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we’ve known for a while that the real Fitz doesn’t like to be called “Leo,” and this episode implied proof for my theory as to why - it’s what his father called him.

listen, agents of shield is not a perfect show and i have not always loved it

but you cannot deny that it is always trying to be better

it doesn’t always succeed, but it is always trying to change and adapt and challenge the rest of the marvel movies and real world events 

cap is hydra in the comics? fuck you we’re literally never gonna stop talking about how hydra is full of nazis

us politics? fuck that we’re gonna pull the most famous phrases from this fuckshow of an administration into our dialogue for as many episodes as we can and you’re only gonna roll your eyes a little

whitewashing in other marvel properties? fuck you and fuck you again we have more diversity than all the marvel movies combined and two female woc lead characters, one of whom is a legit superhero and the other is nothing to sneeze at either

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Possibly my most favorite thing about What If… is that Jemma is so wholly, constantly aware that the Framework isn’t real. It’s not just that she keeps telling people, it’s in how she acts. Daisy kind of gets lost in her attempts to maintain her unexpected cover, but she’s still typical Daisy—to the point of moving to intervene when those three guys are beating up that Inhuman when they first enter the Triskelion.

Jemma, on the other hand? Jemma has no time for playing along with this fake world.

Exhibit A: her lack of social graces with Julia. To us, her “fascinating” and “you have dreams” are just typical Jemma, taking in details and being impressed with the Framework’s coding. Some random NPC has dreams and makes art? Amazing! But from an outside perspective, her words and tone are so freaking creepy. Like. Jemma, babe. Could you sound any more like a serial killer surprised to hear that her next victim is an actual human being?

But what really stands out is Exhibit B: her conversation with Burnell. Sure, the line “Hydra? They’re all Nazis” is great as a quote, but as an actual thing to say to an impressionable teenager living in what is, effectively, a police state? She encourages a defenseless kid to not only proclaim a very unpopular fact, but to spread it far and wide. It may be the truth, but Hydra does not like it and Burnell is gonna get himself seriously hurt—if not dead—by spreading it.

In the real world, you’d expect Jemma to take that into account. If things went nightmarishly wrong and Hydra won and SHIELD was just some kind of Resistance, she might say something along the lines of, “Yep, Hydra are 100% Nazis, but they’re also basically in charge right now, so maybe keep that fact to yourself and like-minded people you trust absolutely? Just….throwing it out there. Save fighting the propaganda machine for a time when you’re in a position to protect yourself from retaliation.”

But nope. This kid isn’t real. What does Jemma care if Burnell—who’s already shown himself to be pretty senselessly brave by actually tagging Jemma’s car with “Hydra lies” even though we’re shown like two seconds later that surveillance is EVERYWHERE, including this high school parking lot—gets himself killed shouting from the rooftops that Hydra are Nazis? He’s just a collection of code. It’s not an issue.

And the best part? It’s exactly what we should’ve expected. It’s just an extension of how she approached Aida—calling her “it” and always keeping in mind that she was an android, not a person. She, maybe more than anyone else, is super conscious of the difference between real and programmed, and she takes a very practical approach to all of this as a result.

It is SO JEMMA and I love it.

tl;dr: Jemma has no time for manners or for saving/protecting/acting as a good influence on the lives of these Framework NPCs…and it is GLORIOUS.

(I was gonna include her calling Ward a “psycho stalker” to his face, but lbr, she’d do that in the real world without a qualm.)

So the beautiful Hikaru reunites with Demora and Ben gif set has landed on my dash once again and as I was staring at it, I noticed something…

While Demora goes to run into Hikaru’s arms, I noticed something in Ben’s hand. It’s not really apparent until you see the scene where Hikaru lifts Demora up and holds her close:

(Also showing because LOOK AT BEN’S ADORING FACE OF LOVE AT HIS DAUGHTER AND HUSBAND.)

Right there, smack in the middle of the screen visually is this:

That is right, a stuffed toy in the shape of the Enterprise.

Such a small, cute domestic detail that one spouse holds the child’s toy as the kid goes to greet the other parent.

But also, not only does it speak volumes, I want to know everything about it. Demora is at a grown enough age as a child to have one of those objects that she brings around everywhere. And her’s is a stuffed ship. How does she play with it? Does she pretend to be captain? Does she imagine adventures of her dad being captain? Is the ship even named the Enterprise? Did Hikaru give it to her or is it something she wanted or something Ben gave her, I just… 

All the answers. Need. I need them.

About last night...

I’m currently crying because:

a) Jemma knew that Fitz needed a little time to himself to cool off so she gave it to him and then the second she entered the room after her cup of tea, he started spilling his guts.

b) At some point at the Academy, Fitz trusted Jemma enough to tell her all about his father and his abusive behaviour.

c) Without even trying they managed to solve yet another puzzle TOGETHER. TOGETHER THEY ARE UNSTOPPABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALWAYS WILLING TO LEARN FROM EACH OTHER.

d) They always seem to wait until they are really alone to be intimate and I find that fact adorable/on point? 

e) The way Fitz looked proudly at Jemma as he told Mack it was something she said that led to his eureka moment and she smiled back all sweetly.

f) BABY FITZ.

g) PROTECTIVE BADASS JEMMA.

If this episode has shown me anything...

It’s that Fitzsimmons is the crux of this pod.  Fitz is the key to getting out of the framework.  And Jemma is the key to getting through to Fitz.  What’s the one way to get me to care about the story as much as I do? PUT THESE TWO IN THE MIDDLE.

And that’s going to be painful. And yet, part of me thinks, it’s going to completely worth it it.

Signs of Fitz:  The over amping of anger that radiates off of Fitz.  The subtle shaking that Fitz displays as he’s listening to the facts coming from Radcliffe.  And the biggest one for me is actually coming from AIDA. The constant bouts of panic as Fitz hears the facts that she’s trying to repackage as lies.  You don’t think our smart Fitz is cataloging every single reaction?  Oh please.

Why give me a slow motion reaction cut of Fitzsimmons if not to highlight the anguish on Jemma’s face and the stare from Fitz?  Like, what other point is there to show how messed up this world is?

And don’t get me started on Daisy.  Queen of the ship who knows that if Fitz goes through with torturing her?  That’s a part that real Fitz will never forgive himself for.  And yet, he’s the key.  Something has to be the trigger next week.  And I get the sense that it’s going to be part Jemma and part something completely innocuous and yet totally Fitz.

Ugh…I need to know what happens.  And I need the story to turn.  My stomach churns and that is in part of the brilliance of the two LEADS in this story:  Iain and Elizabeth.  Thank goodness these two are portraying the forever love that is Fitzsimmons.

ok yeah I know, I’m supposed to be going to bed, but I’ve been ruminating on Fitz’s behavior during this episode & how it could pertain to what they’ll do to have him eventually remember Jemma.

first, he seems far more interested in the information that May brings him about a random infraction at some school than someone at his high level in Hydra should be. then, he’s oddly interested in Skye’s application to co-habit with Ward - as if, perhaps, he senses he’s missing that feeling himself. finally, AIDA refuses to let him see pictures of the surveillance of the infraction (Jemma), and he gets unnaturally upset about it. (as if his mind has been warped to believe that he’s upset because he wants to protect AIDA, but deep inside himself he knows he’s missing something else wildly important.)

also, a lot of us were laughing at the irony that Fitz finally gets to be The Doctor - but not in the way that he would ever want (or expect). and the show has a history of Doctor Who references.

so, Agents of SHIELD have already given us time and space-defying FitzSimmons - Amy x Rory - as well as diving into a portal with their own safety be damned - Rose x Ten (along with over half a dozen other DW parallels).

what if this time they give us Fitz as the Tenth Doctor/John Smith in “Human Nature”?

Oh, no, she’s just an invention. This character, Jemma. Jemma I call her.

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Leo Fitz and Grant Ward. Two men who couldn’t be more different but who, at the same time, are perfect mirrors for each other. Through the Framework, we are seeing the powerful impact the people around you can have on your life. 

In the real world, Fitz’s father is a bad man who abandoned him and Fitz actually became a better man without him. Conversely, in the Framework, Fitz’s father is a bad man and Fitz becomes one as well because of his father’s negative influence.

In the real world, Fitz loves Jemma and her love and support helps him solve problems, that love brings out the best in him. Conversely, in the Framework, Fitz is in a relationship with Madame Hydra, who proclaims her love for him like he is an object, like he is something she owns, and her influence over him causes him to kill an innocent woman just to prove that he is not the man Radcliffe thought he was.

In the real world, Ward’s parents are bad people, but Garrett is arguably worse, and Ward becomes a double agent who obeys even the most heinous of orders because of Garrett’s influence.  Conversely, in the Framework, Ward’s parents are still bad people, but this time, he meets Victoria Hand and still becomes a double agent but for the good side where he fights injustice because of Hand’s positive influence.

In the real world, Ward has feelings for Skye but he is told over and over again that it’s a weakness, that it’s something to be ashamed of, and so he ultimately loses her because he doesn’t understand how to love someone in a healthy way. Conversely, in the Framework, Ward is in a long-term relationship with Skye, whose love for him makes him believe that he can be a good man, and as a result, that is exactly what he becomes, even volunteering to sacrifice himself so that Daisy can escape the Framework. 

This is so important. This shows us that there is no such thing as an absolute good or absolute evil. It is our actions that dictate which one we are, but it’s the people in our lives who influence those actions. We learn from each other. We change and grow because of the people in our lives. Good people make us better and bad people drag us down. 

Sometimes that’s all it takes to make a hero in one world and a villain in another. 

anonymous asked:

Okay I'm totally going to need you to convince me how this is going to be okay because right now I actually feel pretty sick. I don't see how they have enough time once they leave the framework for Fitz to deal with this trauma. Fitz has killed a woman now, even if he wasn't aware he was doing it. And if he tortures Daisy, I just don't think I can watch that. To come out and have their happy engagement would be wrong and rushed. When do they get to heal? Where is the payoff???

Hi Anon!  And anyone else who needs this…

Its Going to be Okay!

This story isn’t supposed to be happy or fun, we are in a reality built by a crazy, evil book influenced, programmed by the questionable Dr. Radcliffe, and obsessed with becoming a real girl AIDA here.  She has twisted each and every single character.  Fitz and May more than anyone else. 

I’m just going to run down my major points here.  I hope it helps.  Again I am not ashamed to say that I am still enjoying this arc.  Its uncomfortable and frustrating as all get out.  But it has me rooting SO HARD for Fitzsimmons right now.  For the entire team right now. 

Fitz partly a distraction:

We all know that something the writers do is the fake out.   They have us looking at and focused on one thing so we literally don’t see the truck that is coming at us from left field.   Season 2 for example.  When Real Shield made their move it looked like they were our big bad of the season, that would be the arc.  When in fact it was Jaiying and the Inhumans that were the bigger threat.  So right now they have the fandom so wrapped up in Fitz….that we are ‘missing’ that thing over in left field about to hit us.  A betrayal is coming guys and its going to hurt.

Fitz has been brainwashed:

This is not our Fitz.  Period.  Iain said at Wondercon that they were two different people.  Two different characters.  Radcliffe said when talking to him, he talked about our Fitz as a different person, because he was.   We saw over and over throughout the episode AIDA manipulate him.  I see things like taking his hand, asking for him to protect her, of vocalizing they are trying to take him from her as the triggers.  You know how we know he’s been brainwashed…how down right TERRIFIED AIDA was of Radcliffe talking to him.  That Jemma was taken out of the picture even before she could be a factor in his life.  That AIDA boasted that she had manipulated this world and those in it to meet her needs and wants.  Yes, she fixed a regret but each regret built on her fantasy.

With Fitz this goes well beyond fixing a regret.  I still believe that initially making him the son his father wanted was just step one in AIDA’s process.  AIDA took him as her own. 

Everyone is Dark:

We’re not done yet here guys.  We have more oh please no moment coming with everyone coming.   And yes, Fitz is one of the most drastically different and one they are making sure to highlight but I am uncomfortable with everyone.

  • Coulson:  Yes he’s breaking thanks to Tahiti but he still let Hydra take off with one of his own students.  The big reason I think we have Coulson back is he is getting that “you did make a difference/Shield needs you arc here”.   Mace is not the leader that Shield needs…he wasn’t in the real world and he won’t be here. 
  • Mace:  I am really worried about this version of Mace.   While he is doing the right thing I’m afraid he’s going to do some things in that quest that aren’t good.  Not to mention that he is a massive threat to the lives of May and Fitz.  He will kill either one of them given a chance.  He almost reminds me of Jaiying a little here with the “One of us” comment from the promo especially makes me thing of this.
  • Mack:  He will do ANYTHING to protect his daughter (and low key worried how he found the Resistance so easily here guys).  He sold out Daisy.  But what was very interesting was his view on Inhumans.  When we first met Mack he was ‘against’ them for lack of a better word.  It was work with Daisy, Coulson, and Shield that helped him change his mind and become one of their greatest protectors.
  • May:  Has been twisted as much as Fitz has.  She has been in there the longest.  Gone through the most ‘reboots’ of the Framework.  It was her team that beat up Daisy.  It was her that manipulated Mack using Hope. She is number 3 in Hydra and is a huge threat to her own team as well as a target.
  • Ward:  So leery of Ward.  I really fear Jemma will be who he betrays again.  And its also interesting he could have gotten a shot on Madame Hydra there…#1….instead aimed for Fitz Hydras #2.  Just saying guys…our master manipulators might be at work again here.  For him if it comes down to giving up Jemma to save Skye…he’s going to give up Jemma to save Skye.  Just as Mack gave up Daisy to save Hope.


They are their own worst enemies: 

AIDA is likely the worst villain they have gone up against, a horrid culmination of everyone they have faced before.  She isn’t dumb she built this world for HER.  She is using loopholes to her advantage.  Otherwise I firmly feel that everyone but Fitz would already be dead.  So since she had to keep them alive she manipulated (even bragged to Radcliffe that she’d done it) those regrets for her gain.

She also has been in everyone’s heads.  She’s been around the team before. She knows they are the biggest threat to her when they are working together as a team.   So she either split them up or turned them on each other. 

She has also made them each others dragons.  It is clear now AIDA is in Madame Hydra.  She knows right where Mace and the Playground is but allows the Resistance to continue because it feeds into the manipulation.  Especially with Fitz, its another thing he has to protect her from.

I discussed in my meta last night that AIDA seems to be trying to make it so the team won’t ‘want’ to save Fitz (more lies, more manipulation).   Here he’s The Doctor, Mace won’t bat and eye if he can kill him  Isn’t going to give Jemma the resources she needs to get him alive.  AIDA has painted Jemma as the villain.  Leaving Jemma pretty much alone now in trying to save him (oh look another parallel).  She has Coulson for now but I’m betting he will be pulled away too soon by saving Daisy or getting to May.

She took Fitz as her own:

A lot of what AIDA has done was to build this world how she wanted.  To get who and what she wanted, and she wanted Fitz.  Someone who would love and protect her.  Made her happy.  Her interaction with Radcliffe very telling.  We said that Fitz treating her like a person would come back…and boy has it ever.  She also wanted someone that loved and protected her like Fitz did with Jemma…so she took Jemma’s place.  May too, she’s ‘rewarded’ May with a high position because I believe May respected her, liked her, called her brave.

But in taking Fitz in so many ways we really do have an epic love story set up here.   Jemma is going to have to fight to get him back.  I feel like part of that whole spectacle on the island with Agnes was for show.  That AIDA knew Jemma was there  set up that whole thing with Agnes so Fitz would see it.  Try to shake Jemma, make her think that he was too far gone,.  It also took away the little support Jemma had found.  Leaving her alone in trying to save him.  AIDA is scared as heck of Jemma and her saving him.

AIDA also doesn’t have him fully yet.   Fitz says he would cross the universe for her but he HAS done it for Jemma.

Fitz is in there:

In the horror of feels that was last night we saw Fitz peeking through more than once.  And every single time we saw it it was because Jemma was in the mix either in person or in a picture.  And only with Jemma, May, Daisy, and Radcliffe had no effect (though Radcliffe planted seeds, very important seeds). 

Originally posted by stydiaislove

Aside for Coulson who is aided by Tahiti we haven’t seen anyone else ‘break through” at all. 

  • May:  Came into contact with Fitz, Daisy, and Mack…nothing. 
  • Mace:  Came into contact with Jemma, Mack, and Coulson…nothing.
  • Mack:  Came into contact with Daisy, May, Mace, and Coulson…nothing.

Engagement is Endgame:

When we look back at interviews from Loeb, Jed, and Mo they have been hinting at this arc all season.  And they have been setting up an engagement for Fitzsimmons all season too. 

“This young man as you have never seen him before” that was what Leob said at SDCC and also where we first heard the ‘reward’ talk.  And we have seen them pay off everything so far. And coupled with the timing of Jed’s quote in EW, engagement coming up in 15, hints all season, and getting their middle names.  I think once they are out they aren’t going to risk it again.

“It could happen.  If they ever get back together, that’s something that could happen in their future.”

And I’m sorry to say this but this is TV, A drama at that, we have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get this kind of pay off.  That is part of why we are now tearing our hair out and crying until Jemma gets him back.  And when she does the pay off will be worth it.  Look at what we got after Hogface.

The Fallout:

AOS has never ‘dealt’ with trauma and recovery very well.  Even Daisy’s recovery a victim of the Ghost Rider Arc.  It is often done over hiatus or “off camera.  Now we have a situation where its the whole cast that will have things to deal with.  So yes, we will miss seeing it but because we don’t see it doesn’t mean it won’t happen. 

We can also have the healing ‘begin’ in the Framework, especially for Fitz as he helps get everyone out or plays a part in stopping AIDA once as for all. 


Sorry that was a lot but I hope it helps.  Just remember its always Darkest before the Dawn and our Sunrise is coming guys.

Originally posted by mrsdecaestecker

OKAY BUT

What if next week’s episode opened with a dream sequence, in which Fitz was remembering things he shouldn’t even know, in particular the parallels between Jemma’s scream in the last episode and the all-important bottom of the ocean scene. He sees those screams one after the other, and then a rapid-fire montage of memory with scraps of dialogue featuring some of their biggest lines.

“I’m not leaving you, that’s ridiculous! We need a new plan!” / “We’re not discussing it Jemma. You’re taking it, end of story.”

“Why would you make me do this? You’re my best friend in the world!” / “You’re more than that, Jemma. And I couldn’t find the courage to tell you. So please, let me show you.”

“You’ll be careful.”

“There’s nothing to discuss, Jemma.” / “Maybe there is.”

“Quite a strange feeling, isn’t it? Never wanting to be without someone?”

“And you dove through a hole in the universe for me!”

“It’s been ten years.”

“You became the most open, loyal, caring person I’ve ever met.” / “It’s why I fell in love with you! Who you really are; that’s not programming! It’s something way beyond that!”

And he has no context for any of these scenes but he can see them vividly and it has him waking up in a cold sweat and a blind panic. He gets up in the middle of the night, goes to where Radcliffe is being kept and makes a demand.

“Tell me about Jemma Simmons. Tell me everything.”

I honestly still cry about this smile. It was probably the first time he had smiled in MONTHS and he looks like such a little boy with pure joy on his face because Jemma is back and safe. After months of being terrified, feeling so alone, not knowing if she was alive or in pain, and he can FINALLY wrap his arms around her and know for certain that she’s safe. It also makes me laugh because I feel like there’s a little bit of “I told you so” impishness there too because he did what everyone kept telling him was impossible. MY BOY. Iain does SO MUCH with one look. :’)

Number One Reason why I am Emotional™ about the FitzSimmons sneak peek is that Jemma is really really distressed which a) shows trauma as well as fear because she doesn’t often panic like that even under threat of death, and b) brings her close to a panic attack and then Fitz - who has had at least one near-incapacitating panic attack before - brings her out of it even though he is also clearly scared bc they’re surrounded by murderbots

it’s a mix of trauma recognition we’ve rarely seen AND love & comfort which there’s always room for more of, and basically I’m dead

my one comforting thought for the night (before I slink off to bed and take a sleeping pill) is that the show has probably really wanted either Fitz or Simmons to be a villain for years, but couldn’t figure out a way to do it in character

so - abused, brainwashed, and manipulated alternate universe Fitz is what we got instead

The thing I am loving most about the Framework arc is how it shows very blatantly that no one is inherently good. Radcliffe says point blank that under the right circumstances, people are capable of anything and that concept is so clear when you look at most of our main characters and the people they became in the Framework.

Framework Skye is a Hydra agent who willingly works for people who imprison and experiment on Inhumans and is even called an asset by Framework Fitz. When she first gets to the Triskelion and sees those agents beating an Inhuman, she steps towards them as if to help, but Ward tells her they don’t need any help, “they” being the agents. Which means that Framework Skye is the kind of person who would have stepped in to help beat that defenseless Inhuman. 

Framework May is Hydra agent who throws herself into the cause to make up for her own guilt over the Cambridge incident. She is ruthless and makes it her job to break people and has no qualms about separating a man from his young daughter. She doesn’t even flinch when she orders agents to beat Daisy, who she sees as Framework Skye, a woman she worked with for many years.  

Framework Fitz is head Hydra and has become a cold, violent man under the guidance of his father. He sees Inhumans as something to be eradicated, not as people, but as a plague. He kills a woman in cold blood just to prove a point. 

Framework Coulson is a mild-mannered teacher who teaches lies to his students and doesn’t do anything when they are taken away by Hydra. He suspects that Hydra is lying but is ultimately content to live his life quietly. 

Framework Mack is an ordinary dad who tricks a stranger and allows her to be tortured in order to prevent his daughter from coming to any harm. 

Out of all the characters here, Framework Fitz is the most objectively bad. But everyone else still does bad things even if it’s just to protect themselves. And that is so much more important - that inaction does not equal innocence. That being complicit is also bad. 

Just because you don’t pull the trigger yourself doesn’t mean there’s no blood on your hands. 

But what this arc also shows us is that being good or being bad is not an absolute. Framework Coulson, May, and Mack all have changes of heart and eventually do the right thing, whether it’s saving a student, not personally killing the Patriot, or joining the Resistance. And that doesn’t excuse or wipe away their earlier actions, but it still matters. This is what matters - when you realize you’ve done something bad, something wrong, do you continue down that path or do you change course and try to be better?

Framework Ward is proof of this - he is still a double agent, he was still imprisoned for arson as a teenager, but he also made conscious decisions to do good, to do the right thing moving forward. 

Being good or bad is not a fixed state of being, it’s not a checklist of attributes that you have to meet. It’s a spectrum, and every single day, the choices you make pull you in each direction. 

You do not become a good person when you do one good thing. You do not become a bad person when you do one bad thing. You become a bad person when you stop trying to be good. 

Its Going to be Okay

I was about to go in and work on asks (again if you’ve sent one there are a lot in there and I’ll get to them all but it will definitely take me a few more days).  But I just want to take a moment and hopefully offer a bit of stress release to the fandom.  

Tuesday everything literally got turned upside down on us as the C Arc turned into AO3 come to life.  They surprised me (Which isn’t easy to do), did things we didn’t want to see, and then totally changed the playing field on us.  Some are excited by the twist while others are devastated.  As usual the source of that is mostly Fitzsimmons. 

We’re here guys.  The Fitznapping, Role Reversal, and Woman on Fire I’ve been predicting since last season is here.  Just not how I though it would be.  The writers did it and turned it on its head.  I said they would do something that would have us freaking the hades out over hiatus and boy did they ever.

With this meta I’m going to break a few things down and offer some hope.  But we still have to prepare for more twists that are going to hurt.  

What will Fitz be like in the Framework?

  • What we know:  He’s seemingly rich and holding his hand out to a woman in the car.  He’s got either minions or bodyguards with him as well.  
  • What we suspect his regret AIDA fixed is:  His father.  If it was something to do with his relationship with Jemma they would not have put the Papa Fitz stuff on the table.  So in this world…AIDA will have given him a father and a supportive one at that.
  • In essence part of how we see Fitz will be if he had a father figure at the very least  He had someone either nurturing his genius/guiding it.  Or he never got into science and is more on the business side of things.  
    • We had lots of fun trying to find the perfect actor for Papa Fitz.  And boy did we find some fun options.  But you know, he’s been here all long.  Radcliffe.  
    • Radcliffe built a utopia…his happily ever after is in there too.  He sees Fitz as the son he never had, wants him working with him, appreciated his talents, and encouraged him.   “I’m not going to let this come between us”.  Bonus the way he touched him when talking about the Framework with AIDA, it was paternal.  
    • Fitz said he saw Radcliffe as a father figure.
    • So that has been fixed now.  Both for the ‘benefit’ of Fitz and Radcliffe.  AIDA makes Radcliffe Fitz’s father in here.   Be it she rewrote history, or lets say the Glasgow mission saved FItz’s Parents…without it they die and Radcliffe adopted him/took him in.   (That serial killer board showed us just how much Coulson has done.  He is patient zero in all this.  Him not joining Shield is what made the biggest wave).  
    • Having the father figure in his life be it Radcliffe or Papa Fitz is one of the things that likely changed FItz’s trajectory the most.  And there is a good chance he never went into the Academy or if he did he was pulled away/into Hydra.  In that case he never met Jemma or knows her in a different way (we’ll get into that later). 
  • I know a big fear will lie in Fitz’s personality really being different. And yes he will be, he’s in a world where he doesn’t have the experiences we have seen shape him.  The Fitz we had now isn’t the Fitz we had in the pilot.  Who he REALLY is is still there.  He is who he is because its who he is, its not is programming (that conversation with Jemma was huge and is going to be the crux of all this).  He’s a good person, who is loving, brave, and loyal.  However, until he remembers we could see a change.  And that’s okay, it will be fun to see Iain strech his legs a big.
    • He could be Evil:  Robo Fitz gave me chills.  Just legit chills.  So we could see a bit of Hydra Super Villain Mad Scientist Fitz here.  
    • He could be an a**:  He is this world version of Quinn or even a bit of Stark  He knows he’s smart, he knows he’s rich, he’s entitled, and manipulative.  Pretty much everything our Fitz is not.  
    • He is himself…but with a twist:   He’s the Fitz we know…but a bit more confident.  Or they have twisted his loyalty and convictions from loyalty to Shield…to Hydra and his father figure.  Remember Garrett said if Fitz joined Hydra in the fall, he’d hold a high rank and that would no doubt come with the kind of trappings we saw him with at the end.  
    • No matter what….Jemma will eventually get through to him.  Its not going to be easy, Jed said it won’t be easy, but she’ll do it eventually.  

Where is Jemma in the Framework:

  • She is NOT in the grave.  Had she projected herself into a dead body she would have died instantly.   Jemma said her Avatar was “running around” in the framework.  A dead body doesn’t do that, this isn’t Walking Dead.  
  • She is NOT on Maveth.  
    • We don’t have time for this.  Period.
    • Jemma is the one who is going to get Fitz to “wake up” and she can’t do that from Maveth.
    • The circumstances that landed her on Maveth in the first place will not have happened because Coulson never joined Shield and I have a hunch things are going very differently with the Inhumans in here.  
    • No writer in their right mind would open that can of worms with us again.  They have been distancing themselves from that story like the plague.  
    • This story is about Jemma getting Fitz back, not him realizing she’s gone and somehow figuring out he needs to get Harold, and its nto going to be Jemma getting off Hell planet and THEN joining the party.
    • Maveth is another world.  The Framework is one work in its own right.
  • Jemma as never scanned so where her Avatar is (like Daisy) is a result of what AIDA did with Fitz, Coulson, May, and Mack.  Now May and Mack won’t have been as big of factor as where Jemma landed.  That is more “I never joined Shield Coulson” and Fitz.  
    • Yes, we could get the he never went to the Academy and therefore they never met.  Plus side we get to see him fall in love with her again.  
    • We could get they are rivals, and look at that enemies to lovers.
  • Jed said that everything in “our world” is in there somehow.  Case in point Ward.  That also means things like Shield (who in an Upside down world would be what Hydra was, lurking and limping along in the shadows), Real Shield (Bobbi, Izzy, Gonzales, and Weaver), Mike/Deathlock, Afterlife (but look for it to have been captured or fallen we can’t get Jaiying, Lincoln, and Raina back).   
    • What if Jemma in this world IS a Double Agent for Shield.  Working within Hydra to steal secrets and take it down.  
  • She’s not JEMMA anymore…she is someone else.

The Grave:

  • Its the back door Jemma was talking about.
  • It does indeed belong to Jemma Anne Simmons and her death has been faked for some reason.  Be it by Fitzsimmons, Hydra, Shield, or Radcliffe.  But like Coulson and Fury’s, its an empty grave.
    • It says “Loving Friend” on it so someone was close to her in this world to put that there.  And it has to be SOMEONE who was scanned.  May, Coulson, Mace, Mack, and Fitz.    
    • This gives rise to Double Agent Jemma.  “Jemma Simmons” in this world is indeed dead and Jemma’s avatar is going by a new name and identity.
    • Jed said that Fitz didn’t seem too phased about her being in the grave.  So that either means that He wasn’t close to her here to have it have an impact…or he knows she’s not in there.

The Hand:

  • They hid who it belonged to for a reason.   But in looking at the positive side of things they gave us Ward…..so why would they give us Ward and not continue the massacre on our feelings and have some Rando step out with Fitz.  Because they could have done what they did with the hand with ward.  Had Daisy coming out of the bathroom and sees the figure laying in bed…cut away.  Leaving the fandom thinking its Lincoln ALL hiatus and then come back in 16 with SURPRISE!   It wasn’t Lincoln.
    • So in not showing us the hand and confirmring it wasn’t Jemmas it build the suspense and often times our imagination or worst case are far worse than what happens.  So all hiatus they leave us fearing who is coming out of the car next.  
  • Okay so yes, Jed confirmed the hand isn’t Jemma…he said JEMMA.   But…if Jemma Simmons is “dead” her Avatar won’t be going by Jemma will she?  She’ll have a new name/cover so while Jemma might not be coming out of that car next….Lil and her Framework counterpart very well could be.  Jemma here could be a double agent either spying on, protecting, or trying to get to Fitz.  Or is a version of her Radcliffe wanted for his ‘son’.  
    • Another option is that when Jemma “died” in this world Fitz went all Radcliffe on us and created Robo Jemma.  So like Agnes is to AIDA…Jemma’s new counterpart would have a different name.  
  • However we do have to consider other options for that Hand too.
    • AIDA/Agnes:  But not romantically.  Rather if Radcliffe is his father either one could be his “step mother”.  Despite the butterfly effect its hard to get to a point where Fitz meets AIDA on his own.  
    • Bobbi:  She’s undercover in Hydra too, Fitz is her target or she is his bodyguard.  Again NOT romantic.
    • Rando assistant:  So its his version of Anon or AIDA and its not romantic at all.  
    • Rando Girlfriend:  Yes it has to be on the table.  I’m sorry but it does.  I don’t like it.  It don’t want it.  But it has to be there.  It makes me mad as all get out that we have to deal with another form of a love triangle.  Again I feel if it was this option they would have hit us with a truck with it already and really left us in shambles.  IF they do this to us remember….
      • ITS NOT REAL and as soon as Fitz wakes up its all Jemma all the time.  
      • The Jemma Fitz loves is not in the picture.  So he’s not cheating on her or anything like.
      • When Fitz comes out of the Framework Fitz will recognize it was that, in the Framework.  It will not change his feeling for Jemma at all.  “Theirs is a forever love”.  
      • Jemma comes into his life and we get to see her have him fall in love with her all over again.
    • If AIDA has inserted herself in here as Fitz’s Girlfriend is more of a Dragon guarding its treasure.  Its allowing her to keep an eye on him.   Its not because she loves him.  .  

Other points:

  • Jemma needs to get close to Fitz, she needs to be in the mix or in a position where she can do that and start to work on him.  So she can’t be completely off the map here  Get him to wake up.  Get him to want to leave the Framework.  And its not just Fitz she and Daisy have to do this with.  Its May, Coulson, Mack and Mace too.   All the while surviving whatever the crap is going on in that world.  AIDA didn’t program the story, she just changed it at a certain point ans is going from there.  So its a true What If AU.  
    • AIDA allowed x factors in the mix like Ward….this Ward is based off of Coulson, May, Fitz, and even a little bit of Mack.  And is still ‘alive’ here thanks to someone’s regret fix.  
    • This is Ward we are talking about…kind of AOS plot twists.
  • The trick isn’t going to be really finding everyone, its going to be convincing them to ‘come home”.  Convincing them this isn’t real. 
  • Both Radcliffe and AIDA who built the Framework in the first place know how much Fitzsimmons mean to each other.  As does EVERY SINGLE PERSON they scanned in there. 
  • We can’t forget even once they get them to want to come out its Radcliffe who knows where they are and how to do it safely.  RADCLIFFE is the one they have to get to tell them.  And we know he’s pretty dang happy in there, especially if we are right about Fitz.  He’s got his son, powers, Agnes, and no fear of death.  Let me tell you @jessiecrimefighter and I just came up with another one of those really awful ideas.  But in the End its Radcliffe who has to be willing to let them go and die to save them all.  

Fitzsimmons:

We have and endgame here guys.  In the gut punch of what we had please don’t lose site of that.  This is TV so we have to suffer before we get these moments.  

  • We endured the hell of Maveth and were rewarded with them becoming Canon and The Singularity.
  • We endured the so close yet so far of A and were rewarded with Sciencing Domestic Fitzsimmons through B (and really we had to know something was coming with all that good).  

Just like in Season three where they set up Perthshire/Jemma pictured them together, that they both loved each other.  It became of matter of getting there.  The bump them was Will, them getting kidnapped, Fitz going to Maveth, and its aftermath.  And we are there again only this time its better.  Its Marriage.   Robo Fitz with the wedding talk was like Fitz watching Jemma’s videos.   A huge “oh my you want that” moment without the other directly saying it.  

Fitz wants to propose, he wants them to get married and grow old together.


Jemma WILL say yes, and she will say yes as soon as she gets him back.

There is NO Universe where FItz doesn’t want to Marry You.

Their’s is a forever love.

THEY WILL MAKE IT BACK TOGETHER….and out pay off at the very least is them engaged if not a wedding.   

Many of us wanted a Woman on Fire Fitznapping…well we got it.  And I said to remind me I wanted it when it was here and not how I pictured it to be.  So that is what I am doing.  

I would also like to point out that the person who has nearly pulled them apart the most is in the mix.   Ward.  Boy do I have some fun theories for him but those are for after the ask box isn’t overflowing.  Especially thanks to Jed’s newest quote.  

I know my meta won’t stop someone from stopping the show if they are upset about the turn.  I know it doesn’t change canon.  I know it doesn’t change we are going to have to suffer a little bit.   What I’m hoping I get across is that the suffering will be worth it.  That we need to stay positive and stay together with this.  Fitzsimmons will be fine, we have that diamond ring just waiting at the end of this.   So hang in there guys.  But in my gut I do believe there are FAR more interssting stories to tell vs just throwing a Rando GF in the mix.  

The Framework is full of love and loss.  Seeing who you really are.  That our experiences help shape us but they don’t define us.  

Current Framework! headcannons, feel free to add on:

  • Fitz goes by Leo because his father never walked out on them
  • Daisy still goes by Skye (not by choice but because it’s not her world they’re living in)
  • Jemma isn’t actually dead
  • November 5th is important - she faked her death or the Framework!Jemma did die but Real!Jemma is okay having just been inserted into the world
  • Fitzsimons have never met in this universe
  • Huntingbird will be recruited to help save the day (the lone agents of SHIELD who remain) - also they’re still married
  • May went to HYDRA because she didn’t have Coulson to keep her in SHIELD
  • The hand that Fitz is helping out of the car is AIDA who has inserted herself into the world remotely
  • Simmons is gonna get her heart broken seeing Fitz with someone else but she’ll be even more determined to save him
  • Daisy and Simmons find Huntingbird (the #resistance) and recruit Trip and maybe Lincoln to help and they save the day
  • Meanwhile, Fitz is falling for Simmons again but she keeps pushing him away because she’s hurt and she knows that he’s not her Fitz, but an alternate reality one
4

One person in your life, one decision, one sentence has the power to change you forever.

That’s not a weakness, is it? 

This is it. This is that one sentence, that one word that changes the entire course of Grant Ward’s life. Weakness

This is the person a man becomes when he spends his formative years hearing that love is weakness, when he is recruited into a line of work where weakness means death, when he grows up treated as a weapon whose purpose is to be used, when he doesn’t meet people who truly care about him until it’s too late. 

John Garrett was the one who taught Ward that love is weakness, but Phil Coulson and the rest of the team are the ones who reinforced that. Because despite everything he had been told, Ward did develop genuine feelings for his team. But they couldn’t forgive him, they couldn’t see his pain through their own, so they imprisoned him and used him and sent him to his brother, another man who hurt him. And in doing so, they proved Garrett’s point. That nothing good ever comes out of love, that it only causes pain, that it is a weakness.

Yes, Ward hurt people, yes, he hurt others because he was hurt. And no, it may not have been the sole responsibility of the people he hurt to try to help him. But the fact that they turned their back on him when he needed it the most did, without a doubt, have an impact on the man he ultimately became. 

The way we treat others matters. The way we treat others is important. How can you learn to be good if you only know cruelty? How can you learn to be good if no one shows you the way? 

This is basic human decency. This is basic empathy. 

If you have the power to change someone’s life for the better, if you have the choice between helping someone and hurting them even more, and you choose to hurt them, then what happens to that person is on you. If you have the opportunity to make someone’s life better by being a positive influence, and you not only refuse, but you actually choose to make that person’s life worse, then you are no better. 

You don’t get to turn your back on someone and then get angry when they turn into someone you don’t like. You don’t get to abandon someone because you think they’re beyond saving, and then be surprised when they couldn’t save themselves. 

You tied weights to a man and threw him in the water. You watched him go under and did nothing to help. 

And then you wondered why he drowned.

Can I just say,, I think the most powerful moment of the episode was the scene near the end with May running into the collapsing building. She had no other goal than to kill the Patriot, she even put her life in danger for it. But the moment she sees those kids running down the stairs, you can see in her face that she knew this wasn’t right. All her life, as she knew it, was dedicated to serving HYDRA, and this one moment of confusion and betrayal ended that. The importance of children to May is what gets me everytime. She knows they don’t deserve being implicated in this war, and she believes this so much that she betrayed the entire organization in a heartbeat.

THIS SCENE WAS JUST SO PERFECT TO ME

SOMEONE JUST GIVE MAY A KID GODDAMN