armored division

ask-showlover  asked:

why is it considered bad for a low-ranked guy to hang out with someone high-ranked?

You can see a longer answer I gave about fraternization a while back, but I can go into some more detail here as well!

The biggest issue the army has with different ranks hanging out is that it may indirectly or directly affect how soldiers are treated. Ideally, everyone should be treated equally under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. All soldiers have a superior to whom they answer. Punitive and rewarding actions should be based on the merit of the soldier, not the relationship between a soldier and their superior.

But if you’ve got a PFC getting buddy-buddy with their sergeant, maybe they get an early waiver for specialist, maybe they get a cushy admin job so they can hang out with the sergeant instead of working with all the other privates, and maybe that is based on their own merits or maybe the sergeant is just keen on the private. There’s no way to know for sure unless the army forbids the sergeant and the PFC from being buddy-buddy in the first place. 

This is often why you see a lot of soldiers getting a transfer shortly after a major promotion. A promotion from PFC to specialist isn’t that big a deal, but when you get from specialist to sergeant, suddenly you’re in charge of a bunch of lower-enlisted who used to be your buddies, and now you might start showing them favoritism or they might not properly respect you because they still see you as a peer. Thus, the army moves you to another platoon, company, or even battalion. Now all your new soldiers know about you is that you’re a sergeant, and they should treat you like one.

Of course, there’s always the alternate route of a superior being vindictive toward their subordinates. It’s pretty shitty for a rival peer to be promoted over you and for the bad blood between you to cause them to abuse their power.

While it is inappropriate for someone with a high rank to hang out with someone who’s a low rank no matter what the circumstances, or for an officer to hang out with NCOs, it’s not always strictly enforced between soldiers who are in completely different chain of commands to the point where they couldn’t possibly have any influence on each other.

Let’s take Fort Bliss as an example. Fort Bliss is a massive army post, the second largest we have, and as such it’s home to a number of unrelated units. 

Say you’ve got a captain from 2-43 ADA and a sergeant from 5-52 ADA. At first glance, they look dissimilar enough. They’re different units under different command and they may never even see each other. But they both fall under 11th Brigade, making them a little too close to have an interpersonal relationship. If the captain were promoted to major and then worked as a supply officer in 11th brigade, well, now all of a sudden the sergeant has a buddy at 11th who’s got some strings to pull. 

Contrast this if to a captain from 2-43 ADA and a sergeant from 2-13 CAV. The first one’s in Air Defense and the second one’s in 1st Armor Division. They’re two completely different parts of the army. They have almost nothing in common except that they’re both stationed at Fort Bliss. There’s almost no way the relationship could become leverage for the sergeant or become such that the captain can abuse their powder.

The reason it’s still inappropriate for them to fraternize even despite their vast differences is mostly just for the sake of appearances. As a soldier, we are representative of the army at all times. That’s why we aren’t supposed to grow our beards out on leave or wear off-the-wall clothing in public. People who know we’re soldiers see us doing that and think, “Huh, is that how the army acts nowadays?” So when people see a captain being friendly with a sergeant, they might get the wrong idea about how the chain of command is run. 

Naturally, a lot of people find this a silly reason to prevent people from being friends, so this is where you get into “technically not allowed but it depends on who cares” kind of scenario. 


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Pz.Kpfw.38(t) Ausf.F in the factory yard, summer, 1941

Pz.Kpfw.38(t) Ausf.S from a part of the 20th armored division

Pz.Kpfw.38(t) Ausf.G the mass and at the same time last modification of the tank

One of the tanks with tropical equipment

L. T. M. 38 from part of the 3rd light division. Like other tanks of this division, these machines are on the March were transported in trucks

Pz.Kpfw.38(t) Ausf.B of the 7th armored division in France. Visible boxes on the left side

Pz.Kpfw.38(t) Ausf.E of the 12th Panzer division. Smoke mortice aft was the characteristic feature of the tanks of this division

The tank is of the 19th Panzer division in autumn-winter 1941 near Moscow

Most “hung” version of the tank of the 20th Panzer division. Instead of cans on the shelves taking fascines, and for a tank trailer carries a fuel. Its design allows to power the motor straight from the barrel

Pz.Kpfw.38(t) Ausf.G 22 Panzer division in the Crimea