and i really wonder how their relationship evolved

today i got to talk about kabby with jason rothenberg and i died, here’s the transcript of my death

CLAIRE: “My favorite characters on the show are Kane and Abby.  I’ve been loving watching their relationship evolve this season; I’m loving the romance, but also Kane evolving as a leader and Abby sort of coming back into her own as like the doctor hero is super exciting.  But one of the questions I’ve always kind of wondered – “

JASON: “She’s really into shocklashing.” [laughter] “I’m sure I’ll get in trouble for that.  It was a joke, Twitter, it was a joke!”

CLAIRE: (innocently) “I’m sure there’s fanfic about that.”  [hysterical laughter from Erin who knows I’m trash] “So, my question is, I’m wondering [about] how you guys have evolved their relationship, at what point did you decide, ‘oh, maybe it should go this romantic direction,’ did that sort of evolve out of Paige and Ian or was that on paper from the beginning?  … It’s such a beautifully, deftly built relationship from the pilot on, and I’m just so curious about what that process was.”

JASON: “That’s a really good question. Also a hard question.  I’m trying to remember at what point I said, ‘yeah, let’s pursue that romantic storyline.’  I mean from the beginning they were certainly polar opposites, represented as early as the pilot, I remember the scene where he says ‘If I have to take us down to a cosmic Adam and Eve to save the human race I will,’ and she says, ‘I’m going to do whatever I have to do to make sure we DESERVE to stay alive’ – I totally butchered those lines just there – but they were on the opposite sides, you know?  And obviously, obviously, Kane has evolved quite a lot, and learned the hard way I guess certain ramifications of being that hard-line in his early attitudes.  Being wrong about the earth’s survivability, after having advocated for the Culling, sort of changed him in ways that are still with him for sure.  And so, you know, I think it was a process. 

I think, like everything, you start making a show, and Ian Cusick is so good and Paige Turco is so good and they’re so good together, and a lot of it is because they’re adversarial, you know?  We see sparks between them because there’s conflict in those scenes.  They’re both intelligent and … they’re both arguing for their perspectives all the time, and eventually that chemistry bleeds into the writing …  And so the answer to your question is, I really can’t remember when I decided that, yeah, that should happen, but I mean, I see the same thing that you see … It makes total sense, by the way.  They’re both awesome, and they’re both passionate and compassionate, and I think she’s really taught him how to be a better man.  That’s what we all want out of our significant others.”

Claire: “What a good answer! I’m so happy.”

Erin: “Claire is just OVER THE MOON right now.”

Jason: “Good!  Good.  I love that relationship too. And you know what else, I have to say, they’re in their fifties, and it’s on The CW, and fucking A we’ve got one of the best romantic relationships on television over fifty, and I’m not sure that’s been done before. I’m about to turn fifty, so I’m here to tell you we still have feelings, even romantically.”

Claire: “That’s something I think is really important, both in terms of like varying the kinds of stories the show is telling, but also, you know, I think especially for women over a certain age, allowing them to be romantic and sexual and desired and continuing to own that power after they’ve aged out of being, like, starlets, I think is really important as a part of the representation question of how are women depicted on television.”

Jason: “When I first set out on my journey with this show, it was very important to me to tell stories with Jaha, Kane and Abby on the Ark.  That was the sort of ‘Upstairs Downstairs’ of Season 1 …  And we’ve definitely continued [the emphasis on adult characters] through, for sure.  They’re great actors, and they added a sort of legitimacy and credibility to the show, too … the show has a surprisingly old demographic.  It’s not just watched by kids … the actual demographic as reported by Nielsen is much older than you’d expect.  A lot of the people who watch the show are in their forties and fifties.”

Okay, I really don’t care if I get hate over this, but since I’ve seen this point so many times the past few days, I feel like I have to say something.

People have been saying that shipping canonically underage characters with older characters is “harming” actual children or csa survivors, regardless of the character’s age in an artist or writer’s rendition. The reasoning behind that statement implies that the fandom still pictures the underage character when they read the story, because that is how they are in canon, and it is impossible to divorce that image from a fan’s work.

I’m sorry, but that logic is flawed and entirely invalid. It really makes me wonder if the people commenting even know how creative derivation works. The majority or writers and artists don’t “age” a character just to so they can post something that would otherwise be against the rules, they are genuinely interested in exploring how canon events would affect a character’s transition into adulthood and the relationships that may or may not evolve with them. Fictional characters can grow and change within a narrative, even if that narrative isn’t present in  canon. That’s pretty much the whole point of fan-art and fan-fiction. In the confines of that story or picture, they are an adult, and if you see a 12 year old instead, that is not our problem.

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