Lets talk about Keemstar’s shit of a video against Jacksepticeye.
Let me break down every point this in that video and explain to you why Keemstar is so terribly wrong.
1. Jack starting the video to defend himself instead of Felix? Bruh. Jack was only defending himself at first because the over dramatic people called him a Nazi sympathizer when taking sides with Felix. He’s plainly explaining that he isn’t a Nazi, and he doesn’t agree with the “jokes” Felix had said in his videos. Hes very entitled to come out and defend himself for false claims cause people are too narrow minded to think as to why Felix’s friends would support him.
2.Jack says Felix’s Nazi jokes are bad, but Keemstar wants to pull up ONE tweet Jack said about Nazi’s. Ok, look here Keemshit, it was 1 tweet, and it was no where near the severity of Felix’s jokes. I mean, IMO, Felix’s first tweet was stupid and not funny anyways, but it made sense how Jack replied to it. Is it a Nazi joke? Kinda, but it wasn’t anti-Semitic in any way and it didn’t offend anyone. Plus Jack never makes anti-Semitic jokes(or any jokes against a group of people), and for this to be the BIGGEST evidence to make your claim, then you truly lost that point. NEXT.
3. Keemstar repeating how much Felix paved the way to Jack’s Youtube success. Yes Felix gave Jack a shout out, yes it helped his channel grow, but in no means should Jack worship and kiss the feet of Felix if and when Felix does something wrong. Jack’s channel is mainly successful because of the work and effort Jack put into it. His personality attracted people and his involvement and love with his fans made them stay. Just because a few people gave his channel some light does not mean if those people fucked up in any way that Jack has to have their back 100%. Jack has his own opinions and his own views, he has a right to disagree with a friend of his for fucks sake.
4. Keemstar losing his shit because Jack sided with Maker and Disney. …Did you not listen to what Jack said in the video? Any company has a RIGHT to drop whoever they want. They are legal to do that. Felix made some very very bad jokes and they didn’t want to support that type of humor. I mean, fuck dude, Pewdiepie is no where Disney/Maker friendly in the first place. Whoop de doo. Now Felix can sign with another company or create his own. Jack was only stating that Maker/Disney are not technically wrong for dropping Felix. What they should of done was talk it out, and the point Jack was making is that yes they are not wrong for dropping Felix, but they are wrong in HOW they dropped him. Big difference. The only reason why Felix was dropped from Maker was because WSJ went to them first and instilled fear of bad image onto them. If you actually thought about what Jack was saying, you’d know he doesn’t agree with how Maker dropped Felix. Do you even think critically Keemstar?
5. Keemstar calling Jack selfish for being upset that Scare Pewdiepie was canceled. oooooooh man you’re just piling on more shit dude. How in the world is that being selfish? He and Felix put in so much work into that season, and it is NOT selfish that hes upset about all of it being wasted time on his end. I mean, fuckin hell dude, don’t you know on Jack’s end of it? He had to record multiple videos in advance and travel over to the site of the recording, and make sure videos went up on time. I don’t see how him expressing his disappointment is selfish when he was a big part in that season. He took a lot a time and effort on it, and for it to do to waste must suck. (I mean, who knows what other opportunities he could of done in that time frame?)
6. Jack a backstabber? Now, here’s how I view the video Jack made. To me, it was well thought out and made. What he said made sense and still showed support to Felix even though he doesn’t agree on Felix’s comedy. I have no idea why Jack would feel how hes naive and or how he sees it differently because people said some things. I just really don’t understand why it is so important to people why Jack has to kiss Felix’s ass and give him a band-aid every time theres a controversy. Just like Jack explained in his video, it is still okay to disagree with a friend and still support them so long as they know their faults. I honestly don’t see where Jack went wrong in his video. People who can’t critically think about the situation just want to jump on and defend whomever without knowing whats truly going on.
There are consequences in your actions, and what Felix did got him what he deserved. Should it have been handled differently? Yes. But he still doesn’t need to be praised and rewarded when he does something wrong. This is Felix’s punishment, and he learned from it. Its a real eye opener for him. Jack doesn’t need to do anything but be a friend, and a true friend tells you when you are wrong. From how I see it, the way Jack thinks is that he sees the problem from all sides, and explaining Maker was thinking from a business point. Jack is a critical thinker who points out things that needed to be understood in the situation. Does he think Maker is right for dropping them? Ethically, no, business wise, yes. It doesn’t mean hes out there taking the side of the money giver to keep him in the safe zone.
People really need to think, and i mean really think about all sides of this situation. To point fingers and blatantly take sides doesn’t make you a better fan.
7. Final thoughts from Keemstar (finally I’m done watching this shit of a video)Clearly dude, nothing you said in this video had any meaning to it. You’re making false claims without any critical thought behind them. You watched the video and made no effort to think how it is on Jack’s end. Making this video was disrespectful and selfish. You say its not for attention or views, but it truly is. If you really wanted to “shine light on the issue media has over Youtube” you’d make a video about WSJ, not Jacksepticeye. You are creating more drama and misconceptions so young naive Pewdiepie fans can go out and attack Jack. You did no good making this video. You have no part between Jack and Felix. This isn’t news, this is your biased opinion to kiss Felix’s ass in hopes for him to buddy you. (which is hilarious cause theres no way you’d make friends with any of them) Seriously, you should be the one deleting this video, not Jack.
I honestly can’t stand how people can just mindlessly go after Jack over this. His video made perfect sense. He doesn’t need to go into full detail when the main view everyone has on this situation has been made in multiple videos already. The only reason why he made that video is because some dumbasses started labeling him as a Nazi sympathizer, and he had to clear that up.
Even though I don’t like being a active part of the fandom, I really wanted to write this up because I care and it royally pisses me off how people dealt with this. It pisses me off even more that the waste of time Keemshit had to make that video that helped NOTHING at all. I couldn’t stand seeing it, because Jack is a good hearted person and a good friend. The public view from his video twisted his words and made him seem like the bad guy.
I mean, at the end of the day, Jack and Felix’s friendship is none of our business and we don’t need to be in the middle of it. Felix knows where Jack stands in all of this and Jack doesn’t need to prove his friendship to anyone except Felix. And like I said, the only reason why the video was made was to clear the false accusations that Jack’s a Nazi sympathizer and put his thought on the issue because it effected him too.
TL;DR YOU CAN STILL BE A GOOD FRIEND AND SUPPORT THEM EVEN WHEN YOUR FRIEND FUCKS UP AND GETS PUNISHED FOR IT AND EEEVEN WHEN THE PUNISHMENT WAS NOT EXECUTED PROPERLY AND KEEMSTAR IS A CUNT FOR MAKING THAT VIDEO (sorry not sorry for my language)
TL;DR pt2 WE SHOULD REALLY BE PUTTING ALL THIS TIME AND ENERGY INTO WSJ INSTEAD OF ALL THIS BULLSHIT.
Okay, so I’ve been seeing a loot of really bad things around the fandom, reading into every word Cullen says, every movement he makes, making every lazy writer’s decision/detail follow-up a solid proof of what he is and I’ll just say this. Every person is entitled to their own opinion. Be it exaggerated to some, truthful to others, grey, confusing or anything else. Sure, do your own thing, just don’t promote hate or harass fans. Regardless which side you are on.
However, if you do approve of Cullen’s character development, if you like him as a character, if you romanced him in DA:I and believe he’s changed
as it is stated a few times in the game, or if you have any positive feelings towards him and have been insulted or bullied for it on this site, I’ve got a few words to help you feel a bit better:
you are not a racist (Cullen never openly vouched for aggression or oppression on any race)
you are not a fascist (for heaven’s sake, I won’t even explain this one, it’s so ridiculous and yet I’ve heard it from people who dislike him aimed towards his fans)
you are not a chauvinist (Cullen, not in his worst days, hated or abused women, no matter how some people said it is ‘implied’ from the behavior of some of the other templars)
you are not a mage-hater (this one is usually the most tricky one, because he had a nasty past of having really negative opinions on mages and let his superiors lead him further into that vicious cycle, but Cullen admitted to being made to believe the wrong thing and he did his job (which he entered because he was a boy raised believing templars were heroes protecting people - because they actually did not just ‘enslave’ mages, they worked as Ferelden’s closest thing to police) approving this opinion for a time, but as soon as he went amongst the people from his second-in-command position and saw the actual bloodshed that an opinion like that created and what it did to people, he changed his ways - he was tortured by certain mages so he’s still careful around some of them (as he is around templars, might I add), but he doesn’t openly hate them, he never even hated them as people, he viewed their powers as dangerous and now he knows better and feels all of the appropriate guilt and anguish for that, as he has stated multiple times; he was planned to be written as a creepy, troubled character in DA:O, but his character arc has changed significantly since then; a similar thing happened with Fenris, that boy had so much hatred for anything mage-related, but, like Cullen, he went through something horrible and he thought he had a reason for it, then later, he grew as a character and realized that not all mages are like those that abused him and people understand and support Fenris, yet they often viciously attack Cullen and anyone/anything that has to do with him)
and, most importantly
you are not a bad person !
You are open to believe and support whichever character you want, as long as it doesn’t promote violence, abuse or hatred, you can like which character you want, especially if it helps cheer you up and if it has a positive affect on you. Plus, I’ve seen some rather harsh Cullen critiques that call-out on fans of an opposite opinion while they, at the same time, support characters like Loghain, Solas, etc. So, as strange as that might seem, even they like characters of questionable opinions and arcs (even more so than Cullen, in my own opinion, but once again, this is just my opinion, no hard feelings to anyone disagreeing).
Basically, liking Cullen doesn’t make people evil, hateful or oppressive and it certainly doesn’t make it okay for people to bully or insult them. Be kind, folks, and I mean this on both sides of this specter. But never, ever feel bad about yourself as a person for liking a fairly redeemed character because someone else insults you for it and reads into the story differently. I also don’t mean anything nasty towards people who still find his past opinions too negative to like him, if any of them see this. You’re free to feel how you do, but, please, don’t belittle or attack people who see a character differently, because his arc in DA:I does leave him very open for positive interpretation.
First off, I’d like to say a couple of things. One is that I probably should have separated all of this into multiple, subject-based posts, but I don’t particularly feel like it. The second is that when I get angry or upset and I start typing, my ADD (legitimately, like I’m not just calling myself ADD colloquially, I really have been diagnosed) rears its ugly head and I have a habit of jumping subjects without realizing that not everyone’s brain is making the same connections as haphazardly as me. And I have a terrible habit of veering off on tangents of tangents of tangents. So bear with me and if there’s anything you need me to clear up, feel free to ask, and we can have a respectful conversation.
Which is the first thing I wanted to talk about. (NICE SEGUE, SUSANNA). Respect. R-E-S-P-E-C-T. You all learned about it in elementary school, right? You did? I’m not the only one that had the whole Character Counts program, with the pillars of character on the wall in my third grade classroom? Good. Now, if you’ve never heard of or experienced respect, this post is not for you.
But if you have, then you need to review what it is and how to show it to other people. I’m not saying you can’t disagree with Sarah. I’m not saying you can’t be upset by the events of Empire of Storms, or how the ships turn out. You are entitled to your own opinions, and no one can tell you that what you are feeling is wrong. Feelings aren’t wrong, they just are. They’re there, and though you can control which feelings you show to the world around you, you can’t really control feeling them, if that makes any sense. If you’re sad, for example, you can choose (however difficult the choice may be) not to cry. But you can’t really choose to not feel sad. So all that to say that yes. You can be angry. You can be disappointed. You can say to yourself “To hell with this whole series, I’m never reading any of her books again.” That is your prerogative.
In this hyper-connected, social media-driven age, Whedon has been missing in action since spring 2015. That’s when he pulled the plug on his Twitter account.
In discussing the breakup to a roomful of his most dedicated fans on Friday, Whedon had a nuanced, complicated answer, one that speaks to the changing relationship between those who create and those who consume.
The short version: It’s not me, it’s you.
“It could be something lovely,” he said of interacting with fans via social media. “It could be something funny. It could be ‘Hang yourself, here’s a noose. When can I kill you?’ That’s less fun. That’s less interesting. Eventually, it becomes kind of a white noise. You can’t remember what the dialogue was, so you stop having it.”
Whedon clarified that he didn’t leave Twitter because people were mean to him – although, for the record, people were awfully mean to him. Rather, he found himself at the forefront of a new era of fan entitlement that for some creators have raised tricky questions of ownership. Just who deserves a say in the development of pop media — those working to dream it up, or those paying to keep a project afloat?
“I would like always to have a dialogue with the audience, but at the same time you can’t create by committee,” Whedon said.
Increasingly, some can’t bear to even listen to the committee.
This month, “Ghostbusters” star Leslie Jones took her own temporary leave from Twitter, writing that she was in “personal hell” after being hit with a barrage of racist and misogynist remarks from those who were still upset that the film had been rebooted with a female-led cast. “I didn’t do anything to deserve this,” Jones wrote. “It’s just too much. It shouldn’t be like this. So hurt right now.”
And even when not leveling personal attacks, fans today are more apt to make requests — or demands, depending on your point of view.
Online-driven campaigns have called for changes to the sexuality or race of popular characters. Make Captain America gay, some fans argue. Give Elsa (from Disney’s “Frozen”) a girlfriend, cries another contingent. Of course, it needs to be noted that when companies or artists do push for more inclusivity in genre entertainment, they are met with a deafening level of resentment (see the anger over the female-driven cast of “Ghostbusters”).
Other times, specific plot choices will be targeted, such as Whedon’s decision to stage a romance between two superheroes in “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” or the killing of a character on a popular television series. Sometimes, fans will just lash out at an author for not finishing a book (see “Game of Thrones” author George R.R. Martin).
While some instances are rooted in a genuine and important desire to see more diversity in popular entertainment — a greater representation of LGBT characters or minorities, for instance — they’re still illustrative of the growing desire of fans to have a bigger say in their entertainment choices.
“It’s a thing. It’s not a bad thing. It’s a thing,” said author and screenwriter Neil Gaiman, who was at Comic-Con to promote an upcoming adaption of his novel “American Gods.”
“It’s the thing that kept 'Star Trek’ going. It’s the thing that brought back 'Doctor Who.’ Fans are still creators. Fans demand and make things happen. Mostly, that’s great. But it can tip, and when it tips, it goes into strange places where people feel that by having watched a TV show or bought a book, they feel that you owe them something huge for having done that. Watching the level of crazy that can sometimes happen is hard.”
Gaiman would know. In 2009, he wrote a blog post defending the work ethic of Martin, noting that the “Games of Thrones” writer was not employed by fans. “George R.R. Martin is not working for you,” Gaiman wrote in response to a fan who wondered whether “the audience has too much input when it comes to [scrutinizing] the actions of an artist.”
It’s a topic that’s being grappled with by creators at this year’s Comic-Con, as well as the fans attending the convention.
“It is what it is,” said David Ayer, director of Warner Bros.’ upcoming villains-gone-crazy film “Suicide Squad.” “It’s the Roman arena. It’s thumbs up or thumbs down. The crowd votes. Hopefully, my movie doesn’t get executed in the sawdust there. But that’s why the genre has the connection and the power and the audience that it does – because there’s that ownership and there’s that participation.”
Still, he adds, “my hope is that we can just push the envelope a little bit and challenge people.”
If so, he may want to prepare for a backlash.
Just ask Jennifer Hepler, author of “Women in Game Development: Breaking the Glass Level-Cap.” The game developer previously worked for Electronic Arts-owned BioWare, where she was a writer on such blockbuster games as “Dragon Age: Inquisition” and “Dragon Age II.”
Her home didn’t always have bulletproof glass windows. That development occurred after she contributed to “Dragon Age II.” As one of its core writers, Hepler was singled out for the inclusion of LGBT-friendly characters in the game. Some very vocal hard-core game fans were not happy.
Hepler was on maternity leave when the harassment started.
“All of a sudden, I started getting strange emails from people offering me support in this difficult time,” she recalled. “I was like, 'What are you talking about?’ Somebody eventually told me that someone had posted something on [the online forum] Reddit that called me 'the cancer that was destroying BioWare.’ When I first heard about it, I tried to laugh it off, but it got crazy very quickly.”
“I was pretty scared,” she said. “There were some pretty awful threats made. There were threats made against my children that were just horrifying.
“I got bulletproof glass in my house. I unlisted my phone number. I quit my Twitter account. I just tried to lay low. I’m lucky that worked. I don’t know if it would work now. The mobs have become more empowered. It’s a frightening situation out there.”
Even a hero of the medium isn’t immune.
Whedon came under attack last year for the romance between Scarlett Johansson’s Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow and Mark Ruffalo’s Bruce Banner/Hulk in “Avengers: Age of Ultron.” The two shared an emotional exchange in the film, with both characters lamenting their inability to have children, and Black Widow was viewed by some as wanting a rather trite, domesticated life.
Whedon reflected on the incident when spotted in the lobby bar of a San Diego hotel. He said the relationship with fans had changed dramatically from when he was working on “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” in the late ’90s and early ’00s.
“Now that everybody can reach you directly, if you happen to be on social media, there is definitely a sense of not just 'We know better,’ but also 'We should have the right to dictate.’ That’s mean, but I was sent lots and lots of – not death threats – but more just polite inquiries as to why I have not died or killed myself yet, all because of Natasha and Bruce having a romance.”
Whedon said that he was working on something original and that it was “relaxing” to not have to worry about fan opinions. Still, despite the “Ultron” experience, Whedon cautioned against completely tuning out the concerns of the audience.
“You can’t draw a line exactly,” he said. “If we could, we would have. Sometimes, an advocacy group will say, 'This character has to go through these things, because that’s what we went through.’ Sometimes, that’s stuff you did not know about and that is stuff you need to honor. But sometimes it’s 'Yes, but I am telling a different story.’ Every story is different. Everybody’s version of the same story is different. At some point, it has to come from inside your gut. Your gut is not on social media.”
Now years removed from her online harassment, Hepler is still trying to make sense of it. She notes that players not interested in “Dragon Age II’s” gay romance could easily avoid it.
“There’s a sense of entitlement and ownership that people have of media,” she said. “The thing that exemplifies it to me is this idea of 'You’re ruining my childhood.’ Your childhood is over.
“You can’t retroactively ruin it by going out and making a new piece of media for somebody else’s childhood. That is the battle cry you hear a lot, that somehow by making something new and making something for the next generation is going back and ruining people’s childhood somehow. It’s a huge sense of entitlement. 'This was important to me. How dare you change it?’ ”
In one sense, fan entitlement is nothing new. Famously, Arthur Conan Doyle tried to kill off Sherlock Holmes, revisiting the character only after fans wouldn’t let him quit. But experts say the tone has shifted.
“I don’t think a majority of fans of 'Game of Thrones’ want to kill George R.R. Martin. It’s definitely just a small vocal subset that issue death threats,” said Paul Booth, an associate professor at DePaul University in Chicago who studies fan culture. “But I also find it hard to believe that this sort of mentality happened years ago. I don’t think anyone threatened to kill Conan Doyle if he didn’t bring Sherlock Holmes back.
“We live in a culture of hyperbole. Everything is the most thing or the greatest thing. Everything is exaggerated. The discourse online has followed that. It’s not 'I like this movie.’ It’s 'This is the greatest thing I have ever seen and anyone who disagrees is wrong.’ It’s a perversion of the fannish protection of an object.”
On the Comic-Con floor, attendees expressed dismay over fan outrage and harassment. But many still want their voices heard.
“I don’t really see any issue with fans asking, 'Hey can we see this?’ or 'Hey, can we change that?’ So long as it’s not changing the core values of what the character believes in,” said Nicole Andelfinger, 27, of Los Angeles. “If a creator decides they want to pursue what the fans are asking, all the more power to them, but we also can’t necessarily ask every creator to see our vision. They have their own vision.”
When to listen, and when to turn off the noise, isn’t a science.
“You do see people trying to sort out what is the difference between the people who say, 'Keep 'Ghostbusters’ male,’ and the people who say, 'Give Elsa a girlfriend,’ ” said Hepler. “I think the difference is the 'or else.’ I think a lot of people would like to see Elsa have a girlfriend or see Captain America have a boyfriend, but that usually isn’t couched in the threatening terms of 'Or else I’ll never see it again and harass everyone who worked on it.’ But it is part of the same sense of ownership over media that people feel.”
Sarah Schechter, an executive producer on the CBS series “Supergirl,” said the solution is more — more diversity, more inclusion and more characters that reflect under-represented groups.
“I’ve had some friends who have been on the receiving end of hate campaigns, and it’s very troubling for them,” she said. “They do genuinely just want to tell stories to entertain people and uplift them.
“I want there to be more female superhero shows, so it isn’t just one representing. I think the more representation there is, the easier it will be for everyone to have different things happen to characters without people being as angry. Some of the fan engagement is really gratifying. That means they care about the characters. That’s ultimately what every writer, actor, producer wants, but of course, it’s upsetting when people get upset. It’s very tricky.”
In the meantime, maybe we can all just talk it out.
“You can express your opinions,” said Chris Hardwick, host of AMC’s “Talking Dead” and architect of the geek lifestyle site Nerdist. “But walking up to someone and telling them rationally why you did or didn’t like something is different than walking up to them and hitting them in the face with a frying pan. Those are two different things.
“We’re culturally addicted to outrage at the moment. We need to be more addicted to conversation.”
Remember when Agents of SHIELD first started and we were all friends and there was no need for a Grant Ward Defense League or the Stand with Ward movement because the worst insults Ward ever received were that he was too “bland” of a character and people would accept that and politely disagree and then leave it at that? Remember when this was literally the nicest, sweetest fandom I had personally ever been part of because everyone would ship and let ship and we’d all laugh and have a good time and talk about fun headcanons and we didn’t have to worry about hate and ship wars? Remember when Skyeward shippers didn’t have to freak out whenever they saw a new message in their inboxes because they knew it was most likely hate, or dread going into the Skyeward tag, OUR tag, because there are almost always hate posts there? Does anyone else remember that fandom? Because I’m starting to question whether or not it ever even existed.
I’m making this post because today I was talking to someone at school who is a big tumblr user and we got to talking about our fandoms, and when I told her I was in the AoS fandom, this is the face she made:
She told me that she had wanted to watch the show, but all the hate and negativity she saw on tumblr towards Ward and Skyeward shippers changed her mind. She asked me to explain the reasons for the hate and when I told her about Ward and why people disliked him and any potential relationship he might have with Skye she shook her head and sighed and said “Some people just don’t get. It’s fiction. I personally love reading murder mystery novels because I think they’re cool and intriguing. That doesn’t mean I’d go out and murder someone. You can like a problematic character without approving of the things they’ve done. You can ship a problematic character with another character and not want that kind of relationship for yourself or someone you know. There’s nothing wrong with that and the only thing it says about you as a person is what type of fictional tropes you’re into. There’s nothing wrong with it because it’s not real.”
I nearly stood up and applauded her. I didn’t want to draw attention though, so instead I kinda hugged her and I asked if I could use what she said for this post, which of course she agreed and even wrote it all down for me.
Why can’t we all think like this? Why can’t we go back to the fandom we were before Ward was revealed as a traitor? Why can’t I feel excited when I receive new asks or go into my favorite tags anymore? Why do I, as well as my shipmates, have to tolerate the shit that’s constantly thrown at us for having an opinion? I understand that everyone has and is entitled to their own opinions and there’s nothing wrong with that. The problem lies with the disrespectful ways in which these opinions are expressed. I don’t think it’s terribly hard to speak your mind without outright bashing a character, ship, or shippers. And I know every fandom has its haters, but I think things have gotten a little out of hand here in the AoS fandom. The last thing I want to be is that person who makes all those “stop the madness” posts, but I’ve seriously had enough and I’m not the only one.
That’s all I wanted to say. Oh, hey it’s almost midnight where I am so happy early birthday to me I guess…