and Gamzee grows up so pretty

while im on the subject of Earthbounds homestuck influences btw

[Earthbound and Mother 3 Spoilers but honestly if you havent played them already go…do that??? what are you waiting for???]

whenever anyone says “but what if Homestuck is a tragedy/sadstuck and the kids are doomed & stuck in the juju” its made obvious to me they havent engaged with either Earthbound or Mother 3

the similarities between them are. really apparent. Maybe I should scrounge up some screenshots and make a post about it or something but like

Both Earthbound and Mother 3 build up their stakes to ones of monumental, immutable Doom up to the very last second before suddenly giving way to pretty damn happy and positive endings–and Mother 3 does so in an explicitly metatextual way

Homestuck is not cynical or cruel to it’s characters for fun. The viciousness and cruelty with which they’re treated is ultimately almost all sourced in the cultural and metaphysical influence of it’s central antagonists–Caliborn and Gamzee. 

Caliborn and Gamzee (along with the other two components of LE) are also defined by being stunted and immature and unable to grow, and Lord English himself is pretty much a megalomaniacal manchild-as-cosmic-horror fascist who reshapes entire worlds in his own image. 

All of which he has in common with…

Pokey Minch, also a character stunted in warped, eternal youth who values power above all else and sets up a fascist utopia themed after him in New Pork City. Both characters spread the majority of their negative influence through culture and ideas. 

MOST Homestuck characters– even Eridan, who is regarded as an unabashed bastard– are treated with a measure of hope and optimism for their capacity to grow and change, and that’s because Homestuck fundamentally believes in.

This is why I can’t see Vriska or Eridan as comparable to Gamzee. What sets true evil apart in Homestuck’s universe is not the particular evil actions of an individual, but an intrinsic unwillingness to change or grow. 

The list goes on–Mother 3, like Homestuck, is set in a post-apocalypse and leads into another apocalyptic, “Rapture”-like event after which we only see the characters in tiny snippets of time (I’m pretty sure we only see like a single animation of Lucas grown up, if that much?).

God like THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF EARTHBOUND AND MOTHER ARE “KIDS WITH PSYCHIC POWERS SAVE THE WORLD AND MAKE FRIENDSHIPS” LIKE…thats the core of the classpect system. Thats the core of all the troll psychic powers–EVERYTHING about Homestuck’s universe is built on that concept.

like. i could go on about this all day and probably will someday, for now the point is

Homestuck is not a tragedy. The kids are fine. The Juju situation is perfectly in keeping with the general modus operandi of this series, and Homestuck’s entire narrative has been about setting those hopeless conflicts up and then having the kids find a way out. 

Also go FUCKING play mother 3 it’s the best game ever made 

this post comes courtesy of @schafpudel asking me about the Earthbound part of that video I made on Homestuck’s influences on Undertale and now im all emotional about the Mother series which is a welcome swing from the immobile depression i was experiencing before so thanks they’re cool 

anonymous asked:

umm im sorry but gamkar IS kind of abusive..

uh???

UH??????

UH???????????????

NO IT ISN’T.

There are absolutely NO in comic implications of Gamkar being abusive. People decide ‘Oh the situation with Gamzee and Terezi makes it alright to glorify the FUCK out of abuse as long as it’s with Gamzee’ and that’s like, really really gross…

There’s nothing to even suggest there being abuse, and I’m honestly really fucking sickened by the glorification of abuse that I see spread around in this fandom like I’ve dealt with actual real life abuse and HOLY SHIT it isn’t fun and people romanticize it A LOT. And running around making ships that have never actually been abusive into that is really tiring and I’m sick of seeing it, specifically with a ship which I tend to go to when I feel shitty.

Is gamkar an especially healthy depiction of the pale quadrant? Absolutely not. There are a lot of issues they have, obviously. But that doesn’t mean that people need to pin it down as abusive simply because they don’t like Gamzee.

We don’t even know enough about their break up to know what happened. Karkat said he figured that Gamzee DIDN’T NEED HIM ANYMORE. And so far as I can see, that’s got to be something pretty popular in the pale quadrant. If a troll can get their shit together they can grow from their moirail. That’s not abusive at all so uh?? That isn’t what happened with Gamzee, but until recent events it sounds like that’s what Karkat THOUGHT.

They have a really broken ex relationship and they’ve both done shit to ruin it but abuse never played a part of that and I’m personally really sick of seeing it passed off as an alright thing. Sorry, I don’t like dealing with that kind of thing outside of my personal life and I don’t like seeing Gamzee being turned into that glorified ‘psychopath rapist’ trope and just

UGH

ladyartemace  asked:

Ok I'm sorry if I'm being dumb but I'm a little confused- in these flashbacks, does Karkat like Terezi or does he like Gamzee? Because he told Terezi not to "tell him" but then Terezi agreed with Gamzee that Karkat liked her. Or was she holding back? Sorry again, I just realized that I didn't really know what was going on.

/It’s okay! It is pretty complicated, that’s my fault.

So, it goes like this.

Karkat has ALWaYS had a crush on Terezi. Even when they were growing up together. And Terezi liked him back, but it was never in their best interests to be together, so they stayed friends(friends who really liked each other, but never made a move, ya’ know?) In high school, Karkat comes out to Terezi about his sexuality(she’s dating Dave at this point, so Karkat tries to dial down his feelings for her out of respect), and tells her he’s starting to feel attracted to Gamzee (high school, various crushes, raging hormones, you know the drill lol). But she’s sworn to secrecy, because for all he knows, Gamzee is straight as a ruler(he’s not HAHA). So, yeah, she knows that Karkat has deep feelings for her, and she knows that he has a pretty big crush on Gamzee now too. Unnecessary love traingle/square/polygonorwhatever? Abso-fucking-lutely. HAHAHA.