arab monarchies

anonymous asked:

Can yu compair the deomcracy of an arab state to jordans monarchy and say that monarchy doesnt eva work missess jewishpoltics. Thaks;)

Well I can’t think of a single “deocracy” in the Middle East, but if you mean Democracy,the only real, stable democracy in the area is Israel, And I’m not saying Jordan doesn’t have a stable government. I just don’t like the idea of a king deciding my life for me. That’s a little creepy. 

Jordan is a constitutional monarchy, meaning the king isn’t absolute. He’s also limited by what he can do. The parties and coalitions also play a role. Parliamentary systems just confuse me. It could also be stated that Jordan’s monarchy is not quite as stable as you might think. 

I also don’t like the idea of America somehow changing its system to become some kind of monarchy and the fact that people actually advocate for that non-sense bothers me to no end. 

And its not missess, it’s Captain. or Ma’am. 

Palestine has a long history. 

This is the area before it was named Palestine.

Note the divisions between the north and south.  Phoenicia spread almost till Caesarea.


This is Byzantine Palestine.

Note that it includes a significant chunk of Jordan and does not include Acco (Acre).


This is Arab Palestine

Overall, it continued the Byzantine division. 


This is Ottoman Palestine, AKA Ottoman Syria (when, I was told, Palestinian identity developed).

And after 1871 the districts were rearranged. 


In the 17th century, Fakhr-al-Din II conquered northern Palestine/southern Lebanon, and forced the Ottomans to recognize him as ruler of his state.


And then came the British, with that map we all know and love.

Sorry… this map we all know and love.  Transjordan was carved out in 1921.


And then we’ve got Greater Syria, which existed for a very short time in 1920.

Abdullah I of Jordan had been a proponent of Greater Syria under Hashemite rule, based on the original proposal for a Kingdom of Syria following the Arab Revolt. The Hashemite monarchy of Iraq was also believed to have harboured ambitions of union with Syria. The Ba'athist government of Hafez al-Assad in Syria also pursued the idea of Greater Syria, resulting in its involvement in the Lebanese Civil War and the Syrian Occupation of Lebanon.


On 15 May 1948, Jordan invaded Palestine together with other Arab states, and attacked Jerusalem.[29] Following the war, Jordan occupied the West Bank and on 24 April 1950 Jordan formally annexed these territories, an act that was regarded as illegal and void by the Arab League. At the Jericho Conferenceon 1 December 1948, 2,000 Palestinian delegates supported a resolution calling for “the unification of Palestine and Transjordan as a step toward full Arab unity”.[30] The move formed part of Jordan’s “Greater Syria Plan” expansionist policy,[31]and in response, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Syria joined Egypt in demanding Jordan’s expulsion from the Arab League.[32][33] A motion to expel Jordan from the League was prevented by the dissenting votes of Yemen and Iraq.[34] On 12 June 1950, the Arab League declared the annexation was a temporary, practical measure and that Jordan was holding the territory as a “trustee” pending a future settlement.[35][36]


I wonder how many Palestinians would support or oppose such a state today.   Kind of theoretical as Syria is falling apart and Jordan might not be here tomorrow (and if it were up to the pro-Palestinians, neither would Israel).  For all the talk of nationalism, Syrian and Jordanian national identities are quite new, and as it seems now, might not be here in a hundred years. 


Meanwhile, Jews defined “Land of Israel” differently (it does not match any of the borders shown above, nor those of the State of Israel) and had their own national identity which coalesced many, many years ago and was therefore independent of the land and of any specific borders.


National identity is closely tied with reality.  Borders define national identity just as much as national identity defines borders.  The State of Israel is not the same as the Land of Israel, and most Jews don’t really care.

We always dreamed of regaining our sovereignty in the Land of Israel and Jerusalem.   Nothing else really mattered.


Palestinians could have had that too.

The two states - Arab Palestine and Jewish Palestine (later renamed Israel)

But Palestinians preferred wiping out the Jews.

And so here we are. 

It’s not a question of whether Palestine has a history. It’s a question of whether Arabs will ever let Jews live in their own sovereign state in their own homeland.

So far, the answer we got in 1948 and 1967 was “no”.

The reason Palestinians don’t have their own state today is because they refuse to accept that such a state would mean the end of the conflict.  That is, they refuse to accept a sovereign Jewish state.