to defend her son’s honor. Tortured Shame Nun because the cunt tortured her first. But she was furious with Jaime for hurting Bran and she definitely didn’t want Ned beheaded.

Am I saying Cersei is a perfect person? Definitely not. (Arya is. Fucking fight me.) But she is a perfectly written character. She’s strong but not invincible. Clever but not unbeatable. Cruel but not heartless.

I will always pick someone like her over someone like Dany, who is written the other way around — obviously good, but with dark tendencies. Characters like Dany are predictable, and predictable is boring.

It isn’t my intention to change your mind or anyone’s. Cersei is a complicated woman. She’s not meant to be liked by everyone. But I respect the few who do.

anonymous asked:

Say Joanna lives and Tywin dies instead, how does that change things? Would Joanna as regent for the twins go with the double betrothal? Would the twins grow up healthy and happy? Tyrion? Elia?

Note that all of our knowledge about the double betrothal comes from Oberyn who certainly was not privy to whatever correspondence actually happened between Joanna and the Princess of Dorne. The Princess told Oberyn some parts and he filled in the blanks of the story with his observations and deductions, making him not the most accurate source of info. Here’s what Oberyn said about the double betrothal:

“Such a clever dwarf. Elia and I were older, to be sure. Your brother and sister could not have been more than eight or nine. Still, a difference of five or six years is little enough. And there was an empty cabin on our ship, a very nice cabin, such as might be kept for a person of high birth. As if it were intended that we take someone back to Sunspear. A young page, perhaps. Or a companion for Elia. Your lady mother meant to betroth Jaime to my sister, or Cersei to me. Perhaps both.”

Perhaps both. The wording makes it clear that this part is Oberyn’s conclusion and not something his mother explicitly told him. The fact that he was speaking of Joanna’s intentions is an enough tell of how accurate this information is, because Oberyn is not an authority on Joanna Lannister, neither was he privy to what she might or might not wanted.

Personally, I think Oberyn is wrong and that a double betrothal was never in the works. The idea of a double betrothal makes absolutely no sense from a dynastic standpoint, and I refuse to believe that the Joanna simply did not care about dynastic advantages. The political atmosphere of Westeros had been turbulent for years at the time and we’ve seen how the reign of Aegon V and the War of the Ninepenny Kings heavily influenced the political landscape and bred awareness of the power the lords of the realm have and how it could be consolidated into a power bloc against the crown. Joanna was not a political novice; she spent some years at court as lady-in-waiting to then-Princess, later Queen Rhaella and was the trusted confidante of the Hand of the King. She was well aware of the shifting landscape and conscious of the need for alliances, especially as Tywin’s relationship with Aerys was becoming increasingly frazzled. Joanna also lived through the misrule of Lord Tytos and knew how attentive Tywin was to asserting and consolidating the power of House Lannister. In that context, it’s hard to see Joanna planning for a double betrothal to the Martell siblings considering it unnecessarily wastes the potential of a marriage alliance with another powerful family. Besides, Joanna knew Tywin and so she certainly knew how difficult it would be to convince him of one betrothal to the Martells considering Dorne’s significant economic and military disadvantage compared to other more politically powerful families. To think she thought that she could convince him of two does not ring true to me at all. No, I sincerely doubt that a double betrothal was ever in the works, regardless of what Oberyn might think.

But that raises the question of which betrothal Joanna had in mind, which is relevant to the answer of your question. While the order in which Oberyn told Tyrion the betrothals were proposed in OTL (Cersei\Oberyn then Elia\Jaime) could indicate her preference, we simply have no way of knowing if this was the actual order the Princess proposed them in. Indeed Oberyns flipped the order around over the course of the conversation with Tyrion as seen in the above quote. It could be argued that that was the correct order of the suggested betrothals because the rejection of Elia as a bride for Jaime came with the “insult” of offering Tyrion instead, which certainly would make the Princess of Dorne far less prone to suggest another match to the man who just insulted her, whereas the refusal of Oberyn as a husband to Cersei did not come with an insult, despite how brusque Tywin was. But even if that was the correct order, was that the Princess’ own initiative? Or did she and Joanna previously agree on Cersei\Oberyn as the preferable or the more-likely-for-Joanna-to-convince-Tywin-of option? We just don’t know. We have no idea what the extent of Joanna’s involvement in how things played out was or even if she and the Princess agreed on a match rather it being a general idea of betrothing a Lannister to a Martell. Whatever theory anyone has is only conjecture based on minimal information but I fell down the rabbit hole thinking about this so why not make you suffer through it? Under a cut because no one has ever accused me of being brief.

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understandingrocks  asked:

Dear turtle-paced, do you think there not being any "permanent" women villains in the books is a conscious, deliberate choice with an intended message? I can't very well see Euron Greyjoy, for instance, getting some humanizing humiliation scene.

Well, I do disagree that there are no long-term women villains in the books - what else is Cersei? The fact she’s depicted as a whole person with internal struggles makes her no less villainous. The misogyny and abuse she’s experienced explains some of her actions, but it in no way excuses the vast majority of them.

Second, I think the lack of primarily temporal female villains in ASoIaF is partially a reflection of the whole “piss twice as hard” issue, and partially a reflection of the fact not many women are full-time fighters. In a world where not many women use swords, it’s that much harder to write a female Gregor Clegane, and in a world where women must fight and connive for every scrap of power and constantly be on guard for men casually overruling and dismissing them, it’s that much harder to be a female Tywin Lannister (as Cersei points out several times). Effective narrative villainy requires power, of some sort, to be wielded over others - and GRRM has depicted a world where women are systematically disempowered. His unsympathetic and amoral female characters are subject to that system every bit as much as his sympathetic female characters.

So yes, I suppose I do think there’s a message in the lack of female temporal villains. In Westeros, it’s hard for a little girl to grow up to be a credible threat.

Here’s where I don’t think GRRM has an excuse. There is one obvious form of power that should not respect gender constructs:


There are flat out more male users of magic in the main series, differing in capacity and morality, than there are female. (Dany, Arya, Melisandre, Mirri Maz Duur, and two stock “crone” archetypes who exist to give prophecies to more important characters.) Certainly there are more male magic-users whose magic is an integral part of their storylines or their identification as characters. I fail to see any good reason for this. Where are the female greenseers? We know of two female skinchangers other than Arya and presumably Sansa, mentioned offhandedly in the prologue of ADWD. Then we get into what use of magic means, because there’s a difference between actively doing magic, and passively receiving prophetic dreams.

Magic is a power which a female character could use for good or for evil. Even if society’s structure winnows out just about every female character who can learn magic to a greater degree, there’s still the issue of people who are “born with it” and whose capacity for magic exists in them independently. Thus far, in the main series, it’s disproportionately men.

The lack of female metaphysical villains I think is a failing on GRRM’s part, rather than a deliberate message.