Remember that episode where Dean traveled back in time and met Eliot Ness? Remember how he fangirled over him? Well Misha Collins, aka Castiel, is playing Eliot Ness in Timeless, which is also be Eric Kripke. So now imagine Dean fangirling over Eliot ness played by Misha. Or imagine Dean fangirling over Cas dressed as Eliot Ness. Take your pick.
I also prefer the post-Kripke seasons. While I consider season 1-3 to be the golden age of Supernatural, I find myself preferring to rewatch the episodes after the Kripke era.
Me too! I liked the first 3 enough to keep watching, but 4 really got me into it, and when I rewatch, I go from Swan Song on. Sometimes just from 8 on but when I watch from the beginning, I get itchy to get out of S3 LOL
The work everyone did on “The Pilot” was phenomenal, so it’s no surprise Supernatural got picked up for a series. At that point, according to Kripke, the studio said he needed to partner with an executive producer with production experience. They paired him with Robert Singer, which Kripke describes as being “like an arranged marriage, because you’re going to be working more closely with that person than anyone else. It’s worked out beyond both of our expectations.” Robert Singer concurs. “We’re very much of the same mind, Eric and I, and I think that he fills in certain gaps I have and I fill in certain gaps he has. Kripke feels Singer doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves for the complexity he brings to the show when filling in those gaps. "He is the one who really demands the characters have depth.”
The studio also wanted Kripke to bring in someone to help build the mythology, to build stories, to work with the writers, so “David [Nutter] told Eric, ‘Get Shiban in here,’ remembers co-executive producer John Shiban. "So we met and immediately clicked.” Shiban brought years of The X-Files experience to the table, and with regards to mythology, he posed the question, “Can you build a boat that will still float, but without all its pieces? Because … there are discoveries that are going to be made along the way, there’ll be characters that you stumble on.” The idea of Meg, who turned out to be very central to the mythology as an undercover demon, was a perfect example of that.
They started hiring staff writers as soon as the series was picked up, and Kripke hit the ground running, ready to dive into the lore he adores. “I showed up the first day of work with eighty urban legends that were my favorites.” For the first batch of episodes, the legends tended to come first. “I had a pile that I really wanted to do,” Kripke explains. “The storylines of the boys came later. But once we realized how good they were and the depth of storytelling we could tell about them, we really began to focus more on what their issues were, and what interesting story we wanted to tell about them.
With their focus flipped, they started to only use urban legends that fit with the boys’ story. And Kripke thinks the second half of season one was better than the first half because of that.
Knight, Nicholas. Supernatural: The Official Companion Season One. Titan Books, 2007: 12-13.
I don't really understand people who deny that there's more between Cas and Dean. There's a /reason/ why I think Dean has more than just platonic feelings for Cas. In Fan Fiction Sam jokes about Sastiel but Dean denies/doesn't joke about it. I think friends would just joke about that, unless they have something to hide. I know that some people feel uncomfortable in these situations but if he /had/joked about that, then well people would think they're just friends. I know this is very off topic!
It’s not off topic, it’s actually something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately.
People who deny it seem to think that shippers are viewing the show through shipping goggles but it’s not just shippers who are seeing it. I’ve read countless posts/tags that say “I don’t ship it but the subtext is obviously there.” Several entertainment news reporters have published articles that talk about the romantic subtext surrounding Dean and Cas. Journalists need to maintain a good reputation in order to keep getting work, they’re not going to publish an article that was written with shipping goggles on. If the professionals are saying that Destiel subtext exists then it does. Journalists and non-shippers have no motivation view the show through shipping goggles.
As for why certain people don’t see it, sometimes people ignore the subtext they don’t like. Supernatural has been on the air for 10 years, people develop their own impressions of the characters. If someone has a firm belief that Dean is straight then they’re going to ignore any subtext that contradicts that. One argument I see is that Dean has to be straight because Kripke made him straight when he created the character, so let’s talk a little bit about how the show has developed.
When Supernatural was in the planning process they discussed what kind of creatures should be in this universe. Someone suggested angels but Kripke shot that idea down immediately. For three years various writers kept bringing up angels and Kripke always said no, that they didn’t fit in the Supernatural universe. Then someone gave him an old poem about angels, which led to him looking into scripture about angels. He realized that angels hadn’t always fit our modern stereotypes for them. Angels in scripture were warriors that followed the orders of heaven and those orders often resulted in human suffering. Kripke walked into the season 4 planning meeting and said “Angels, but they’re dicks.”
That’s how writing works. Sometimes the idea you dismissed in the beginning will end up being a major part of your story. When Kripke sat down to create Supernatural he firmly believed that angels had no place in it. They’ve now been a part of the plot for 7 seasons. If he hadn’t changed his mind on angels we never would have gotten the golden season 5 and Supernatural might have been cancelled long ago.
It’s true that when Kripke created Dean he saw him as straight but character visions can change over time. Kripke’s also said that he created Dean to have the “devil-may-care swagger of Han Solo.” Ten years later and a major part of Dean’s personality is that he cares too much, to the point where his emotions would be crippling if he didn’t bury them down and cover them in alcohol. The swagger is mostly gone, it still pops up from time to time but we’re now more likely to see Dean being worried or emotional than to see him with a devil-may-care attitude. Dean has changed from Kripke’s original vision because people change over the course of a decade. Also, Kripke isn’t the only one writing Dean, other people have helped shape the character and continue to develop him.
Supernatural is using Destiel subtext, even journalists and non-shippers can see it. What we don’t know is if the subtext is going to lead to anything. It’s possible that the powers that be still view Dean as straight and are putting in that subtext as queer baiting. It’s also possible that the original vision of Dean’s sexuality has changed and they’re foreshadowing that Dean and Cas will be entering a romantic relationship.