You said you tell people and friends you are atheist but you haven't told your family. So can I ask if it is because it doesn't matter and they won't take it well so you may as well not bring it up? Or is it because you are living with them and you are pretending to be religious because you're concerned about them taking it badly? Do you wish you could tell your family or do you not care one way or another if they know?
I haven’t told my family mostly because I don’t know how they will take it. I want to tell them but I don’t know their stance on it. A few of my family members are more religious than others I know some will be completely chill with the idea of me being atheist but I know a few will not take it easily. I’m just a the point if it comes out it does but I won’t just out of no where tell them. So I guess to answer you question a little bit of all. Sorry I haven’t posted in a while.
Argh. I don’t begrudge my flatmate having an end-of-exams get-together in our flat, but there’s nothing quite like a social event to remind me just how Autistic™ I am. I spent most of the time sitting in a corner playing Star Trek Online on my laptop and being completely incapable of joining in with the party games because they all required bluffing/improv and I Cannot do that, I eventually had to relocate to another room because it was getting Too Loud and Too Crowded, and now I’m Suffering because the living room smells of body spray, aka The Most Painful Smell Ever.
from an atheist's standpoint, the not eating pork part is actually very clever, because they are biochemically very similar to humans so they shouldn't be eaten anyway for health reasons, and even cooked very well they can still carry a LOT of diseases. i don't know if that's why the Quran prohibited it but you're better off not eating pork anyway...
I. “I do hold regular hours for Reconciliation,” Daniel said, tugging at his collar with a free hand. (It had been bothering him all afternoon–vestments might hide that extra five pounds, but the clerical collar was much less forgiving.) “Mondays and Fridays at 5:30, it says so on our website. You don’t have to interrupt my gardening.”
“I know,” the angel said, and Daniel could hear the shifting of its wings as it found a comfortable place on the grass. “But I prefer this to the confessional.”
Daniel reached down and yanking out a weedy tangle from the flowerbed, tossing it onto the steadily-growing pile. “I’m not even sure I can hear your confession, you know. I was commissioned to absolve the frailty of men, not…”
“So you said last time. And the time before.”
Daniel sighed heavily and sat back on the grass, wiping his hands on his pants. The angel was sitting half a yard away, sifting a handful of dirt through its fingers idly. At his gaze, it straightened up, puffing out the wings around its face. The tongue of flame over its forehead sputtered, then flared brighter–in a strange way, it reminded Daniel of a woman fidgeting with her hair.
Daniel bit back a smile. “So?” he said. “Let’s hear it.”
The angel’s lipless mouth twisted in displeasure, and the bright coils around its arms roiled. “’Let’s hear it’? Is that how you begin all your confessions?”
“Well, you didn’t like ‘in the name of the Father,’ so I thought I’d try something different this time.”
The angel watched the last of the dirt slip through its fingers, then looked up at him. Its eyes were dark and deep as space, starless and cold. “There is a woman who tends a small garden behind my building. As she passed me in the hall, I blessed her knees to keep them from aching–that she might enjoy the sunshine and not think of how her daughter had not called this week.”
Daniel bit back a smile. “I see. And you feel such an action is in need of forgiveness?”
The bands of light around the angel’s arms were undulating slowly, like waves. “My orders are not to interfere with my Father’s creation.”
Atheist here, I must ask... is it so important for you to be in a religion... any religion? Because you don't need to change your values and shit to a religion and you shouldn't look for a religion with the highest 'match' with your values and believes. You can still believe in a god if it's that necessary without being attached to a church. I mean... is it so important to look for a 'fitting' community and religion while you don't need to be attached to a religious community? I don't get it.
I don’t know if it’s your intention but the wording of this question comes across as quite rude :/
People join religions for many reasons, and it’s not really anyone’s place to tell them they shouldn’t. Also I don’t really see why you’re trying to dissuade people from joining religion, it’s not that bad.
To answer your question: This might get long sorry
So, the reason I feel the need to be ‘attached to a religious community’ is because it’s nice to find people who share my beliefs, who care for me and will actually listen to what I say. From past posts you’ll know that I don’t have the… best of families ( my mentally unstable mother + my father with anger issues and a short temper = bad) And sometimes when it’s all getting pretty tough it’s nice to know that there will be people who will support me and help me get through this. They’re like the family I don’t really have. Also on a lighter note being part of a community helps me make friends and it’s fun to celebrate holidays with many friends.
I’m gonna use my story as an example:
As i’ve also mentioned from other posts, you’ll know that i’ve been looking into the church of Latter Day Saints, and this is because, as I mentioned before, they’re like a family to me. One of my longest and best friends is LDS, she and her family accept my identity and help me whenever I need. Also ( after an admittedly awkward first encounter) I’ve befriended two sister missionaries and they actually listen to what I have to say. I’m also pretty close to a lot of people in the church in my area, and they’re all accepting and fun to be around.
My only problem with the LDS is their past, but a lot has changed (for the better) since then. It’s not good enough to pretend that stuff doesn’t exist, but if we can acknowledge it and strive to be better people then we’re on the right path! (that’s pretty much the same for any religion)
Also people are accepting of the fact that i’m trans??? I would have never expected it buy yay. People usually do have some questions that are a little intrusive, but they don’t mean any harm.
(tip: never deal with the LDS over the phone, it will be stressful and you’ll have an overly happy girl talking about jesus with a south-american accent at 3am)
I know I went really off-topic, but this is why I personally love being part of a religious community. They’re pretty much my family.
Also, i’m not the kind of person to try and tell people what religion to be. As long as you’re not hurting people go ahead and be whatever (as long as you’re also safe!!!) Also I have no problem with atheists, but next time maybe you should start with ‘hello’ instead of ‘atheist here.’
being part of a religious community certainly isn’t for everyone, and I understand that, but for me it’s very important.
Sorry for the very very long and half off topic stuff, but I hope I kind of answered your question? Feel free to ask anything else about this kinda stuff!!!
not all atheists are like that - though a lot are. i used to be atheist but i always respected other peoples religion it was just that i didn't believe in a god perse, though i still felt though i was spiritual so i didn't know what else to call myself but an atheist - now i feel differently. but i do agree with that post and i know a lot of atheists who are that way but i dunno i just felt like putting in my two cents. i hope i didn't come off as rude or anything! :)
hey! i don’t mean any disrespect to atheists whatsoever, i’m sure there are plenty of atheists out there that treat others with the level of respect that you have, and it’s nice to know there are people out there that are content with others believing what they wish in peace.
i’ve just personally known several that have gone out of their way to challenge me directly for my religious beliefs and it was unsettling to me that someone would be so desperate to prove why my faith is absurd in the most condescending fashion, especially since i already try to keep religion out of most public discussions to begin with and don’t try to force my beliefs upon anyone.
someone can challenge the authoritative nature of some religious institutions as a whole and condemn those who have justified horrible things in the name of god without having to treat individual people with hostility or make them feel incompetent for aligning with deeply rooted beliefs that carry them through life.
Why I have a problem with the Valar or Why I would have followed Fëanor
I’m not saying the Valar are unfair, I’m saying I consider them unfair, I’m saying I don’t like them. Actually I do like them as characters because they wake all these strong feelings in me. These are the reasons why I would have followed Fëanor away from Valinor and the Valar. I was reading chapter 9 yesterday and couldn’t go to sleep because I kept thinking about this so I decided to actually write it. Not meant to offend anyone of course (come on guys, whether you agree or not, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and this is mine) other than the Valar themselves, but I always offend them so nothing new there.
How can you find the will to worship such an awful being? Thinks men are superior to women. Thinks slavery is okay. Gave us free will and forgives all... yet made a hell for when we do things he doesn't like. Also killed millions of innocent people because they didn't do as he wanted. Lets the world be the way it is, awful. If you blame Satan (whos only killed 10 people and is bad only bc of gods word) you're wrong. God is all powerful, he should be able to overcome a "bad" spirit. - An Atheist
I’ll answer your every argument separately. And I’ll answer with all my respect for your beliefs, or non beliefs.
God thinks men are superior to women - The Bible contains many references to women that, to our modern mindset, sound discriminatory towards women. But we have to remember that when the Bible describes an action, it does not necessarily mean that the Bible endorses that action. The Bible describes men treating women as little more than property, but that does not mean God approves of that action. The Bible is far more focused on reforming our souls than our societies. God knows that a changed heart will result in a changed behavior. The cross of Christ is the great equalizer. John 3:16 says, “Whoever believes,” and that is an all-inclusive statement that leaves no one out on the basis of position in society, mental capacity, or gender. We also find a passage in Galatians that speaks of our equal opportunity for salvation. “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26-28). There is no sexism at the cross. The charge of sexism in the Bible is based upon a lack of knowledge of Scripture. When men and women of all ages have taken their God-ordained places and lived according to “thus says the LORD,” then there is a wonderful balance between the genders. That balance is what God began with, and it is what He will end with. There is an inordinate amount of attention paid to the various products of sin and not to the root of it. It is only when there is personal reconciliation with God through the Lord Jesus Christ that we find true equality. “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John 8:32).
God thinks slavery is okay - What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters. The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8-10). Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
Gave us free will and forgives all… yet made a hell for when we do things he doesn’t like - God desires that every person spend eternity with Him (Matthew 18:14; 2 Peter 3:9), but He honors our free will (John 4:14). Anyone who so desires can go to heaven (John 1:12). Jesus already paid the price for our salvation, but we must accept that gift and transfer ownership of our lives to Him (Luke 9:23). Heaven is perfect, and God cannot take anyone there who insists on holding on to his or her sin. We must allow Him to cleanse us of our sin and make us righteous in His sight (2 Corinthians 5:21). John 1:10–12 shows us the problem and the solution: “He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” We can choose to trust in Jesus’ payment for our sin, or we can choose to pay for our sins ourselves—but we must remember that the payment for our sin is eternity in hell. C. S. Lewis said it this way: “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’”
God is all powerful, he should be able to overcome a “bad” spirit - First, we know God is absolutely sovereign over all creation, and this includes Satan. Certainly, Satan and his demons wreak havoc in the world, but they are only allowed a certain amount of freedom. We also know that God has planned everything from the beginning of time to the end. Nothing can thwart His plans, and things are proceeding exactly on schedule. “The LORD of hosts has sworn: ‘As I have planned, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand’” (Isaiah 14:24). Second, “we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose” (Romans 8:28). Whatever God has planned for Satan, that plan will be the best one possible. God’s perfect wrath and justice will be satisfied, and His perfect righteousness will be glorified. Those who love Him and who wait for His plan to be fulfilled will be thrilled to be part of that plan and will praise and glorify Him as they see it unfold. Third, we know that to question God’s plan and its timing is to question God Himself, His judgment, His character and His very nature. It is not wise to question His right to do exactly as He pleases. The psalmist tells us, “As for God, His way is perfect” (Psalm 18:30). Whatever plan comes from the mind of the Almighty is the best plan possible. It is true that we can’t expect to understand that mind perfectly, as He reminds us, “‘For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,’ says the LORD. ‘For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts’” (Isaiah 55:8-9). Nevertheless, our responsibility to God is to obey Him, to trust Him, and to submit to His will, whether we understand it or not. In the case of His timing for Satan’s demise, it has to be the best possible plan because it is God’s plan. But true Christians do not care about it. Because the God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. Romans 16:20
context is everything so when only certain parts get translated, the meaning gets lost. Nine recommended the song 'I Surrender All' then they talked about it. She said it's a holy song, and Jjong kinda said it's a nice song to 'let go' to then mentioned (again) that he doesn't have a religion. which led into Nine asking if he thinks gods exist and his answer about it. 'atheist' came about bc so many fans change his words and continue to label him... it's a recurring problem that needs to stop.
and that is no hate to you fyjjong. i just agree with you that people shouldn’t put labels on him by continuously taking his words out of topic. if you want to share it with everyone it’s cool, if not it’s fine too. i just think sometimes people need context to understand jonghyun a lot better.
yeah, i agree. it’s difficult when the full context of conversations aren’t translated. this definitely gives more insight on what was said, thank you!