arya does not want


Pour one out for all the ships that will never sail so that D & D can hastily push the S.S. Jonaerys out to sea…

anonymous asked:

Hi, quick question because I haven't read the books in a while. Did Ned encourage Arya's unladylike behaviour at all? I know he obviously let her keep Needle but apart from that I'm sure he wanted to make her a lady (the whole 'your sons will be knights... quote etc) but he and Cat just sort of gave up. I see people say because she remind him of Lyanna he encouraged it but I would've thought if she reminded him of Lyanna, he would discourage it, hoping she doesn't share the same fate

The short answer to your question, Nonnie, is NO. Ned did not “encourage” Arya in unladylike behavior. The Ned Stark who indulges his youngest daughter in every whim and thinks it’s charming if she’s rude to people is entirely a fandom creation. At least as far as the books go. Not having seen the show, I never pretend to speak to portrayals of the characters there. Honestly, this idea of Ned as the super progressive, indulgent father who would want all his children to live freely and marry for love and spend their lives doing whatever their little hearts desire if it weren’t for that horrible bitch he’s married to infuriates me as much on Ned’s behalf as it does on Catelyn’s!

As much as I love the guy, as much as he genuinely loves both his wife and children a great deal more than many other lords in ASOIAF seem to, as much as he absolutely values women as human beings capable of rational thought and worthy of respect in a way that far too few of the men in the series do, Lord Eddard Stark is a pretty traditional guy. He married for duty, became Lord of Winterfell for duty, lives his life with as much honor as he can–as he understands the concept. He expects no less of his children. He does not want them unhappy and would not willingly place them in harm’s way, but he expects Robb to fulfills his responsibilities as heir to Winterfell and one day its lord, to rule with honor and wed a woman who will make a good Lady of Winterfell. He expects Bran and Rickon to grow up and become bannermen of their elder brother, perhaps with their own holdfasts in the North, helping defend House Stark and the North and administer justice in their brother’s name. He expects Sansa AND Arya to make marriages which are advantageous to House Stark. Not because he thinks of his children as pawns, but because this is WHAT PEOPLE DO! This is how a good father secures his children’s future and how a good lord secures the future of his House.

So, OF COURSE, he doesn’t encourage Arya’s wild ways. Now, we don’t get to see any actual hands-on parenting by Ned of his daughters in Winterfell on the page. Catelyn is obviously in charge of them. Not because she’s controlling and he’s lenient–but because that is HER job. Arya sees her mother as the primary disciplinarian in her life simply because her mother, as the more hands-on parent in her daily life, is the one who’s telling her what to do and not to do on a far more regular basis. 

We DO see Ned interacting directly with Arya in King’s Landing, when Catelyn is far away and unavailable for the duty. He’s exhausted, he’s miserable away from his home and his wife, he’s frustrated with his seeming inability to make Robert act like a king or to make headway in the matter of Jon Arryn’s death or the attempt on Bran’s life, and he’s completely bamboozled on how to handle the open warfare between his daughters. And now Septa Mordane comes to him and tells him that after he left the Small Hall in frustration without finishing his dinner after yet another altercation between the two girls, Arya has made a scene and left the Hall without permission. He goes to her room, wondering how in hell to deal with her and finds her with a sword she informs him is his.

During their exchange, (which is from Arya’s POV), she notes more than once how tired her father looks. Upon realizing the sword was made by Mikken, he SIGHS. “My nine-year-old daughter is being armed from my own forge, and I know nothing of it. The Hand of the King is expected to rule the Seven Kingdoms, yet it seems I cannot even rule my own household.”

This is a dude at the end of his rope!

When Arya informs him that she hates Septa Mordane, his answer is given in a voice GRRM refers to as ‘curt and hard’. “That’s enough. The septa is doing no more than is her duty, though gods know you have made it a struggle for the poor woman. Your mother and I have charged her with the impossible task of making you a lady.”

YOUR MOTHER AND I, he says. Not just ‘your mother.’ Like Catelyn, Ned understands that Arya chafes against a lot of what is asked of her. Like Catelyn, he sees learning to do it anyway as necessary to her future.

Arya protests, of course, and gets the well-known speech from her father about having a wildness in her, or the wolf blood as his own father used to call it. And when he tells her she reminds him of his sister, even nine-year-old Arya hears the sadness in his voice. And when he tells her she looks like Lyanna, and she protests that Lyanna was beautiful he says, “She was. Beautiful, willful, and dead before her time.”

In this moment, Ned is remembering his sister with both great love and great fear for as much as he might love the echoes of her which he sees in Arya, he DOES NOT want her to follow Lyanna’s path or share her fate. Immediately after that is when he asks her what she thought to do with that sword. He’s trying desperately to figure out what to do with this daughter who is so unhappy, so determined to do what she wants, and eerily like the sister who followed her own will right into an early grave and triggered a terrible war. 

They go on to have quite a wonderful conversation in which he tries to understand her and make her understand him–talking of the pack and winter and honor, etc. Some things, she understands, and others not so much. He never mentions Lyanna again in the conversation. He tells her Septa Mordane is a good woman and emphasizes her sisterhood with Sansa, telling her that while they may be as different as the sun and the moon, the same blood flows through their hearts and they need each other. And he needs them both.

We’re in Arya’s head here–not Ned’s. But you can almost feel his desperation when he then tells her she has to STOP with the willfulness. “This is not Winterfell. We have enemies here who mean us ill. We cannot fight a war among ourselves. This willfulness of yours, the running off, the angry words, the disobedience … at home, these were only the summer games of a child. Here and now, with winter soon upon us, that is a different matter. It is time to begin growing up.”

Basically, he just told her to knock off all the things that so many in fandom feel he encouraged in her. While he may have been fairly lenient (NOT encouraging) of her shenanigans in Winterfell, they’re now in a dangerous place, and at the ripe old age of nine, he expects her to act more grown up!

Then, he lets her keep her sword and arranges lessons for her. Why does he do that? I think at least in part, it’s because he needs somebody to be happy about SOMETHING. He’s so guilty about Sansa’s wolf that he can barely speak with her, and he knows Arya hates King’s Landing, and he knows even better how much HE hates King’s Landing. Maybe if he gives her this one thing–he can keep his daughter from a full-on rebellion like that of his sister’s.

But even after that, some time later after word arrives that Bran has awakened, Arya asks Ned if he can still be a knight, and he tells her no, but that her brother may still someday be lord of a great holdfast and sit on the king’s castle or raise castles like Brandon the Builder or sail a ship across the Sunset Sea or enter their mother’s faith and become High Septon. Arya promptly asks if she can be king’s councillor and build castles and become High Septon, and Ned, of course, tells her no.

“You,” Ned said, kissing her lightly on the brow, “will marry a king and rule his castle, and your sons will be knights and princes and lords and, yes, perhaps even a High Septon.”

Arya wants none of that, of course, but my point here is that, sword lessons or not, this is the future Ned saw for Arya, the future he WANTED for Arya, not because he was a bad father, but because he loved his daughter. And to this traditional High Lord of Westeros, having his daughter become a Queen or a great Lady was the absolute most he could offer her.

So while he loved his daughter Arya dearly, and had loved his sister dearly as well, and probably did love that he could see a bit of Lyanna living on in Arya, he did not encourage her to be willful and wild any more than he had encouraged it in his sister.

anonymous asked:

Isn't there far more romantic subtext and parallels between Jon/Arya in the books than between Jonsa? Just rereading Jon's last thoughts before he dies made me realize this. But it's interesting that in the show, all that romantic subtext is translated visually between Jon and Sansa, whereas Jon and Arya's relationship seems completely platonic (but still special of course).

I’m going to be honest here and say I have no opinion on this. I’ve always felt that Jon and Arya had a strictly platonic relationship. Even from the beginning nothin rang any bells, and they still don’t. They think about each other all the time- but Ned thinks about Lyanna all the time too. Jon thinks Arya is dead until right before his death. His constant thinking of her can be excused as Ned’s constancy. Losing your favorite sibling you forged a strong bond with can and is heart breaking. So nothing there felt weird. And I feel such a loving and platonic relationship shouldn’t be intervened like that. (GRRM did scrap any romantic potential if had anyways in favor of a sibling bond, so I don’t think it will ever happen, that’s not to say a preferable red head isn’t an option. Jon thinks of Sansa just as much as Ned thought of Cat- if your rereading look at Ned and Jon and compare their interest in Lyanna/Arya and Cat/Sansa).

Though I may be biased since I ship Gendrya and feel those two are intended as Romantic Interests themselves- hell, it’s practically canon already. And the parallels forged between them, which are all romantic, say it for me. Thank you for the question nonny!

I'm done with Sansa getting hate smh

I found this episode of GOT to be one of the most frustrating yet enlightening one yet about Sansa’s and Arya’s flaws, the most important one is STILL not trusting each other, however the amount of hate Sansa is receiving is crazy as is the amount of praising Arya gets by “calling out Sansa’s shit” so let me make my point and thank you if you take the time to read all of this.
To start with everything Arya stated “I know you like pretty things because they make you feel superior to others”, to me this only seemed like a petty argument done by a jealous child or maybe Arya just didn’t want anyone in her parents chambers but it just shows how Arya obviously doesn’t know or understand everything Sansa has gone through, keep in mind that I’m not, under any circumstances undermining Arya’s life and cruel experiences all these years, however in order to make the point and be fair to both I have to state this because people tend to forget all the shit Sansa went through to favor Arya’s, they are vastly different, yet I can confidently say that Arya wouldn’t have been able to survive in Sansa’s situation just as Sansa couldn’t have survived being in Arya’s the why is simple their strengths and surviving skills are different, going back to the main point of this argument, Arya doesn’t understand what Sansa went through and how those things changed her, her main focus was on surviving, first kings landing, then the vale and then Ramsey, each and every single on of this experiences changed Sansa for better or for worse, she has stated on many occasions she doesn’t trust anyone and that no one can protect her, so it’s not completely unexpected for her to have a back up plan in case Jon doesn’t return YET AND I SAY IT AGAIN YET!!she didn’t undermined Jon’s position in the north, she acted as a Queen should, listen to the complaints and soothe them by reminding them that Jon is the King and he is doing what he believes is best, she even said to Arya that the lords have easily wounded egos and high prides, Arya doesn’t know that Jon will need all the help possible, if Sansa did anything to anger this lords and make them turn away from Jon she would be taking help than Jon and everyone in the north needs, another thing I got irritated about is that I saw a lot of people complimenting Arya on her ability to read people and strategic thinking, with all due respect I beg to differ, all throughout this episode we saw that Arya keeps thinking as a mere killer, no finesse to create a logical plan based on the situation but just brutal and precise force, she understands killing , she understand death but she doesn’t understand how the game is played and that is proven when she does exactly what littlefinger wants, hardly anyone is better at reading people as littlefinger, Arya doesn’t know him like Sansa does after all she knows what he wants and has been both helped and betrayed by him, a little more into the argument scene Sansa even told Arya that she told Jon that this was going to happen, somehow, for everyone that say that Sansa is going to betray Jon, she always has him on her mind thinking on what is best in order for him to be able to work effectively, always thinking on what’s best for him… anyways believe what you want and if you don’t agree don’t waste your time sending me hate for this is merely my opinion

I actually can’t believe that some people hate Arya just because she’s Jon’s favourite sister. Like could u imagine being a shipper of Jonsa and hating Arya Stark just because the ship isn’t canon and Jon hardly thinks about Sansa the way he does Arya??

NOTE: ships who u want, I don’t judge. I just saw a hate post about my girl Arya because of Jonsa.

anonymous asked:

Saying that Sansa is not misogynistic or not a bully is the same as saying she did not mistreat Arya or tell her she should be more of a lady. You are just parsing words, it doesn't matter what you call it. You are still excusing Sansa's bad behavior and denying things that factually happened in canon.

Hey there Anon…

So not to be all ~well actually~ BUT, actually I think it really does matter what you call it. Think it matters a lot tbh. 

I am not going to get into the bullying thing because honestly at this point I am really uncomfortable with discussing it. But as far as the “misogynist” vs. “internalized misogyny” distinction, here are the definitions that I use when I am referring to those concepts…

Misogynist: Hatred of women. A person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women. (x

Internalized Misogyny: When an individual enacts sexist actions and attitudes towards themselves and people of their own sex. (x) 

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Sansa doesn't want "to feel better than everybody else" 😒

alright so ok maybe Sansa wants to be queen but let’s be real the only reason I can imagine is so that she won’t have to be a pawn anymore- she won’t have to get carted off to marry any more monsters to benefit some other man. In her heart she knows jon won’t ever let that happen, but logically she knows he can’t go around saying no to any future marriage proposals forever (as Sansa discussed the consequences of insulting lords) and in the end she really hasn’t had good experience with men swearing to look out for her. Of course, Jon is very different from Littlefinger, but with the war and Jon’s fresh kingly status it makes jon in an even more precarious position to constantly refuse marrying Sansa, which I’m sure lurks in her mind all the time. Arya doesn’t know sansa’s story, and Sansa isn’t the kind anymore to wax poetic about her life and fears. Sansa doesn’t want power for the sake of it, she just wants to be powerful enough to be worth something. And in Westeros, really the only kind of high born girl worth anything but a chess-piece is a queen. Sansa’s not stupid, she knows that. Jon has literally gone to war for her, and I know he’d never sell Sansa off like Petyr did, but Sansa is jaded and traumatized, and doesn’t know that. Littlefinger was literally the only ally she had before Jon (besides Shae) and he sold her to Ramsay. Of course she wants to be more than an unmarried lady. Because how does that story always end? She, as Arya sooo *kindly* puts it, does not want to “feel better than everybody else”. She wants to feel like a damn human being. Arya wouldn’t get that, she spent her years either as a boy, or an assassin across the sea where they literally gave 0s about gender or power struggles. Sansa knows the only way to be safe is to be powerful, and even though Jon wants to protect her she knows he can’t because “nobody can protect anyone.” She wants to be able to protect herself, not sit back and hope the person she’s trusting doesn’t betray her, as everyone has in the past - leaving her hurt and traumatized to say the least. She’s had enough of that, as any human being with a pulse would after 7 years of hell.

sarellathesandsnake  asked:

Hey. Do you expect Arya to actually kill any more of the people on her list or do you, like I do, consider the list merely a coping mechanism at this point?

Well, “at this point” – that is, post-ADWD – we know Arya’s list is not merely a coping mechanism because she kills Raff the Sweetling in her first chapter of TWOW. (I mean, it is a coping mechanism, but it’s also a list of people she very much wants to kill, and has.) And Dunsen may also be in Braavos, another one of Harys Swyft’s guards – and there is the matter of Gendry’s helm, which Dunsen stole.

I could also see Arya taking out Meryn Trant and Ilyn Payne when she returns to Westeros. Somebody’s probably gonna kill them (valar morghulis), might as well be her. Though I might see her showing Payne mercy, but it really really depends. (His interactions with Jaime have given him more development than others, and there’s that odd running theme with Sansa.) But Trant deserves anything he gets.

Cersei, however, is Jaime’s kill, alas. (Alas for them, not for Arya.) And Sandor she removed from her list. And while Arya does want other (deserving) people to die (like the Freys), they actually aren’t on her list as such – for them it would probably be a moment of opportunity rather than a careful plan like with Raff. (Besides, it’ll be Stoneheart taking out most of the Freys, anyway.) So other than Dunsen, Meryn Trant, and likely Ilyn Payne, that’s probably it.

GoT: Eastwatch

I wish people would realize two things about the Jon and Gendry meet up: 

 1)Jon doesn’t know that Arya and Gendry know each other. There’s no reason for him to mention her. 

 2)Gendry last saw her when he was sold and thought she was going to meet her family at the Twins. We all know how that turned out, but Gendry more than likely thinks she’s dead. I don’t see why he’d mention her when they’ve literally just meet. 

 (But let’s be real the showrunners could’ve had Gendry bring it up when they were traveling to Eastwatch. He could offered his condolences and Jon could’ve been like:


I also think Sansa does want power, but not in the way Arya (and people who don’t like her) thinks. Every person that has ever hurt her used their knowledge and power over her to do so. She wants power for defensive reasons. 

I don’t think she’ll betray Jon or anything, but I believe she knows Jon won’t hurt her or use his power against her. But a small part of her is still like But what if? Take it just incase… just in case he does. 

I think that she is trying to understand why she wants it so much, and how she can work through that. 

I hate that they are trying to pit Arya and Sansa against each other just so it can be more “satisfying” I guess when they become closer, but it’s stupid.

Originally posted by yourreactiongifs

This or something like this is what should of happened:

A: “Why do you want it?”

S: “Want what?”

A: “Power.”

S: Starts getting annoyed and starts defending herself.

A: “What I mean is why do you feel like you need it? I don’t think you’ll take it from Jon, but I see that you want it.”

Then they talk, bond and be a united front and the showrunners should find another way to lead their story line to Littlefinger’s death (cuase we know that’s happening soon).

And another thing… Arya trained with the House of Black and White. Like really Littlefinger shouldn’t have pulled one over on Arya at least not so easily. *eye roll* Effin’ showrunners.

Originally posted by secretgardenblog

Okay, now that I’m done reblogging the shit out of Stark reunion posts, I want to commend the show for something.

I know I have been critical of GoT in the past, which I still am, but the show has done something right, and I can’t believe I’m typing this, but it has done something right by Bran, a character the show hasn’t cared much about or paid much attention to in the past, and as a result neither has it’s fans.

But by just a simple dialogue in the godswood, the growth of Bran’s character is shown, which again, great job by Isaac as usual, and Sophie and Maisie too in this case.

I wanted to talk just about the show, but minor spoilers from the books will be here too, and I’m probably going to be confusing and mixing up the story from the books and the show, so be warned.

So, we know from the first episode onward, Bran loves to climb the walls. He has that same spirit of adventure that Arya does, he wanted to be a knight when he grew up, and he had idolized heroes from the past and wanted to follow in their footsteps just as Sansa had. We learn later from Jon that they both wanted to go on an adventure together to the Wall, but all of it is taken away from him once he is pushed off the tower by Jaime.

That was his life, climbing, running around, adventure, and it’s very much evident in his attitude after the fall, especially when he says to Robb:

“I’d rather be dead.”

When Tyrion calls him a cripple, he denies it, because he refuses to believe it. He is ecstatic to go back to horse-riding with the specially constructed saddle, because to him, however small, it’s freedom, it’s an adventure.

The sacking of Winterfell might’ve been the reason he left home, but Jojen and Meera’s appearance and the promise, the hope, the wish to walk again, provided by the Three Eyed Crow | Raven, is why he ventured beyond the Wall.

In the books, he calls himself, Bran, the Broken, because he feels useless. It is the reason he starts relying on warging into Summer, because that way, he could walk again. The first thing he asks the Three Eyed Raven is, will he be able to walk again.

Bran is mostly unaware of the power he has, the importance he has, despite Jojen telling him otherwise. His mission, a personal, selfish one, had been to regain the ability to walk, and Bloodraven had lured him to his cave with that promise.

And despite the show not focusing on it past Season 4, and despite all the problems with his story on the show afterwards, we learn this episode, that Bran is no longer in denial about his disability. When he offers Arya the valerian steel dagger that could’ve killed him, she doesn’t want to take it, but he says:

“It’s wasted on a cripple.”

He has accepted his fate, because his inability to walk is nothing compared to the threat he knows is coming. I want to commend the show on focusing on that again, however minutely, because I think denial into acceptance is such a powerful thing to go through, especially to someone like Bran, it’s a very human feeling, and we might not have seen how he came to that acceptance, which I think was a mistake, and which I think should not be because of the White Walkers, because despite the threat, his acceptance of his disability should be personal, I hope that’s what happens in the books at any rate, but for the show to even focus on that again, however minutely, is I think remarkable, which is stupid, because I don’t think it should’ve been.

And once again all three young actors in that whole exchange were superb as they usually are.

Speaking of, all three of them have grown on this show, however less their screen time was, we know they’re all friends in real life. But as good of an actors as they were as kids, they have grown together as actors on the show as well.

For me personally their reunion, that whole scene in the godswood, was special for two very distinct reasons. First and foremost, Bran, Sansa and Arya together for the first time since the first episode, just brought on all the tears, because all of them have been through so much, and they deserved that. They’re not the same as before, but they’re back together, which is everything.

Secondly, as I said, Isaac, Sophie and Maisie have grown as actors, and for the three of them to not rely on anyone else, no other experienced actor to share their spotlight, to carry the scenes themselves, and deliver. It makes me proud of their ability, to have watched them grow into their talent, and that scene felt immensely satisfying and special as a viewer because of that.

And now because of that much focus on the Starks, ‘The Spoils of War’ had become my third favorite episode of the show, which I’m really surprised by, since the later seasons, post Season 3, and especially post Season 4 hadn’t really been my favorites. It now sits behind ‘Rains of Castemere’ at second, and the best episode of the show to date imo, ‘Winter is Coming’, the very first one.

I’m still not a fan of what they’re doing with Bran, and I hope that GRRM does him justice, and I have faith in him that he will, but let’s talk about the sendoff to Ellie Kendrick, which frankly sucked for such a talented actor. I get that she is no Diana Rigg or David Bradley, but c’mon, you barely used her post Season 4, like most actors involved with Bran’s story, which is just a grave injustice.

We could’ve had a Sansa and Meera scene together, talking about the journey, the struggle Meera went through after losing her brother, after killing him to protect him, in bringing Bran back home. Some Meera appreciation wouldn’t have been bad to see. And I get that they’re making Bran all zen and everything, but how hard was it to have Meera and Sansa talk in an episode where extra time to the episode wouldn’t have been a problem, because it is the shortest episode in the show’s history?

I knew this would be a problem when they decided to shorten the number of episodes from the last two seasons, because they’ve been just rushing along, with reunions, and first meetings, the pace of the show is all over the place, and it isn’t doing it any favors. There is no time for character growth, not really, the plot just needs to happen, and then we wrap it all up, which is just, ugh.

I want to end this veeery long post by adding, Meera deserved better, so did Jojen, Osha, Rickon, Summer, Shaggydog, the North, Loras, Margaery, Ellaria, Doran, and Dorne, as well as their actors, and D&D better not fuck with Jon, Arya, Sansa and Bran. Again.

Don’t you love it when people reblog your posts, and then block you so you can’t reply? Love it. *sarcasm*. Either way, I’m going to respond to this whether that user likes it or not. Heads up, a lot of text.

There are so many things wrong with post and I’ve seen it just a few times too many so I needed to react. (And disclaimer: I’m not a Jalsa ‘hater’; I don’t even know what Jalsa is so there.) 

You may not attack Jonsa, but so many people who are pro- Daenerys do, up to the point of calling us ‘delusional’, sending anon hate, and mocking them constantly. Just cause you don’t take part of it, doesn’t mean others don’t. So -yeah- I’m going ot have a problem with that.

“Dany tortured a child.” I presume you’re talking about the wineseller’s daughter here…? In that case, context is everything. What eventually happened to the wineseller’s daughter remains vague. Apart from that, torturing her was never Dany’s idea to start with. Throughout the series, we see her being protective of children and struggling with her ideas of motherhood. The idea to torture the wineseller’s daughter came from Shakaz. And when Dany thinks about the murder of her people - especially Rylona Rhee, a freed woman -, she agrees to Shakaz’s notion. I don’t condone that, I think it’s 100% wrong and I wish Dany acted differently here. But to take this action out of its context - a city besieged from within, while Dany tries to protect her people, amongst whom there are children as well! - in order to proof Dany is a Horrible Person is a strawman argument imo.

Well, I completely disagree with that meta linked. Context? You mean, ‘cool motive, still a war crime.’ I don’t give a shit what motivated Daenerys to torture a child. I don’t care that the city was under seige. Just cause it’s not ‘your idea’ doesn’t mean you don’t hold the power in that situation. Daenerys is a Queen. Shakaz is part of her council. Who holds the influence at the end of the day? Daenerys does. And it’s not ‘vague’ if you know what medieval torture was. Flaying, pulling out teeth, burning, snapping bones. Want a full list? Happy to provide one. I suppose the Wineseller’s daughters don’t count as Daenerys’ ‘people’. Her prior protection of people (and any “context” doesn’t make the wineseller’s daughters less tortured and brutalized. So it’s not a strawman argument at all. 

Is practically an imperialist.” Nope, I don’t agree with this, sorry. There are a lot of racial issues with Dany’s Slaver’s Bay storyline but I think these stem from problems with Martin’s writing rather than Dany’s characterization an sich. There are people who can talk about this way more eloquently than I can but in short I don’t think Dany’s an imperialist and/or has imperialist motives. This post is excellent in explaining why that’s so

I never once talked about the racial undertones of Slaver’s Bay. Never did. I called her an ‘imperalist’ in relation to her wanting to overtake Westeros and imposing herself as ruler of Meereen. I’m just going to quote from a meta I wrote

She uses military forces to take Meereen, Yunkai and Astapor. She’s not simply the Princess Of Dragonstone, but the Queen Of Meereen, a title which has nothing to do with Targaryen legacy, but she creating in some Slaver’s Bay Empire. She used the Unsullied and Second Sons to do so. What Daenerys did does fit the definition of imperalism. (…)

As for imperalism and it being justified, well- you are justified in getting rid of slavery. You are, however not justified in changing a culture to see how you feel fit, you are not justified to execute whoever you feel wronged by, you are not justified to torture children, you are not justified in bringing three weapons of mass destruction into a city with the intent of using them- even if they are your ‘children’. Imperalism gives an appeal- power goes to the mightiest and in the case of Daenerys, someone with more humanity than the slave masters. But it’s not that simple. Any imperalism comes fire, blood and destruction.


Critics of Daenerys do not just call her an imperalist in relation to Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen. It’s also about Westeros. The Targaryens lost their right to rule when they committed the atrocities under King Aerys II. Back to Aegon The Conquerer, the ‘conquered’ Westeros. But the Baratheons, under Robert- conquered the Targaryens. So it’s technically a Baratheon state. Daenerys wants to change that, and revert it back to the Targaryen way. Changing how things works, who is in charge and who sits on the throne is imperalism. She wants to bring imperalism to Westeros. Therefore, Daenerys is an imperalist and more importantly will continue to be so.

“Called Ned an usurper dog.” Well, eh, it’s kinda logical Dany would think that, no? Eddard was crucial in the downfall of House Targaryen. We, the readers, know Robert’s Rebellion was justified but in Dany’s mind - the mind of a girl who had to flee her homeland, grew up with Viserys and relied on his version of events of what happened when she was just a babe - Eddard is an usurper who contributed in the fall of her House, the murder of her family and the loss of her home. I think accepting what her father has done, acknowledging that dark part of her ancestry is and will be one of the driving forces of Dany’s arc and characterization in the series. She isn’t there yet; she’s still holding onto her idealized version of her family and history. That’s rather ignorant and wrong of her but c’mon, it’s understandable; it’s human. I really don’t understand how you (or anyone for that matter) can fault her for not looking favorable upon Eddard Stark. Why in the seven hells would she, considering she doesn’t know the whole truth about her father’s reign?

Her counsel includes Barristan Selmy, who tried to tell her differently that Ned advocated for her life. She chose to not listen. Next point.

“Dishes out ‘justice’ to the Grand Masters without trial.” Lol, somehow I find this one extra funny. I would totally agree with such a complaint, if we were talking about a real life situation with real life people. However, the world of ASoIaF is not real life; it’s fantasy. A fantasy world where the capital punishment is very much a thing, where the ruler of a city, city state, state, kingdom, et cetera rules supreme, where faux ‘trials’ are in vogue and where the murder of slaves is everyday business. That doesn’t mean you can’t be bothered by the fact Dany ordered the deaths of slave holders and traders but in that case, I would fully expect you to be just as bothered with Arya’s sense of justice, or Jon’s, or basically anyone in the series who kills ‘bad’ people without a trial first. Dany is the Breaker of Chains; she wants to destroy the slave trade and free the people of Slaver’s Bay. For me, especially in the context of ASoIaF, that’s a noble enough goal to justify killing the Grand Masters and it doesn’t make me like Dany any less.

You do know that the grand masters who were nailed to the cross were picked at random? Not by measure of atrocity, or their actions…. she just grouped them all together and at random, chose 163. It is totally not comparable to Arya Stark, a fierce warrior. In the books- she wants to know the names of the Freys responsible. She just doesn’t go on a rampage like Lady Stoneheart does and kill them all. Arya is very specific in who she wants to kill- Daenerys is not. 

“Can’t control her dragons for shit.” Okay, what. A) Literally NOBODY (or at least nobody Dany came in contact with) can at this point. NOBODY. B) Dany regularly reprimands herself for that very fact throughout the series. She even locks up Rhaegal and Viserion, who she considers to be her children* and who are her biggest weapons and the foundation of her power, in order to make sure the people are safe. She constantly berates herself for the murder of Hazea. *I think the fandom really underestimates this fact. The dragons are not just her ‘pets’, they are her children, her salvation, her means of going back home (the very thing she longs for most). C) May I remind you that it’s Quentyn Martell (the poor fool) who lets Rhaegal and Viserion escape at the end of ADwD? D) At the very end of her ADwD arc Dany is actually succeeding in taming Drogon. With only a whip. (Favorite chapter ever.)

Point being: she should have done it sooner. I do get what you are saying about the dragons being her children, but Hazea’s death could have been avoided if Drogon wasn’t roaming around that day. I don’t -hate- Daenerys because of it, I just find it careless on her part. 

6. & 7. I’m going to combine your last two arguments, because they boil down to the same thing: a leader under siege in the world of George R.R. Martin does things like to that in order to survive. A leaders threatens people. A leader takes hostages (hostages that are in Dany’s case well taken care of by the way). And Dany took the children hostage because she wanted to stop the killings. Wow, she’s such a Jerk. Amazing. I sincerely wish Dany didn’t have to do these things but it’s not like she was in a very comfortable, safe position when she made these decisions. Once again for the people in the back: context is everything.

Yes, war and seiges put leaders in a corner. Do they have to be children, though? Just cause she takes care of them well doesn’t change the fact that they are hostages. Just cause she won’t harm them (even though it’s been established she’d torture innocent people)

Accept that not everyone is going to like your ‘fav’. We have valid reasons, and you can’t just scream ‘sexism’.

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@crowsxng / any of your other blogs. YOU !! ARE !! LOVELY !! AND !! SO !! COOL !! ahhhhhhh, honestly I adore ya a lot fam 

@theredheadwildling MY MELLY, no list is complete without Melly, honestly I love her a lot. One of my first tumblr friends ever, and I’m so proud of her 

@bull-headed-gendry So new to my dash, but I’m enjoying our little thread so much, honestly yes, follow

@georgerrrmartin / @mrdavidbenioff / @danielbweiss all three of you lovelies, you give me some great broken fourth wall interactions, and honestly I adore it so much. Ya’ll do amazing. 

@mhysaoffire You’re so adorable tbh, a great joy to my dash, and honestly, love our little thread alright 

@keepfcith | @reekcd smol precious honestly omg. Such very different characters, but you pull them off so well, I am honestly just <3 yas

@aboyforthewatch a girl likes a boy and it surprised a mun. Hella fun to talk to, and just, honestly, love them so much already. I gotta reply to that starter 

@dovesofdeath / @wolfmonarch / @bird-dove-wolf All three of these lovelies play a sansa and honestly, yass. All three have a great Sansa, and in our little im space, dovesofdeath has shown a good strong Sansa, and honestly i like all these Sansa’s a lot but since I have limited @’s and many people, I put you all here. 

@hardertctame I think the only other Arya i’m following right now?? and honestly so quality?? Don’t know what you lot are doing here tbh when this lovely’s around- while I’m here shout out to every single Arya blog for picking a wonderful muse so that’s @needlcd @worshipsonlydeath @wildncss and all the others

@notaprincessaqueen / all your other blogs Literal yes. You play such different muses, and i love them all. I adore you on my dash, so many great characters

@princessbcrn and @outlawerofbeets I adore the younger two lannisters so much, and these two write them both so well? I adore their interpretations of the characters so much. Literal baes

@oftarth and @briennexftarth @neitherknightnorlady Honestly all the brienne’s. Everyone who writes Brienne has such love and respect for her character, and I adore that. All three of you are doing an amazing job.edit: @abloodywoman too!1

@davosshorthand or should I say Dadvos bc ur literally Davos? jk, but you capture him so well, and always a joy on my dash @onceasmuggler is also an incredible davos, and doing such a fantastic job. Honestly everyone does so good and i’m asjhiudf

@ashesri Arya might want to stab Petyr but I sure don’t wanna stab you bc WOW you write and respect his character so much, and I adore that. I really do. I’m honestly impressed by how much you love him

@dracaesanguinem absolute gem honeslty, adore her and her Dany. I love so many people’s muses tbh xD 

@ofgoldenwit Vi is amazing, and does such a great Tyrion, i’m starting to think Tyrion hacks their computer…

@thesellsword ngl probably the only Bronn i know of, but honestly they write Bronn so well, crack and canon are the same to me at this point, that’s how good they are. 

@flame-of-ostwick I might not know a thing about the dragon age fandom, or dragon age itself, but this lovely is wonderful and deserves all the love with their character

Lyanna is taller than Arya is.  Lyanna’s tall—very tall.  “Of course I am.  My father’s a bear.”

“Not an actual bear, stupid.”

“How would you know?”

“That’s not possible.”

“And people say that what you and Nymeria do is not possible.”

Arya rolls her eyes.  “That’s different.  That’s magical.  There’s nothing magical about your mother and—” she pauses.  She knows she has to phrase it delicately.  If they were back on Bear Island, that would be one thing.  No one cares if you’re ladylike on Bear Island, but they do in Winterfell, especially if you’re named Stark.  

Lyanna roars with laughter and throws an arm over Arya’s shoulder.  “If my mum fucked a bear, you mean?”

Across the room, Sansa stiffens and looks at the pair of them.  She’s got the same look in her eyes that Lady Catelyn has sometimes, whenever she disapproves.  But Lyanna Mormont doesn’t care and Arya looks between her friend and her sister and shrugs.  Sansa sighs and turns back to her sewing.

Arya glances out the window.

Lyanna laughs.

“We’d know if they were close.  Do you think anyone in this castle would be still?”

“No,” Arya says quickly.  “Everyone’d be rushing about.”  She wishes they were.  She wishes she weren’t in this stupid room with stupid needlework.  She wishes she were running about the keep, doing something useful the way she and Lyanna had done on Bear Island in Lady Maege’s hall.   The king is coming to Winterfell, surely there’s some way she can be useful.  But Robb hadn’t thought of anything for her to do, and Meera had her hands full with the twins, and Bran was at his lessons, and Rickon was still in Riverrun and had already met the King’s tour.  She shifts in her seat.

You’re a lady of sixteen now, not a girl, Arya Stark, she can practically hear Septa Mordane say.  Ladies don’t fidget.

Yes Septa.  Septa Mordane was three years dead, yet Arya still hears her words ringing in her head.   She picks up her needlework.  Don’t tell Sansa! She remembers Jon saying before he’d ridden North to the Wall and he’d handed her her needle.  Needle’s barely more than a child’s toy, too small for her hand now.  The calluses from her spear and sword on Bear Island are already fading.  Blacksmith’s hands.  

She hears a horn and her head snaps to the window again.  Sansa gets to her feet and sweeps across the room, her skirts billowing.  

“There!” Arya says, excitedly.

On the line of the horizon is a black banner with a red, three-headed dragon.

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Arya and Dany: The Mummer's Wolf and the Mummer's Dragon

I love the idea of Arya and Dany both having pretenders in Westeros claiming their names. Dany of course has Aegon, the mummer’s dragon who has already began his invasion of the Seven Kingdoms in the name of being the “one true dragon” of the near-extinct Targaryen dynasty. Arya has Jeyne Poole, a girl from her childhood that was forced into claiming the identity of Arya Stark in order to claim Winterfell and the north.

One of the pretenders has been raised his entire life as Rhaegar’s prince, taught that he is heir to Westeros and must rebuild the dynasty his “family” once had; in a time of war and discord in the Baratheon-Lannister crown, the people will be eager to accept the flashy young silver-haired boy as their savior-king, and (for a time) he will steal what is Dany’s by right of blood.

The other pretender was a girl who looked down on Arya her entire life, then, after a horrific turn of events, was forced to claim the name of Arya Stark in order to secure the Boltons’ hold on Winterfell and the north. With Jon and Stannis’ mutual respect, Stannis has sent Jeyne to Jon as a “gift.” Arya has been trying to get to Jon (and home) for five books now, and Jeyne Poole has already gotten one (to her detriment) and may well be getting the other.

Arya and Dany are constantly underestimated. They’re young girls in a brutal world, and young girls are thought little of. But where others have failed, they have succeeded through sweat, and blood, and tears. They’ve lost their parents, their brothers, their mentors and helpers, and subsequently been forced to walk their roads by nothing but their own determination.

Dany didn’t want to be a queen nor a conquerer, she wanted a childhood. She wanted the house with the red door. But she had a duty as heir to Viserys, and so she hatched the miracle of dragons into the world, left her husband and child behind, and forged a queendom whose reputation is starting to reverberate around the world. Her bonded beast, Drogon, is hell made flesh and a key to defeating the conflict she does not yet know about: the Others.

Arya did not want to be an assassin-in-training, but she had nowhere else to go. She lost Yoren, and Jaqen, Gendry, the Brotherhood, and the Hound, and when she reached for Jon, she came up short. The Faceless Men were her last resort, but they’re teaching her incomparable skills: languages, espionage, cunning, poisons, fighting in the dark, lying and the detection of it, killing. And all the while, her skinchanging skills are growing (the cat), and her bond with Nymeria is deeper than ever. Her direwolf and wolfpack will be a huge factor in the war against the Others.

Their homecomings have been a long time coming. All Dany has ever yearned for was a place to call home, the place her lost family lived in and ruled. And Arya, Winterfell and more specifically, Jon, have been her goals for five books now. Both girls are believed to be dead (Arya by the people who love her and the south, and Dany by the Westerosi and Meereenese), which is going to make their return to the Seven Kingdoms all the more powerful. As we’ve seen in A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter, Arya and Dany are gearing up to finally turn homeward-bound: first to cast out their pretenders (though Dany’s will be hands-on), and then to ride north with their armies to fight in the war in which ice and fire collide.

like-a-longo replied to your chat “jon: i bet you’d look gorgeous grasping at the sheets on my bed sansa:…”

I would love for Jon to be dropping the hints and Sansa to be clueless��

wouldn’t that be just adorable lmao?? i can especially see that happening if bran tells jon about his parentage and leaves it up to him if he wants to let arya and sansa know xD ofc he does want them to know but like?? he keeps forgetting everytime he sees sansa and keeps swkwardly flirting and sansa is just confused? xD

I’m so fed up of all the parallel gifs and posts of Sansa/Jon supposedly mirroring Catelyn/Ned. Aside from the fact Sansa is like ned and not her mum , why do we have to insist on a romantic parallel? When arya makes it to winterfell, which the leaks say she does, I want ned/cat parallels with arya/Sansa. Because we have the colouring parallels of arya/ned and Sansa/cat but then the nature parallels of arya/cat Sansa/ned and so I think it’s when the two sisters get together, the real ned and cat parallel, that shit will finally start getting together.
Also I wish the show would stop saying ned and Robb were stupid. And then also basically erasing Cat entirely.


Game of Thrones, S07E05 – part 9 /10

I know the 6th episode has been leaked but I haven’t watched it and avoided spoilers. So all my sentiments, opinions and speculations might all been taken down already but nevertheless. The last episode had so much food for thought and opinion-forming. I loved it.

Arya! I love you. I understand completley where you’re coming from. But how can you believe you’d be more clever than Littlefinger?

He obviously wants dispute between the sisters? Why? Does he want Arya to leave? To have time and space to manipulate Sansa?

I remember the relationship between Arya and Sansa.

SInce this happend nothing really changed:

Robert: : Now, child. Tell me what happened. Tell it all and tell it true. It’s a great crime to lie to a King. 

Sansa: I don’t know. I don’t remember. Everything happened so fast. I didn’t see. 

Arya: Liar ! Liar liar liar 

Sansa: : Arya ! 

Ned: Stop it ! That’s enough of that. 

Arya: Liar liar liar !

I am with Arya but this won’t work out well!