and then neal saying that emma was right

  • Regina: rapes Graham and kills him for saying no.
  • Fandom: Well that's not REALLY rape cause...... Reasons.
  • Rumple: takes away Milah's reproductive rights, kills her for not loving him, rapes Belle by deception and reduces Snow and Ashley to baby factories.
  • Fandom: Well Milah was mean to him so....
  • Neal: belittles Emma's driving skills on the basis of her gender, has unprotected sex with a minor, takes away her agency by sending her to prison for his crimes and tells her that he'll "never stop fighting for her" even though she just said she was hoping he was dead.
  • Fandom: He didn't have a choice and anyway she was emotionally mature enough to have sex.
  • Killian: makes an innuendo.
  • Fandom: HE IS THE WORST THAT IS RAPE CULTURE HE IS SO DISGUSTING

Still can’t sleep. My Goodbye post didn’t even begin to touch all the things I found horrible about this episode/season.

But one thing that’s keeping me awake right now-Emma invites Regina to go to Granny’s with the rest of her family AND REGINA FUCKING SAYS NO. I REPEAT. REGINA MILLS TURNED DOWN EMMA’S INVITATION TO BE WITH HER IN THEIR LAST MOMENTS AFTER EVERYTHING EMMA HAS DONE FOR HER AND AFTER EVERYTHING THEY’VE BEEN THROUGH. THEY ARE ALL ABOUT TO DIE IN MINUTES AND REGINA GOES TO BANISH HER SISTER INSTEAD OF BEING WITH HENRY, EMMA AND THE TWO IDIOTS AND BABY NEAL. WHAT. IN. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK??!!

Now this is huge coming from me, because I have NEVER bashed Regina ever. For years people have been saying how Robin ruins Regina and how her character has been assassinated because she always chooses Robin over Henry. But still I didn’t see it. But tonight bitch….OMGAWD. 

So Savior Regina was just a myth?

Nothing about Camelot actually mattered?

No closure for Guinevere and Lancelot?

Guinevere is still being controlled by Arthur?

That pointless, tacked on episode with Merida, Mulan, and Ruby really was so they could “plant the seeds” of the LGBT relationship, and they didn’t even confirm that Mulan was gay in it?

THEY HAD EMMA AND REGINA LEAD THEIR SON HENRY INTO HELL AFTER RUMPLE JUST TOLD EVERYONE HOW THE UNDERWORLD IS THE WORST PLACE EVER??!

So Robin and Regina just left behind the baby they fought so hard to get? I mean if we’re bringing Henry, might as well bring Baby Hood and baby Neal, am I right?

EVERYONE IS GOING TO THE UNDERWORLD FOR HOOK? HOOK- WHO JUST TRIED TO KILL THEM ALL INCLUDING HENRY AND HAS BEEN EMOTIONALLY ABUSING EMMA FOR THE PAST FEW EPISODES AND JUST CHOKED OUT REGINA?!! 

Plus they shat ALL over Rumbelle. Haven’t the Rumbellers been through enough? And didn’t they already go through this EXACT same plot??!

They had Emma say “I will always find you” about Hook. They had Emma say….

And for the kicker, because this REALLY fucking pissed me off: THEY HAD HOOK AND EMMA PARALLEL REGINA AND EMMA AT THE END OF SEASON 2. Hook being all “let me die as a hero. I want you to remember me as this” was a COMPLETE RIPOFF of Regina’s “Everyone sees me as the Evil Queen. Please, let me die as Regina.” That shit is just disrespectful. I’m sorry. Those are one of the few sacred SQ moments. It’s like if they’d made Emma and Regina make out on the Jolly Roger or some shit.

Sigh. I’m getting angry all over again.

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Scenes That I Need Explained │ 2/?

I need a several things explained really:

1. Why does the camera immediately cut to Regina looking at Emma after what Snow says?

2. Why does Emma keep looking at her mother for a whole second after she says “look around you” as if afraid to actually look around?

3. Why does Emma then look down (and to the right) and then hesitantly look up at Regina?

4. Why does Regina look at Emma at all (this is a nitpick but it still had me curious)? 

5. Why does the editing make a clear distinction between “happy endings aren’t always what we think they’ll be” (camera cuts to Regina) and “you’ve touched the lives of everyone here” (camera cuts to Hook and then Neal)?

6. After Snow says “Happy endings aren’t always what we think they’ll be. Look around you, you’ve touched the lives of everyone here.” why does the editing make it a point to show that Emma only looked at one person? 

Parenting OUAT style
  • Snow: Hey, Granny, do you mind watching baby Neal for a bit?
  • Granny: Sure, when will you be back?
  • Snow: Not sure, we're sort of going to the underworld...
  • Granny: Say what?
  • David: We're going to the underworld, Emma needs our help.
  • Granny: Emma is a thirty year old woman, Neal is a baby.
  • Robin: Speaking of babies, can you watch my new born?
  • Granny: Er. Sure,I guess but where's the mother?
  • Regina: I zapped her back to Oz.
  • Granny: Riiiight. Do you want me to watch Henry too?
  • Emma: No, of course not. He's coming to the underworld with us.
  • Granny: This is a family show...right??

“Where are we?” Emma asked. “Am I dreaming?”

“Nah. If this were a dream, there’d be, like, talking doughnuts or something weird like that,” said the talking bagel.

I still think it’s funny that the writer’s have the characters say nice things about Neal  - but then make him look awful.

The latest side plot about destroying magic makes him look like shit.

Why?

1. Because Neal claimed sending Emma to jail was about fulfilling her destiny.But if Neal had destroyed magic, Emma likely would never have had a destiny to fulfill or a family to reunite with.

2. Neal destroying magic opens up a whole lot of questions about what he knew regarding what Tamara was up to. And makes his disregard for Emma’s concerns look even worse - especially since she was RIGHT!

3. It also reinforces that Neal’s actions were about avoiding his father, than helping Emma. Basically he was a coward and Emma paid for his cowardice.

They call him a hero - but he died because he tried to cheat the price of magic and take the easy way out. And it had nothing to do with what was best for Emma and Henry and entirely about what he wanted. Neal didn’t die a hero - he died a fool. I just wish the show would acknowledge that. And stop dragging down other characters trying to make the ass look good.

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This show a great diference between Neal and Hook. Neal let Henry disrespect his mother in front of her; Neal stayed silent. Hook in similar circunstances (even if Henry only said he was annoyed because her mother was not telling the truth), not only defended Emma, he tried also to comfort Henry. Emma was not here, so Hook was not trying to impress her. So don’t say that Killian is a bad father figure for Henry.

And don’t say that Neal has the right to be annoyed because Emma kept the trut from him; is a separated theme form Henry saying that to his mother. Neal didn’t need to tell the truth in that moment, only “Don’t talk like that to your mother” would have been enough.

Some observations from Twitter about the antis complaining:

1. It’s funny how they’re all of a sudden super concerned about Neal and how the writers shouldn’t let Henry do anything with Hook that might “replace” any moments he had with Neal. 

2. They like to claim that Emma doesn’t even have any rights to Henry because Regina is his sole legal parent–while conveniently ignoring the facts that (a) when the first curse was undone, Emma would’ve become Henry’s only legal parent; (b) Regina’s “adoption” of Henry was never legitimate to begin with due to fraudulent paperwork, no home study, etc.; and © that doesn’t particularly matter anyway because paperwork does not a family make, especially when the kid in question is old enough to form his own opinions on the subject.

3. But then they say something that I agree with wholeheartedly: Henry shouldn’t be spending time with a rapist. 

People should know by now that when put into a position of doing the right thing, Killian will never disappoint. 

When Pan told him the secret about Neal, the anti hook people were like HE’S NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING, HE’S GOING TO KEEP THE INFORMATION TO HIMSELF, and the very first scene of the next ep was him telling Snow & Charming. When his lips were cursed, he was backed into a corner and did what he thought was right to protect Emma, Henry & her family. There was no right or wrong answer in that scenario but, his heart made the heroic choice of putting his romantic feelings for Emma on hold and pushing her away just to protect her. When his heart was taken, he COULDN’T tell Emma b/c Rumple was controlling her but, he fought so hard against that control that he was able to break through and grasp Emma’s wrist tightly to let her know something was wrong.

He traded his ship to help Emma instead of choosing piracy, he fought against the darkness and won to save them all and destroy it for good (or so he thought), he gave Aurora back her heart instead of letting it be lost forever, he came back with the bean.

Killian Jones is a H E R O. He isn’t perfect. He’s flawed. He wears his heart on his sleeve and sometimes lets his anger get the best of him – but when push comes to shove, he will always make the heroic choice. He will always put the well being of others before himself.

And I pity people who are so blinded by hate and by his mistakes from when he was less of a man, that they fail to see how much he’s changed and what a wonderful friend and protector that Emma, Regina and the Charmings have on their side.

People who think Emma never had to work for her happy ending are just….not watching the same show???

Emma was an orphan, never truly caught a break, when she held onto the tiniest hope that this might be the right thing, she lost it. She lost her friend Lily, lost her foster family (over and over again) and she was thrown to jail by Neal and August, she gave birth alone, chained to a bed.

Emma literally never got to just have a break and be happy, she met her family and things have never stopped being crazy, she never had time alone for herself.

She finds love and even then nothing is easy, she can’t have a date without interruption.

Emma never had to work for her happy ending, I would say she is the one with the biggest weight on her shoulder, she is supposed to save everyone, to help everyone.

Who helps her ? Who takes care of her ?

Emma is the one who can’t have a moment for herself, she is not allowed to be selfless. It is why she cried when Killian told her it was her, it is why she was afraid to say I love you, because she didn’t want to lose this happiness and this feeling.

Nobody deserves it more than Emma.

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Neal: Emma?

Emma: Nice hoodie. Did you sleep in it?

Neal: Shouldn’t you be on your honeymoon?

Emma: I couldn’t go through with it. You were right.

Neal: You finally figured out that Killian’s an ass? Shit. Emma, I’m sorry. It’s none of my business.

Emma: Actually I did figure out that Killian had been less than forthcoming about a lot of things. But that’s not why I didn’t marry him.

Neal: Emma, what are you saying?

Emma: I guess I’m trying to say that I couldn’t marry another man while I’m still in love with you.

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I love this moment, and I love Killian even more after rewatching it.

Because in all this thing with Neal, Killian is the one to support Emma’s feelings. Killian said that he is backing off: to Emma and Neal to be a pairing again or to mend their problems /clear their situation for Henry’s sake that did not really mean them being together again? I support more the second option.

Coming back to Emma’s feelings: everyone is pushing her to give Neal a new chance. But only Killian understand that Neal being back didn’t mean that Emma would want him back like a romantic partner; Killian is the the only to guess without Emma explicitely saying it that Neal abandoned her.

And look at Neal’s face: he know that Killian is right. Because is very probably that Emma would never want him back on a romantic way.

I find it admiring how in their relationship, Killian Jones has always given Emma Swan the power, letting her lead the dance. There is few men in the show who have given Emma full agency to choose in her life. August, Neal, Walsh, men have chosen a lot for her, taken decisions she should have been given the right to take.

She has been refused agency in too many relationships. Neal refused her a say, with what to do, what to say, he chose for her life, August did that too. Walsh lied to her on everything.

Emma never truly had any choices with the men she had been involved with and you have Killian Jones who leaves it to her to make the calls, to decide what they do and and set the pace.

It’s always her decision, she has the choice and she leads the dance, he would never force her into anything, he respects her agency and he would never take it away from her.

I just find it amazing and it’s so very much important.  

Sudden realization

I just remembered a thing from 3x20 “Kansas”.
When the heroes go saving baby Neal, they obviously have troubles because Zelena is controlling Rumple. Right before he is forced to hit Emma and Hook (and, please, notice how he’s obviously disgusted by the idea of hurting them, even though he’s facing Hook) he tells them “get the dagger and the Dark One will be on your side”.
He explicitly says “the Dark One”. He wants them to know that he’s totally on their side, but he can’t help them because he’s tied to the Dark One. The Dark One is enslaved to the dagger, but Rumplestiltskin is fighting it with all his strength, Rumplestiltskin desperately wants to be free of it.
He’s telling them that Rumplestiltskin and the Dark One are not the same thing.