'Arrow': Stephen Amell Reflects on Oliver's legacy, Teases Potential Tragedy
Oliver Queen has truly been through the wringer this season. During the fifth season of Arrow, Oliver (Stephen Amell) initially took up trying to protect the city without his team, trained a ragtag…

Extremely excellent interview by Stephen Amell. My favorite part, of course, is when he addresses Olicity:

Do you think Felicity and Oliver can ever get back to where they were in terms of a solid working relationship?

Stephen Amell: I mean, there was a distance in the early part of the year. And I never want to sail over something as traumatic and significant as the fact that Oliver was tricked into killing Detective Malone and everything that that’s putting Felicity through. I do think that there are a lot of unanswered questions in terms of how did they get from where they were at the end of season 4 to where we found them in season 5, and I am positive that we answer those questions.

Do you think they ever could be a couple again?

Stephen Amell: Sure. Of course. We know what came between them; it was a lack of trust. Felicity walked away, and Oliver let her. I mean, we live in a television world. Fences can always be mended.

I mean… obviously they can be a couple again. 

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Oliver Queen + PTSD

I’m watching “Damaged 1x05″ which is traditionally thought of as a L**uriver episode. And in some ways it is. Besides the kiss and bonding scene, the episode is more a spotlight on Oliver Queen. Strictly, Oliver Queen. I can’t think of any other one that focuses on his emotional and mental health.

Only this re-watch, one in countless times I have seen this episode, did I catch the fact that the DA office addressed his PTSD.

Quote “ Queen spent five years in seclusion on a deserted island, cut off from civilization. It is quite possible he’s suffering from some form of post-traumatic stress. Given that, we would support a plea of insanity conditional on a period of indeterminate incarceration at a psychiatric facility.”

did you catch that? I’ll make it more obvious.

 “he’s suffering from…  post-traumatic stress…conditional on a period of indeterminate incarceration at a psychiatric facility. “

This is the only time that I can remember them even addressing this fact. His PTSD, which as much as Oliver would love to deny, he does have. And the Hood is a symptom. 

I mean here are more symptoms.


Originally posted by fponthedl

Avoiding situations that remind you of the event



“You may not have positive or loving feelings toward other people and may stay away from relationships.”

“You may forget about parts of the traumatic event or not be able to talk about them.”

“You may think the world is completely dangerous, and no one can be trusted.”

And notice that his symptoms are from all over the place. From Hong Kong all the way into Season 5. ‘His PTSD is gone’ my ass. Yes he’s moving on from it, but Oliver lives in a high stress environment. As long as he is the Green Arrow, he will always have PTSD.  

anonymous asked:

I don't want to be rude, but why do you care why and if people ship someone? It's their right to do that. I am not a shipper at all, but I hate when I see people writing pages upon pages of why others shouldn't ship Lauriver or Olicity. Let them enjoy their interaction, let them enjoy their history. Just let them hope for two characters together whether is Olicity or Lauriver and don't try and tell them that is wrong.

I understand where you’re coming from, Anon, and I completely respect your opinion. I really do, because I normally don’t do this. I’ve always believed that it’s good to form your own opinions. I just really have a problem with toxic relationships on tv, and people making them out as something to strive for. Laurel and Oliver’s relationship was beyond toxic, for reasons I listed in the post you’re talking about. {x}

See, young, impressionable viewers could listen to the L*uriver fandom and watch the show and think that that is the kind of love they want when they grow up. No self respecting woman would allow a man like pre-island Oliver to treat her like that. I know that present day Laurel wouldn’t put up with that shit, and Felicity wouldn’t either if Oliver were to ever revert back to his old ways (which he wouldn’t). 

And I also would like for them to stop using the “comic canon” argument because it has long been established that that is one thing this show is not. Oliver and Laurel are 100% NOT Dinah and Ollie from the comics. 

My point is that Oliver and Laurel didn’t have a good relationship, and I don’t appreciate their fandom making it seem like they had this once in a lifetime love, when it was anything but. Olicity, on the other hand, has a beautiful relationship. Oliver is a changed man now, and he and Felicity have undeniable chemistry, they communicate, they support each other and stand by one another through everything, and most importantly, they love unconditionally. Yes, they’ve had bumps in the road, and they’re gonna have more (especially the big one coming up), but I don’t have any doubt that they’ll make it out of that stronger because of the reasons I just listed. 

anonymous asked:

What's your opinion on Marc acting nicer/almost positive towards fans asking about romantic L/auriver? I don't think it's time for people to start panicking but I have seen a change in how he's interacting with those fans than how he did in s4. He seems to be almsot encouraging and teasing that romantic l/auriver could happen while answering his messages on Tumblr.

My impression of Marc’s Q&As on Tumblr are if the question is asked nicely he responds nicely. If they are insulting or mean, he’s either snarky or dissmissive. Neither of which I have a problem with.

I know what ask you are referring to. I am too lazy to look it up though. The person who asked was extremely polite, so Marc was kind. However, I don’t think he was encouraging. He just told them to watch the show (and then they will see that the answer is no). Marc has been extremely blunt about L*uriver with fans, including yours truly. He’s said multiple times both publicly and privately that KC and Stephen have zero chemistry. He emphatically stated that Bl*ck S*ren and Oliver is NEVER going to happen. So… there’s nothing to worry about. If he was nice or more gentle with a hopeful L&uriver fan then I don’t think that’s the end of the world. They are fans too. Marc is a nice guy. He doesn’t have to be a dick to them for L*uriver to be done. 

anonymous asked:

Hello Jen - Big fan of yours here! Thanks for making this season somewhat bearable. As a writer, what would you have done to sort-of break up Olicity instead of the Baby Mama Drama storyline? I understand the Powers That Be wanting to put the breaks to fully exploit Olicity through however many seasons Arrow will be on air - money talks. However, the story route chosen seems so tedious and unoriginal. Appreciate your creative thoughts. Happy 2017 to you & your beautiful family!

I’m so glad I’ve helped! You know… funny you should ask. I actually tried to come up with something else after 4x08 aired and that’s how my “Inside the Writers’ Room” was born.

Given where Olicity was at the catalyst for their breakup had to be very big. Keep in mind Felicity fell in love with Oliver while he was dropping bodies on the regular, so I think the morality bar with this guy is pretty low. So, in my mind, it left us with cheating, stealing or lying. 

I have no idea why Oliver would steal from Felicity.

Cheating is L*uriver territory.

So lying it is. Bottom line? If the intent of the storyline was to break Olicity up then it was ALWAYS going to be a hot mess. It was always going to feel inorganic. Lying about William was the least messy & the easiest to put back together. And… given that it was a stall tactic to get through another season ummm… yeah it was always going to be a slow pace. They needed another 35-38 eps out of this. BUT it could potentially lead to some interesting character development. 

I simply reject the premise that they had to break up. I don’t agree with that. I think one extra season of Olicity stable and together certainly wasn’t going to be the straw to break the camel’s back. There were ways to slow down the wedding if they felt the need to do that without breaking them up. 

anonymous asked:

If Laurel doesn't die, this all sounds like a pretty damn good way to set Lauriver back up. Sorry. it does. You have Felicity, who is going to find out about the kid, break up with Oliver, and going dark. Then you have Laurel, understanding Oliver and forgiving him, embracing the kid and baby mama, and living in the light. Sorry but if she doesn't die, none of this makes Olicity look good. Especially because Oliver confided in his ex girlfriend.

WHOAH. Let’s back this train up. 

First, I’m going to refer you to my LL policy. I just want to be up front about things. Feel free to stop reading here and go with God.

Still here? Alright, that’s your choice, but you aren’t going to like anything I have to say. Last chance.

Okay. Here I go.

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‘Arrow’ Producer Teases Laurel’s Return, Introducing Talia al Ghul Ahead of Midseason Premiere
By the end of “Arrow’s” midseason finale, Team Arrow had taken quite a few licks. Diggle (David Ramsey) had been apprehended by the law after spending the first half of the season…
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Back to Wendy at Variety! This one is a bit of a rehash of what we’ve already discussed, but there were a couple interesting tidbits.

Does her (Laurel) return affect Oliver’s relationship with Susan Williams (Carly Pope)?

I think the short answer to that is no. Any sort of romantic relationship between Laurel and Oliver we pretty much put to bed in Season 2.

I just love that Wendy flat out said they were done with L&uriver in S2. I mean, we all know that, but I never get tired of the EPs saying it.

And Dig was set up by Prometheus and captured by the law again. Is another rescue in the works?

We did our prison break in episode four so I’d expect something different. Dig is in jail again, but the outcome is going to be different and his attitude about it is going to be very different. It’s going to also involve Oliver pulling some fast ones on Felicity.

I wonder if Wendy mispoke, because in the other articles it is Felicity helping Diggle fight the charges. 

In Defense of The Love Interest

If you’ve been reading my reviews you probably noted I’m on a hypocrisy kick. Mostly because it’s flashing in front of me in neon lights, but also because… I don’t like hypocrisy. Barry, Diggle, Cisco, The entire Flash writing staff - they’ve all faced my ire of late. 

Well… the neon lights are flashing again.

I noticed a comment on my Death Theory that irked me when I read it:

“‘They aren’t launching anything new with Laurel and the biggest tip off was no romance’. This was bizarre.”  (x)

Response: why bizarre? she can be a strong female character without having a partner lol.”

I’m not tagging the person because this isn’t about a pointless argument. However, I’ve noticed an argument rising and gaining traction, specifically in the Laurel/L*uriver fandom, but also in the Olicity fandom. It’s the “Just A Love Interest” argument.

Essentially, the argument is Laurel has an independent storyline as BC, sans love interest. Whereas, Felicity, as Oliver’s true love, is just a love interest. The implication being that Laurel is a strong female character whereas Felicity “Just A Love Interest” Smoak is weak. This is an argument that has been perpetrated by KC herself:

“I’m really happy because I like the direction they’ve gone with my character. I’m not the girlfriend or the love interest, I actually have my own storyline. I’m not just there to serve as a love interest. Yeah, I’m sure at some point, hopefully … not to be selfish on a personal level, they’ll cast someone to potentially be my love interest. It’ll probably happen and I like that I have my own storyline aside from Team Arrow as well; I have my own identity.”

First, let’s deal with the hypocrisy and then we’ll deal with love interests and strong female characters.

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L*uriver Testing The Waters

I’m getting the kiddo ready for school, cleaning the kitchen…ya know regular mom stuff. Rugrat is in bed so I decide to swing by Twitter and my Tumblr inbox. This was what I walked into….

I received the following asks. I’m not going to put names on them. There were so many on the same topic on both Tumblr and Twitter that I’m just going to answer them here:

Do you agree with callistawolf’s theory that the writers are testing the waters with Oliver and laurel again in season 4? As more than friends/partners but eventually romantically? I know no one knows for sure but I for one would hate that and would stop watching. Thanks in advance.

Why are there people worrying that they are building up Laurel and establishing their friendship so that they can test the waters to put Lauriver back together again? There is still no chemistry between them and that awful backstory is still there

what do you think about ‘opposite of hallway scene’? for me that scene was the end of lauriver, do you think that they are trying erase the end and make a ‘maybe'for them??

And there’s apparently a theory about the ending of 4x01. In a SDCC interview, Paul Blackthorne said the end of 4x01 will haunt the rest of the season and Emily chimed in and said, “It’s haunting me”. John said the reaction will be something like “No way. They can’t do that.” David Ramsey mentioned there’s a twist involving Felicity in 4x01. So, the theory is those two things are connected and Felicity is really a H.I.V.E agent.

I’m gonna stop there. First…

Everybody seriously needs to BREATHE. Man guys. CHILLAX. First of all, callistawolf‘s post was in response to a hypothetical situation. An Anon asked if EBR LEFT THE SHOW would the writers try to bring Lauriver back. You can read Calli’s response here.

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The Season 2 Effect

Something’s been gnawing on me the last couple days. Well, for most of Season 5, but it reached a high point after I read the TVLine Winter preview. It mentioned the new character, SCPD Detective Tina Boland. TVLine said she and Oliver would form a “connection” (TVLine’s words - not Wendy’s. That’s an important distinction) because (and these are Wendy’s words), “she has been through her own hell, her own sort of ‘island.”

There were, of course, some immediate concerns that Oliver and Tina will be in a romantic relationship. Just to get this out of the way - no, I don’t think they will be in a romantic relationship. I’m not saying it’s impossible. I’m just saying I think it’s unlikely. 

First, we still haven’t ditched Susan Williams. They’d have to unravel Oliver’s relationship with her and with Felicity while starting up a new relationship with Tina all by season’s end. That’s a lot to accomplish in 5B, even by Arrow’s standards. Not impossible, but unlikely. 

Second, “connection” is an arbitrary term, which is probably why TVLine used it. It doesn’t necessarily mean romantic. 

Third, Tina has to form a connection with Oliver. She’s going to be the new Black Canary and join the team. Anyone who joins the team A) has a connection with Oliver and B) goes through some kind of “island” at one point or another. That’s the show. The fact that Tina already went through hers I’m viewing as a positive. They want to get her up and running fast. Fine by me. She’s a guest star at this point and the less time we have to spend on her character the better. I’ve had my fill of newbies right now.

But that’s not what this post it about. No, when I read the article my first thought (and what’s been gnawing on me) was, “Man this feels a lot like Season 2.”

Then I recalled something Marc told me at SDCC.  He said he hoped fans got more of a Season 1 or Season 2 vibe from Olicity. Lord, he wasn’t kidding. 

Now, I’m not saying, “Hey Arrow Season 5 is just like Season 2! Everything is wonderful! Problems solved!” Uh… no. I think those who are unhappy have valid reasons. I also think those who are happy with the season also have valid reasons. I am joyfully in Switzerland for the most part on this topic. Truthfully, I think entertainment is subjective. Everyone likes what they like (or dislike) for their own reasons. Arguing about it is as arbitrary as arguing about whether or not you like cheese. I am quite content owning my choice and believe everyone has a right to theirs. (For the record, I really like cheese.) I’m simply pointing out some similarities I’ve noticed between Season 2 and Season 5 in terms of Olicity and promotion.

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asmuchasryuklovesapples  asked:

Should I interpret the MTV ship of the year talk on SA's facebook, or Greg Berlanti's comment on Olicity as something to ease the blow of the next episode?(5x05) they said the ep will be olicity centric and we almost sure that it means there will be the big fight. We also know that Malone is in next ep, too. And ofc KC and engagement ring comes in next few episodes. all pro-olicity talk outside of the show can be about giving us some hope to recover easily?

I’m going to post my answer, because I have a feeling there’s a lot of people wondering the same thing. Hopefully you don’t mind ;)

Personally, I don’t think 5x05 is going to be as bad as some in the fandom are making it out to be. I’m not sure there will be a fight. “Fight” isn’t even on my radar for 5x05, so I’ll have to disagree there. As for KC and the engagment ring, we don’t actually KNOW anything. It’s all just speculation. As I said in my spec, if it’s true then it’s not REAL and will ultimately reinforce Olicity in the end.

They are promoting 5x05 as an Olicity episode and I don’t believe they would be doing that if there wasn’t going to be some goodies in there for us. That said, I think perhaps over hiatus some fans got their hopes up too high and expected 5x05 to be a reunion episode. Or at least the beginning of the reunion, which would see fruition by mid season.

I do not believe Arrow is on that fast of a track with Olicity. I’ve always believed this is a full season journey, much like Season 2 and Season 3. Personally, I’m not expecting a lot of movement in 5A. It wouldn’t make sense if they are trying to pace this out for the full season.

The most frequent question I receive from my encounter with Marc is whether or not I believe 5x05 is going to be good or bad for Olicity. My answer is always this: I didn’t ask because it didn’t matter to me. Whether it’s good or bad, 5x05 is simply one piece in the puzzle towards rebuilding Olicity. 

And yes… there will be an ebb and a flow to this. We will take step backwards. There will be moments the writers make us think, “Oh no! Olicity is over for good! How will they ever fix this?” Then they’ll fix it because that’s how storytelling works. This is what they do with Olicity every single year. Every season there are heartbreaking, gut punching moments for Olicity, even in the highly touted S2. Moments where it feels hopeless. And then… there is light. So, that’s primarily why I’m so extremely chill about 5x05. If it’s bad? Bring it. If it’s good? Bring it. All part of the storytelling process and that’s what I signed up for.

However, thus far everything I’m seeing in the show with the interactions between Oliver and Felicity is laden with hope - even if the conversations are not going as some people would desire. The writers are laying the groundwork. It’s there. We just have to pay attention and be patient.

I think Marc gave the most accurate description of the episode in the Q&A he was kind enough to host. Those of us who are enjoying the journey will enjoy the episode. Those who are expecting Olicity to be back together will be upset. 

As for Stephen’s Q&A with Emily and Greg Berlanti’s comments at EW PopFest… sure. They are trying to ease fans’ fears. Whether it’s easing their fears from the hiatus promotion or upcoming troubles in the next few episodes, it doesn’t really matter to me. This is what the Olicity fandom has begged the cast and creators to do for the last several months: GIVE US HOPE. They did it this weekend. 

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I’m just gonna get all of this out now...


after Marc got on Tumblr today, I wanna say something.

I would like to begin this by saying that I don’t have a problem with Laurel. She may not be my favorite character on the show, but I have no issues with her. I’m what they call “SwitzerLaurel.”

BUT I do have a problem with your ship, with Oliver and Laurel as a couple, for many reasons that I will list below. I don’t know how many times the writers and producers and cast members have to say that this show develops NATURALLY and is NOT COMIC CANON. 

Olicity’s relationship is beautiful, and Laurel is happy for them. see–

so let’s get into this…

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