and now moffat says

Ok, this is in reply to this thread started by @1895itsallfine that I can’t reblog because someone in it got me blocked (? I guess?).

It deals with the reasons why S4 went down as it did, why johnlock was abandoned after S3/TAB, and asks if the BBC or ACD trust are to blame.

I’d just like to chip in my 2 cents.

I don’t think so. The BBC produced things like London Spy. They don’t have an initial problem with gay characters. Most ACD stories are in the public domain. Allegedly, the BBC pays the trust anyway. Imagine the trust in 2017 taking the BBC to court because they made Holmes and Watson a gay couple on their show. The public outcry! It would fall back badly on the trust. There might have been a silent pay off instead. The BBC is not some small player, it’s one of the biggest TV corporations in the world. If they wanted to, they could have taken on the ACD trust.

Of course, there’s always politics to consider. The BBC gets critizised by the Torie government a lot. The head of drama changed. And one fandom theory goes that it would be such a big scandal/secret to make Holmes and Watson gay that it was something that had to be fought for, that it was controversial and probably a big reveal, that perhaps some people high up were against it. Which I never understood.

Honestly, I think the first misconception of parts of the fandom - and especially tjlc - was that it would be a BIG thing to make Holmes and Watson a gay couple on a Britsh TV show. It might be in Russia, or China - but not in Western Europe in 2009. It just isn’t. If they wanted to, they could have done it - and no one could have stopped them. But they didn’t want to go there in the first place. That was the second misconception of the fandom (but it was not without reason, it was deliberately fed).

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anonymous asked:

Lord help me. Ok so not only are there people now saying they'll boycott Doctor Who due to their apparent use of "Bury Your Gays" (which I don't think applies yet as 90% chance Bill comes back), but there are literally people who have not seen the show ever or in at least seasons who have heard about it second/third hand who are now complaining about it and saying they hate Moffat. Can the man never win?

He can never win, people will hate him either way, i mean:

Scenario 1: Bill dies - people will complain about the Dead Lesbian Trope

Scenario 2: Bill survives - people will complain about Moffat not being able to kill characters /permanently/ without bringing them back to life (I also heard this complaint lots of times)

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The Doctor and Clara both have difficulty, as characters, at saying ‘you are massively important to me, you’re the most important person in my life.’ They can’t actually say that.

We are (married), in fact, but I wiped it from your memory.
— 

River Song, The Husbands of River Song.

Does anyone think of what might happen between Clara and 12th Doctor in the Cloister? 

Because, 

I do.

You have to hand it to the Doctor for dumping a slightly clingy girlfriend by palming her off on a copy of himself. He tried leaving her in a parallel universe, and that didn’t work.

I finished that vid about sherlock yesterday and I’m so happy I’ve never seen someone explain so accurately how I feel about these shows under moffat as well as this kid did

invisiblerobotgirl replied to your post “You know what is kinda sad? ( but also super cool and one of the…”

Julie Gardner is TOTALLY the biggest Doctor/Rose shipper of them all. Everyone else plays it close to the vest when worried about offending fans and Julie’s remains all “HE LOVES HER OMG AND SHE LOVES HIM AND THEY LOVE EACH OTHER FOREVER. FIGHT ME.”

No but really. See this quote (from this post) about Tentoo telling Rose he loves her:

“He absolutely was going to say it. I can confirm for the nation - stop! [directed at RTD, who was trying to interrupt her, saying ‘you can’t know! you can’t say that for a fact!’] - I can! For the viewer, he was going to say it. He was going to tell her he loved her, I will not have it any other way.”

(gif from same post)

@the-darkgod said:

i think it was more leaving the door open for chibnal if he wanted to bring back bill but also not leaving her without and ending if he doesnt - if i remember correctly i dont think theyve announced conclusively whether or not shes coming back (and you know doctor who loves to leave things unknown until the last minute)

yeah, i kinda thought that, too (it would be excellent if chibnall brought her back; she deserves another season), but moffat can sometimes be proprietary about his characters, and it would make sense if he wanted her in the christmas special

there was all that news about “moffat confirms pearl mackie leaving,” but that was just moffat saying that she was a cyberman now, and, well. we know how that turned out

  • BBC Sherlock's Irene Adler: *is a lesbian*
  • Moffat: You're in love with Sherlock now because PLOT TWIST.
  • Stephen Fry: *is gay*
  • Moffat: You married River Song now because I feel like saying you did.
  • Moffat Minions: You are amazing, Moffat. Wow, never done anything bad in your life.

i know that doctor who gets a lot of shit for the bad writing and the annoying fandom, but the pre-moffat era of the newer series actually had a whole lot of genuine charm and whimsy to offer and now that the reign of moffat has ended, i’m not saying i’m gonna go back to my whovian ways, but i might just stick my nose back in

There are two options:

1) Moffat and Gatiss are telling the truth right now, saying they’ve always seen Sherlock in love as a joke and deliberately played with subtext as a joke, and that they’ve been lying for seven years in interviews, bts footage, their writing, and to their staff about what their vision is

OR

2) They are keeping the biggest secret of their careers right now and can’t afford anyone to find out, are purposefully instigating audience reactions because they’re cruel and want people to beg for what’s right narratively speaking, and choosing to recreate Doyle’s phenomenon surrounding The Final Problem in 1893, because they are arrogant enough to want to follow in those footsteps simply because they can.

i’m still not believing one thing moffat says because right now he’s literally contradicting everything he’s ever said

  • “it’s not a detective show, it’s a show about a detective” vs “and they carried on solving crimes on baker street forever”
  • “we think everyone’s been getting it wrong, and we think we can get it right” vs “if we ever make it anymore, it will be about two blokes in their mid-40s, which is the more traditional sherlock holmes”
  • “we plotted out the whole of series 4 and 5″ vs “there isn’t something we have to come back to address”

so when moffat said “it doesn’t reflect the fact that there’s going to be a fourth episode – for heaven’s sake, what kind of secrets do you think we’re keeping?! let’s go home and check. oh look episode four… the lost special…” i’m heavily inclined to think that’s a lie too.

not just because ‘the lost special’ is yet another doyle story reference. but particularly because he said that before there ever was a rumour of there being a fourth episode. at the bfi q&a for tfp. you know. the q&a where press and people who work for the bbc were in attendance.

For I have taken you away. Away from the light, and into the darkness

Hello and welcome to Time Matrix Tuesdays. This week we are focusing on a new character recently brought to Doctor Who and we think we might have cracked the particular character.

While watching Into the Dalek waiting for the Missy to scene to arrive, something kept nagging me about Missy. I didn’t know what it was until she popped on my screen and then I knew what it was - it was her choker. I remembered reading a theory that went to say that the writer thought her choker was a silhouette of Persephone. And with that one thought, my brain went haywire.

First her name, Missy. Missy comes from the Greek name Melissa, a princess in Greek mythology. It means bee - the myth comes from the nymph that fed baby Zeus honey while he was hidden from Kronos. At the death of Melissa, Zeus turned her into a honey bee for caring for him while he was a child. Melissa was the daughter Melissus of Crete, the leader of Crete, the largest island of the Greek islands. Melissus was the eldest and the leader of nine Kuretes or dancers who worshiped Rhea, Kronos’ wife and Zeus’ mother.

Let’s now quickly break the title Missy has that Moffat has teased - The Gatekeeper of the Nethersphere. Now nether means “underground” and sphere means “globe.” But Gatekeeper is where the mythology comes back into play. In the Iliad, the Hora or Horae are the guardians of the gates of Olympus. They are said to be the child of Zeus and Themis. Themis is a Titaness who stands for good order, justice, peace and of good counsel. They later became known as Hours - standing for time.

Now let’s get into Persephone a little. She’s known as the Queen of the Underworld and the wife of Hades. Her story goes that Hades was so in love with her that he stole her from Earth and brought her down to the Underworld. Demeter, her mother, went looking off of Earth and while she was gone the Earth stopped growing. Plants started to die, which is where winter came from. Finally Demeter found her daughter but Persephone had already ate the fruit of the Underworld and could not leave. Hades and Demeter came to an agreement that Persephone would spend spring, summer and the harvest with her mother and the rest of time with her husband. 

Persephone is usually pictured in art with a scepter. Her names means “to bring (or cause) death” and she’s associated with bats and the fruit of the Underworld, pomegranates. In Greek mythology, Persephone is known as a Chthonic deity. Chthonic means in Greek in, under or beneath the earth. Persephone has received euphemistically names but there is only two that matter to Missy and this post right now. Melindia or Melinona means honey and Despoina or mistress or mistress of the house.

How does this pertain to Missy, you ask? Well Missy seems to bring around the dead to “Heaven” while carrying around an umbrella. Sounds a lot like Persephone bringing about dead and being painted with a scepter. Now I’m not saying Moffat and the writers are bringing about goddesses into Doctor Who but I am saying she’s based on her and her “boyfriend” is based on Hades. Her boyfriend you may ask? The Master. 

More to come when we know more. 

TO RECAP:

  • Missy means bee in Greek
  • Gatekeeper comes from the Hora - or Hours - who where the guardians of the gates of Olympus
  • Persephone means “to bring (or cause) death”
  • Persephone’s other names Melindia and Desponia means honey and mistress.

Let us know what you guys think. We know this is a little crazy but hopefully you guys could follow along. If you have any questions or comments, leave them here and we will answer as soon as we can. We hope you guys enjoy Time Matrix Tuesdays & we can’t wait to take this journey with you.

Goodbye Sweeties,

Izzy & Erin

Welcome to White Fail

starring Benadryl Cabbagepatch as three eyes white cecil.

Mark Ruffalo as pasty carl.

Cecilos is loudly implied and never becomes canon because lol it’s not like they’re gay or anything silly fandom~~~~~

Adapted for screen by Steven Moffat. Also now Dana carries a gun and is fiESTY. She says she is a lesbian at first but then becomes Cecil’s love interest because true love transcends silly things like gender also have i mentioned how completely not gay the male leads are?

highest rating show in desert bluffs.

no more bad timing
  • (Deep Breath)
  • Doctor: Clara, I'm not your boyfriend.
  • Clara: I never thought you were.
  • Doctor: I never said it was your mistake.
  • (Hell Bent)
  • Clara: People like me and you. We should say things to one another. And we should say them now.