Reasons I’d watch a Cisco and Cynthia spin off (ideally some sort of mini-series of 3-12 episodes maybe over the summer or something that would be rad)
1. Travel the multiverse.
2. Doppelgangers get just about every arrowverse actor to show up without actually having to worry about messing with their character arcs in their home shows. Actors get to stretch their acting chops and we all get to enjoy the heck out of it.
3. Potential musical universe. I won’t even pretend I don’t want this.
4. Cisco and Cynthia both have really strong personalities. We’ve only gotten 3 episodes of them, but Cynthia’s kinda aggressive standpoint of “this is Right and this is Wrong” balanced against Cisco’s empathetic ability to understand other people’s perspectives could–
5. –make for some wicked character arcs where Cynthia learns over the course of the show to balance what’s Right or Wrong as she sees it against what’s actually reasonable to all these different cultures they come across; and Cisco has to face a decision in the climax where the Right way feels wrong and the Wrong way feels right (preferably not kill or be killed cause thats old and doesn’t really fit Cisco) and there’s no apparent third way out and it could all end where either Cisco has to make a choice and carry that back into the main arrowverse after the miniseries is over or Cynthia and her own character development works with him and they find that third way and they macgyver themselves a happy ending
6. screen time and development for two of DC comic’s biggest nobodies (because I love them but try bringing either of them up to a non-DC fan. or even a DC fan.)
While I’m at it, did you guys know that Luke’s daughter with Jessica is called Daniele in a homage to Danny Rand? In the comics Luke and Danny start as rivals and then become very good friends, a dynamic duo called Powerman & Iron Fist (Heroes For Hire). Danny is also the Godfather of Daniele <3 By the way, their ship used to be called ‘powerfist’
So proud of Danny in the Defenders... He was my favorite. His fights were a huge improvement from his show, I loved them all! What do you think about Danny this season?
Danny was a rockstar in this show. As Daredevil bloggers, we’re contractually obligated to say that Matt was our favorite… but well… we loved every second of Danny’s journey, and the wait for Season 2 is going to be very long indeed. We really enjoyed the fights in Iron Fist, but we agree that they were awesome in The Defenders– particularly with the addition of those glorious Luke/Danny tag-teams! If you don’t mind, we’re going to take this as an excuse to do a deep dive into Danny’s Defenders arc.
do you have any recommendations which comics to read with Luke Cage and Danny Rand?
Dude, I’m so glad you asked. But You might want to sit down for this, get comfortable, because it could take a while…
LET ME LEARN YA A THING!
So when it comes to Luke Cage and Danny Rand, you’ll have to make a decision whether you are willing to entertain the inherent ridiculousness that is Bronze Age Comics. Which is to say, Comics that still had a lot of the silly idealism and cliches of the Silver Age Comics, but trying really hard to make itself gritty and edgy. Oooh, so hip with the young people in 1975!
If you decide that you are game to venture back into archives of how Danny and Luke got their start, then I have some recommendations:
☑ Power Man vol 1, #48 (1977) - “First of Iron – Heart of Stone!”
Behold! The infamous First Meeting of Luke Cage and Danny Rand! This story is also the first time Luke will interact with the Daughters of the Dragon, and it somewhat sets the foundation for his and Rand’s future friendship. (But he starts out by beating on poor Danny, oops!)
☑ Power Man vol 1, #49 (1978) - “Seagate is a Lonely Place to Die!”
After Luke has finally calmed down from punching all his future friends, he enlists their help to overcome the man who blackmailed him into such violence in the first place. This book is the original unaccredited team up of the Heroes for Hire foursome. It also is the moment that Luke clears his name and no longer must hide his identity
☑ Power Man And Iron Fist vol 1, #50 (1978) - “Freedom!”
So, following the success of Danny and Luke’s team up, the writers at Marvel decided to change Luke’s standalone title from “Power Man” to “Power Man and Iron Fist” and begin chronicling the two buddies as a crime-fighting duo. This issue lays the groundwork of their partnership and also delves into Luke’s origin story. (p.s. this is also the issue where Luke and Claire Temple break up, omg! )
These are all great issues that give context to the following years and years of companionship shared between Luke and Danny. There are other stand out moments in the ‘Power Man and Iron Fist’ original title, but I can guarantee the books won’t be easy to locate.
Some other iconic issues:
Power Man and Iron Fist vol 1, #81 - #82 (1982) - “The Road to Halwan”
This is a ridiculous story arc, but it is so in character for Luke and Danny that I had to include it. It involves some the great ‘everyday life’ aspects of being in business as a hero with your best bud, plus assassins, plus Luke and Danny disguised as part of a harem. Seriously, just… it’s great, ok?
Power Man and Iron Fist vol 1, #99 - #100 (1984) - “Soul Games!”
Danny and Luke face off against Ward Meachum, and Master Khan. This was a milestone issue, so the whole gang is present for this event, and it’s pretty epic
Power Man and Iron Fist vol 1, #125 (1985) - “Hardball”
This is the final issue of Power Man and Iron Fist, and in it, Danny is presumed dead while Luke is accused of being his murderer. There is a rare moment of emotion in this book as Misty and Luke both experience the loss of their dear friend. The book itself ends in a way I don’t really find satisfying, and then it is literally a decade before you see Danny and Luke together in a book again.
Moving into more modern comics, I have a mishmash of recommendations that will build an understanding of Danny and Luke’s friendship, both as cohorts of some of our favorite people (Daredevil, Captain America, Spider Man, etc) and when they were at their most tested. Which of course means the inclusion of one Jessica Jones.
Let’s start with….
Daredevil vol 2, #38, #59, #60
After the title “Power Man and Iron Fist” finally came to a close in the late 1980s, opportunities to see Danny and Luke work together became kind of rare. So these reccommendations are simply random issues of Daredevil in which Luke and Danny play supporting roles to the main hero. Evenso, I consider them badass and the art utterly beautiful.
Secret War #1 (2004) - “Book One”
At the beginning of the Secret War (Not to be confused with Secret Wars)story arc, Jess is newly pregnant with Luke’s child and only just moved into his apartment. I don’t think we’ve even seen her interact with Danny Rand up to this point, but when Luke is blown to hell by an attack, the two most important people in his life come together…. and it’s not all broship and rainbows, let’s just say that. This issue doesn’t necessarily feature a lot of Rand and Cage, but it shows how much Danny cares for Luke, the lengths he’ll go to in order to ensure his safety
The Pulse vol 1, #6 and #9 (2005) - “The Secret War”
The Secret War Storyline continues for Luke and Danny in Pulse, which rehashes the events of Secret War #1 and holds the real ‘meat and potatoes’ of the turmoil surrounding Luke’s injuries and Danny’s desire to protect him. While Jessica is trying to get a hold of Matt Murdock and dealing with a whole series of crisis, Danny hides Luke’s still healing body away from everyone (Jessica included). I’ve cited books #6 and #9 because those are the books that feature Danny. The time in between is basically a chronicle of Jessica’s frantic/angry search for answers and her missing lover. Issue #9 features their reunion, some real talk between Jess and Danny, and a very important moment of understanding that will shape all three characters over the years.
The Immortal Iron Fist vol 1, #2, #5 - #6, #12 - #14, #16 (2006 - 2007)
Immortal Iron Fist is a great book for character development of Danny. Luke makes occasional appears, in which his purpose is literally always to save Rand’s stupid ass from trouble. I like it though, it’s like a more modern version of what we saw in older Power Man and Iron Fist comics. And the art is great! (p.s. #16 is a fairly important series of moments in Danny’s life, including his fresh partnership with Luke as an employee of Rand Industries. )
☑ New Avengers vol 1, #22 - #23 (2006)
Civil War, as I’m sure you know, divided the entire Marvel Universe and sent a great many heroes into hiding. Right in the middle of it was Luke and Danny, both supporting Captain America as members of his ‘Secret Avengers.’ Danny, at this time, is posing as Daredevil (something he will eventually suffer for greatly) to confuse authorities who have apprehended Matt Murdock as the supposed vigilante. These books are important in how they portray Luke as a hero who is unwilling to compromise the civil liberties of the people he protects, and in how both he and Danny face down the coming storm.
☑ Civil War vol 1, #2 - #5 (2007)
More Civil War Storyline information. This book overlaps with New Avengers vol 1 in that it details the actions of Cap’s Secret Avengers group. Still posing as Daredevil, Danny is captured by Tony Stark in issue #5, which kind of ends his and Luke’s time together on that team. I actually hate these books, and most of Civil War, for what it did to the characters I love, but I feel it’s important to point out just what Danny and Luke were doing at this very tumultuous time.
New Avengers vol 2 (2010 - 2011)
HELLO MOTHERLOAD. This book, ugghhh. You’ll note I didn’t put a specific issue. Why? Because they’re all great! The New Avengers is the infamous book where Cap makes Luke leader of the Avengers, Tony sells Luke the Avengers Mansion for one dollar (that he borrows off Danny!), and they all become a family/team again! The book does focus more on Luke’s relationship with his now wife, Jessica, but there are golden moments of Luke and Danny being their typical selves. Just…. Read it all!
Which brings us to current events, the universe reboot by Marvel, and what Danny and Luke are up to now. Which, of course, means…
Power Man and Iron Fist vol 2!!!! (2016)
This book is currently only three issues in, but it captures the tone of Luke and Danny’s friendship quite well. The art is by Sandford Greene and I just love where it’s going, there really is no losing with this book!! If you don’t want to be arsed in hunting down all the previous books I’ve mentioned, then my recommendation to you is to just start reading THIS. It’ll help you understand the PowerFist friendship about as well as anything!
So! As for my knowledge of these two heroes and how they relate to one another, that about covers it! I have a few amazing Iron Fists that follow me, and if they have any volumes or books to add, then I would welcome their input.
Just don’t Mention Shadowlands to me because I hate that little buttface, Victor Alverez. #NotMyPowerMan
Anyhow, I hope this helps you in your interest with these amazing heroes. Please let me know if you have any other questions :)
• Misty Knights bionic arm
• Matt Murdock clearing Luke’s name
• Spider-Man being part The Defenders (seen as though he also fights crime in New York)
• Elektra in The Defenders
• A heroes for hire TV show with Luke Cage and Iron Fist
• Trish becoming Hellcat in Jessica Jones S2
• A remake of Bullseye for Daredevil S3
• Agents of Shield characters making cameos
• A BLACK WIDOW & HAWKEYE TV SHOW
• Claire Temple becoming the Night Nurse
• Madam Gao being badass
• Finally, Tony Stark recruiting the Defenders for Infinity war.
I'm still only just digging deeper into the comics stuff, I've barely read any, due to not being able to find many. But I keep seeing references around/people bringing up the part of Danny and misty's relationship where they break up (and also Misty having a miscarriage(?)) and was wondering what comic that was in. I'm also wondering if you have any favorite comics for happier Misty/Danny moments, as I'd like to read that as well.
Welcome to the wonderful world of comics! For Marvel, if you’re having trouble getting your hands on physical issues, we recommend getting a Marvel Unlimited account. It’s relatively cheap, and gives you access to massive amounts of material. Comixology is another great resource, and you can also buy digital comics from most of the individual companies’ websites. (For anyone not in the U.S. the situation is a little trickier, but from what we know, these sites should still be accessible from most places.)
As far as Misty and Danny’s baby is concerned, it’s not a miscarriage– it’s a chi of Shou-Lao-induced false pregnancy, and it doesn’t even happen on-panel. It’s first mentioned in a flashback in I Am An Avenger #1.
Danny: “The ultrasound, as it turns out, saw nothing. Absolutely nothing growing inside my girlfriend’s belly. In the days that followed, I pored over the Book of the Iron Fist and realized this was not unprecedented. Sometimes an Immortal Weapon’s chi can give what modern medicine calls a false positive. A glimmer of lifeforce… not a new life.”
I Am An Avenger #1, “The Books of the Iron Fist” by Duane Swierczynski, Jason Latour, and Rico Renzi
It’s tricky to argue the finer points of what dragon chi should and should not be able to do, especially considering how often it’s been treated as a Swiss Army Knife power set over the years– but Misty must have used a pregnancy test, and they don’t generally pick up on chi, so we’re a little grumpy about this plot point. (They were going to be parents! They were going to get married! Luke gave Danny the poopy diaper talk and everything!) And yes, this did end their relationship. They were both so stunned and heartbroken that they decided they needed some time apart, broke off their engagement plans, and have been separate (romantically, anyway– they’re still friends) ever since. The I Am An Avenger issue mentioned above is the main source of their break-up, though the aftereffects also bleed over into Heroes for Hire volume 3. We recommend both comics, despite the sadness involved. They’re good.
Now, on to happier things!
One major must-read Misty and Danny issue– which is about 80% cuteness and 20% plot (in a good way, in this instance)– is “Misty and Danny Forever” from the Secret Wars: Secret Love one-shot. It provides a fun glimpse of an alternate universe where they actually do get married and have a baby.
As far as the main continuity goes, since they dated for so long (over 30 years, our time), their dynamic was developed slowly, in lots of little scenes embedded throughout their shared series. Apart from the alternate universe story above, there are very few single issues dedicated solely to their relationship. But the following list contains some of our favorite/most important Misty and Danny moments, in chronological order:
Iron Fist vol. 1 #6: Misty and Danny are reunited, and continue to sort out their feelings for each other. (This process continues throughout the entirety of Iron Fist vol. 1, so we recommend reading the whole thing. It’s only 15 issues long, and quite good.)
Iron Fist vol. 1 #11-12: Danny pretends to kill Captain America to save Misty from the Wrecking Crew. Chaos and bonding ensue.
Marvel Team-Up #63-64: This is a landmark story arc for a number of reasons: It introduces Steel Serpent (Davos)’s backstory, it includes Misty and Colleen being dubbed “the Daughters of the Dragon” for the first time, and it features Misty and Danny’s first kiss.
Power Man and Iron Fist vol. 1 #66: Misty gets trapped in a magnetically-sealed vault (having a metal arm can be a pain sometimes!). Danny, Colleen, and Luke come to her rescue.
Immortal Iron Fist #16-20: Danny counts on his friends to help him defeat a creature that has killed nearly all of the previous Iron Fists. There are a bunch of nice little Misty and Danny moments in this arc, so we’re recommending the whole thing. And since we will take advantage of any opportunity to rep this series– everyone should read all of Immortal Iron Fist, because it’s fantastic.
Immortal Iron Fist #27: Misty and Danny move in together, Danny proposes, Misty reveals she’s pregnant, and Luke gives Danny the aforementioned poopy diaper talk. A very important issue.
“How much duct tape d’you think it’d take to tape one of us to, say, a ceiling?”
Alan sat up from where he had been happily lying on the blue shag carpet, just generally getting in the way. Gordon caught the tennis ball Alan been tossing up into the air and mimed taking a bite out of it.
“Me or you?” Alan asked, springing up to try and snatch the ball back. Gordon sidestepped him.
“You, I guess. You’re lighter.”
“Okay. So maybe…five rolls? How many do you have?”
Gordon threw off the far-too-big-for-him-and-probably-virgil’s-hoodie he’d been wearing with a flourish, and then held his arms out in front of him. He had about six rolls of duct tape on each arm.
“Nice fashion statement.” Alan said, making another go of getting his tennis ball back. Gordon faked one way, then dashed round and dropped the ball down the back of little brother’s t-shirt.
“Okay-okay-okay, so, you’re in?”
Alan scrambled after the ball as it dropped out from under his shirt.
“Yeah. Let’s do this!”
Virgil found them sometime later. He’d been out for a walk on the island, stopping every so often to sketch the odd bird. It was a real exercise in getting stuff down quickly.
He’d need that, when he dragged himself through his bedroom door, ready for a mid-afternoon nap if he could get one in. He didn’t even notice the fact that Alan was taped to his ceiling until he heard a deceptively casual ‘hey bro’ come from above.
Gordon waved to him from behind the doorframe.
“Nice blowfish impression, Virge.” He said. “What do you think of your new ceiling fixture?”
“Wh-how-why? Gordon. Why. Alan. How did he talk you into this?”
“Dude, I didn’t have to. He said yes right away.”
“I thought you were all about the pursuit of knowledge, Virgil.” Alan said, nonchalantly. His face was very red. “This was all for science, duh.”
“Right. I gotta get you down.” Virgil said, rolling up his shirtsleeves.
“Good luck, it took me like three hours to get him up there.” Gordon said, bending down to pick up an off-cut piece of tape. He stuck it to Virgil’s back as he watched big brother size up the challenge in front of (above) him.
“Gordon, he’s turning purple. How could you think this was a good idea?” Virgil said, getting closer to inspect the situation. Alan stretched out his fingers and just managed to brush the top of Virgil’s head. Gordon stepped back, raising his hands in surrender.
“Hey, I never thought it was a good idea. Oh, hold on. I think he’s slipping.”
“I got it.” Virgil said, gritting his teeth.
In one particularly ungraceful motion, Virgil leapt up and ripped Alan right off the ceiling. He took a fair bit of ceiling with him on the way down, and it, along with Alan, collapsed in a heap on top of Virgil.
Gordon dragged Alan up and out of the room before Virgil could go full-hulk.
Misty Knight was a dedicated officer of the law before she was seriously wounded as a result of a terrorist bombing, and rather than continue on with a desk job she felt as if she could make more of a difference on the streets. After being involved with the Heroes for Hire operation for years, she is now a part of Valkyrie’s team of Lady Liberators where Misty continues to kick butt with style and sass. She also has an on and off again relationship with Danny Rand, also known as The Iron Fist.
Required Reading: Powerman & Ironfist, Heroes For Hire Vol. 2, Fearless Defenders Vol. 1
Have you been keeping up with Rebirth Terra in the pages of Deathstroke because I am loving what their doing with her character, they sort of found a nice middle ground between good Terra and bad Terra. She a part of Deathstroke Defiance, a team of teenage heroes his training to be better heroes. She also operates as a “escort” (people hire her to be their body guard and she pretends to be their date) it also turns out this time she working for someone to kill Deathstroke.
Oh? I heard they gave her a romantic relationship with Slade and uh. Yeah, no. Also, I’m generally not a fan of Priest’s work. Lazarus Contract was absolute garbage, and my petty ass didn’t really like his opinions on Nightwing and characters like him.
Also, I don’t care for Slade Wilson. Like, at all. Rose would be the only reason I glance at that series, and it’s not enough for me to spend money on it when 90% of it is about Deathstroke.
That does sound like an interesting spin on Terra though. But idk if I can stomach the Slade/Terra thing again. I wish DC would just…not.
So, Mike and Finn sort of teased a Danny appearance in Luke Cage season 2 (HfH Hype!), how would you like to see them work him in?
(Heroes for Hire! Heroes for Hire! Heroes for Hire!) Well, if things progress as we assume they will, and Misty’s sweet new arm is Rand Enterprises-funded, we’d hope Danny would show up to deliver it in person! (Bonus points if they both go for the “need a hand” joke at the same time.)
Beyond that, and not yet knowing any plot details for Luke Cage Season 2, this is a tough question. We’re still clinging to our theory that all of the sketchy military testing in the various shows (including Dr. Burstein’s work) is connected, and that Rand Enterprises– unbeknownst to Danny– could be funding it. The glimpse of Burstein and Diamondback at the end of Season 1 suggested that that plotline is far from over, and if Rand is connected, that would pull Danny into the story. Or maybe Bushmaster or Deadly Nightshade will end up being tied to Danny’s world in some yet-to-be-revealed capacity. (And hey, Luke and Danny battling Deadly Nightshade together was what led to their permanent partnership in the comics…!) We’d like a balance– for the plot to remain primarily Luke-centric (it’s his show, after all), but with a few good story-relevant team-ups with Danny to allow their friendship to grow. Of course, the dream would be for this to lead into a Heroes for Hire-type situation, but we’d also like to get Hero for Hire first. We feel very strongly about it being Luke’s idea and Luke’s business, which Danny then joins.
For now, we’re mostly just hoping they exchanged numbers at the end of The Defenders, and have started hanging out at the movies together.
Danny: “What is it the cowboys always say at times like this…? Okay, polecats, make your move!”
Luke: “I never shoulda taken Iron Fist to see all those westerns at the Gem. That boy is too impressionable!”
Power Man and Iron Fist vol. 1 #74 by Mary Jo Duffy, Kerry Gammill, and Jim Novak
Analysis of the Five Million New Teasers We Just Got
Recently, San Diego Comic Con—truly, the most magical time of the year—blessed us with a landmine of information on the upcoming Marvel Netflix shows. Naturally, in addition to sending our excitement for these shows through the roof and into the stratosphere, this information has also given us a whole bunch of material to analyze in extreme detail.
In the Pact fleet tragedy, the sylvari members did in fact turn against their allies.
Glint has left a secret inside the jungle, for Tyria’s adventurers to find.
New region of zones, striving deeper into the Maguuma Jungle, the Heart of Maguuma. This is composed of the Core, the ground floor; the Roots, the underground; and the Canopy, the treetops and the ruins of the Pact fleet. New boss battles, enemies, storylines and group events.
Account-wide Mastery system, available to all level 80 characters. Points are rewarded through completing the new content within the expansion, such as missions, group events and map exploration. These points can be spent on new abilities that will be available on all of your level 80 pve characters.
New hang-glider that allows you to access areas that are at first inaccessible, such as greater heights or wide gaps. You will get better at using your hang-glider as you gain Mastery points.
Mastery points will also allow you to understand the ancient languages found inside the jungle, as well as collection trees that will reward you with precursor weapons.
Specializations: New specialty versions of classes which offer new weapons and utility skills.
Ranger: Druid, staves. Shows a root-based line attack.
Necromancer: ???, greatswords.
Mesmer: ???, shields. Shows a pullback AoE.
Engineer: ???, hammers. Shows flying turrets.
New Profession: Revenant: A new third heavy armor profession that is able to channel the power of the Mists in order to enhance their weapons and skills. They will channel the legends of Tyria’s history, such as Dwarven king Jalis Ironhammer and Margonite overlord Mallyx the Unyielding.
New WvW borderland map: Each keep has its own distinct theme, and controlling the objectives surrounding it will give the controlling team new special abilities within WvW. Examples: Controlling the earth keep’s objectives will make stone walls raise to defend the keep when attacked by enemy armies. Controlling the fire keep’s objectives will allow allies to summon magma pools to teleport about the map.
New PvP gamemode, Stronghold: Teams fight for control of supply, and use it to build defenses, weapons, and hire troops. There will also be heroes that can be won over to your side to aid in the battle. The game is won when one team’s army defeats the enemy team’s stronghold lord.
Guild teams: New PvP tie-in to guilds introduced with Stronghold maps, allowing individual guilds to compete in a PvP leaderboard.
Guild Halls: A home base for you to house and build your guild. As you build upon your guild hall, it will unlock new adventures for your guild to experience.
Evident in the trailer:
White Mantle, big golden city they live in with the Mursaat.
New Mordrem minions and (lesser) dragons.
A new (possibly) polearm weapon type was held and used by Rytlock, (1:36 in the trailer) fending off a Mordrem.