Remember that deleted scene where Arthur is gonna propose to Gwen, and he’s like “I’m feeling sick” and Merlin goes “Well that’s marriage for you” and then Arthur goes “I’ve made a bad decision” and Merlin goes “It’s natural to be nervous. I always get nervous when I make a decision. I start worrying about all the other options I DISCOUNTED”
Like, listen I know half the time I don’t understand why they deleted a scene, but I know why they deleted this one jfc
I know I’ve talked about the Cresswell age gap a lot. I mentioned that it’s not illegal in most parts of the world (seriously, stop imposing American laws and norms to the rest of the world all the time - you don’t have to like the age gap but it just isn’t illegal), that their relationship isn’t sexual and hardly will be for a while and if I can suspend my disbelief when it comes to:
- a 16-year-old mechanic who only remembers 5 years of her life to become a capable queen and getting engaged at 18 while having met the guy a handful of times,
- a 23-year-old guy who has been trained to be a child soldier since age 11 with almost no damage to his mind and who falls in love with the first girl he talks to,
- or a 17-year-old girl who never seemed to have any political training of any kind become an equally capable ambassador just because people like her and who also never considered a guy other than her childhood sweetheart for her one relationship,
then ages in TLC, and YA in general, are hardly comparable to ages in our world. The same goes for Cress, despite the uneccessary infantilisation of her character the fandom seems so fond of. (I only picked Cinder, Wolf and Winter as a comparison because along with Cress, those four have the most “YA”-like experiences that makes it harder to compare their maturity to real-life people of the same age.)
[Btw: Most of the main characters didn’t go to school or had any previous relationships. For me, it seems weird to argue that only Cress should to go to school - not even college but a normal high school that would surely not challenge her genius enough - and have her date other people when no one demands the same things from Cinder, Wolf, Jacin, Winter or Kai. If they can meet their one true love during the revolution and marry them later on without taking breaks, then so can Cress. If I apply-real-life standards to a sci-fi YA story then it would have to go for all characters.
But either all of them are allowed find their one true love and stay with them forever or they all need to “grow” first.]
But I feel one of the biggest issues with the age gap discourse is that almost no one posts age-appropriate fancasts. It’s obviously easier to find cool images of established actors or models but it definitely distorts the images we have of the characters.
Sure if you put an actress who is around 16-years-old:
(Let’s take Elle Fanning at age 16)
And use 30-year-old Sam Claflin or Garrett Hedlund (33) in the same fancast it of course looks like a super inappropriate age gap:
Or if people use Zac Efron, they usually pick pics where he is at his current age, 29:
(I’ve seen Diego Luna at age 37, Chris Wood (29) or Diego Boneta at age 26 too - hardly anyone who is Thorne’s actual age, +/- one year).
As for Cress, I’ve seen people fancast girls as young as 13-year-old (like AnnaSophia Robb from “Bridge to Terabithia):
When for all intents and purposes Cress should look like Elle Fanning or her:
(That’s some instagram girl which I often see used as a Cress fancast from the year 2014 where she was 15/16 - I’ve looked through her instagram and only used pictures from 2014 when she was 16 even though she’s 19 or 20 now. You can look up Jacy Jordan/jacykjordan if you want to verify her birthday and dates she posted those pics. But yes, that’s a 16-year-old girl. A teenager, not a child.)
Compared to this guy:
(Froy Gutierrez, age 19. Oh no, a year younger than Thorne. Still a whole lot closer to what Thorne would look like than Claflin, Hedlund, or other fancast who are usually 25+ at least. Could anyone look more like canonThorne? I don’t think so. He’s the age, he has the looks, hey, he is even half-Mexican. My personal favourite for canonThorne.)
Or coming back to Zac Efron (not my pick but I use casts I’ve seen floating around a lot), you would have to back as far as 2008 to have him at the right age for Thorne (and I used a more flattering picture of him where he doesn’t have that weird Justin-Bieber hairstyle):
(That was from a High School Musical press conference in 2008. The same year he made the movie “17 again”. If you envision Thorne as Zac Efron, in “17 Again” he was 21, one year older than Thorne but still, he would be more appropriate than the way he looks now. Even if one likes current Zac Efron more, it just unnecessarily makes the Cresswell age gap seem wider than it is.)
Or you know what? Let’s include “Bieber Efron” too (after all, it’s not my fault he had that hairstyle):
(21-year-old Zac Efron. See how different he looks from his older counterpart? Or from Claflin and Hedlund for that matter? Thorne wouldn’t look like a grown man at 30. That obviously goes for all the characters but picking and older Kai, Wolf or Jacin never causes the same outcry as it does when it comes to Cresswell)
Now, compare this (16-year-old girl with guys almost twice their age):
To this (16-year-old girls with 20-year-old boys, the way it is in canon):
I feel this puts the whole thing into perspective. We’re not talking about a child or pre-teen with a thirty-year-old dude. If you saw Jacy and Froy or Elle and Zac from the lower pic walking down the street, hardly anyone would consider it inappropriate. If you use fancasts where they are the actual ages they have in canon, Cress and Thorne’s age gap doesn’t seem as wide as people make it out to be.
Basically, I feel there’s a distorted image in the fandom of how child-like Cress and how mature Thorne are when that’s just not the case. One doesn’t have to like the age gap or the ship but the reason why it doesn’t matter to so many people is because we don’t see Thorne as a grown-up man, nor Cress as an immature child.
Putting the “legality” on it makes it US-centric and TLC is not US- centric.
More importantly, for me and many other fans, mutual respect, trust and equality is a given in their relationship, as we have seen time and time again from canon.
(As for Fiona… 🤷 If I had to guess, maybe that was the original name for Faith in The Lying Detective? And then either someone pointed out Elementary had just used the name “Fiona” for Sherlock’s girlfriend or the writers simply decided Faith was a better name for the character what with the symbolism and all. But again, that’s only a guess.)
Interesting that this video is seemingly all to do with Sherlock’s deductions about Mary. VERY INTERESTING:
What’s RED doing here in stuff about Mary? Red flag? REDBEARD? Red herring? And don’t you love how the ‘kind-hearted’ gets aligned to:
That’s right folks, you too can be a KIND-HEARTED ASSASSIN, what a niche job description. But wait!
What’s that you’re deducing, Sherlock? Kind-hearted and a sociopath?
And I especially love how the deduction GOOD MEMORY gets split so just MEMORY remains, especially considering all the unreliable narrator stuff around s4- and that doesn’t even get into the possible TD12 shenanigans. (x)
^And all with that ‘loving’ Christening scene… are our “”good memories””” of Mary unreliable? (Spoiler: yes ;) )