I came across The Children of Húrin as read by Sir Christopher Lee

  • Turgon: What makes you think that I'll give my beautiful daughter to a simple mortal?
  • Tuor: Because I've heard a story about a ridiculously tall and antisocial king of a hidden kingdom who refused to give his beautiful daughter to a simple mortal. And you're not gonna like the end.
  • *silence*
  • Tuor: Also my father died for you so..
  • Turgon: ...
  • Turgon: I see your point

If you think Maeglin’s life wasn’t depressing enough, look at this:

316FA - Aredhel leaves Gondolin and weds Eöl. 
320FA - Maeglin is born
400FA - Aredhel and Maeglin return to Gondolin. Eöl kills Aredhel and is executed
456FA -  Death of Fingolfin, his body is taken to Gondolin
472FA - Nirnaeth Arnoediad
502FA - Tuor comes to Gondolin
503FA - Eärendil is born
509FA - Maeglin is captured
510FA - Fall of Gondolin

(source is Tolkiengateway)

… Maeglin didn’t even got 200years old! Given how Noldor are supposed to stop aging around 100 years and become adults around 144years … he only got 20years old, give or take. How fucking depressing is that? Given that Tuor is born in the year of N.A. … he was probably more mature than Maeglin when he came to Gondolin.

And Idril … Maeglin was a teenager for the entire time you knew him! A traumatised, grieving teenager who was born and raised under a different culture. Who probably even looked differently than the rest of the Noldor (Noldor are rumored to have darker skintone than Sindar).

So no, there’s no reason at all to call Maeglin creepy if you look at his background.  

Above the noise of the water the sound of his song and the sweet thrilling of the harp were echoed in the stone and multiplied, and went forth and rang in the night-clad hills, until all the empty land was filled with music beneath the stars.
—  Of Tuor and His Coming to Gondolin, Unfinished Tales

That is Aragorn II

Son of Arathorn II

Son of Arador

Son of Argonui

Son of Arathorn I

Son of Arassuil

Son of Arahad II

Son of Aravorn

Son of Aragost

Son of Arahad I

Son of Araglas

Son of Aragorn I

Son of Aravir

Son of Aranuir

Son of Arahael

Son of Aranarth

Son of Arvedui

Son of Araphant

Son of Araval

Son of Arveleg II

Son of Arvegil

Son of Argeleb II

Son of Araphor

Son of Arveleg I

Son of Argeleb I

Son of Malvegil

Son of Celebrindor

Son of Mallor

Son of Beleg

Son of Amlaith

Son of Earendur

Son of Elendur

Son of Valandur

Son of Tarondor

Son of Tarcil

Son of Arantar

Son of Eldacar

Son of Valandil

Son of Isildur

Son of Elendil

Son of Amandil

Son of Numendil

Grandson of Earendur,

Fifteenth Lord of Andúnië

Descendant of Valandil,

First Lord of Andúnië

Son of Silmarien

Daughter of Elendil

Son of Amandil

Son of Vardamir

Son of Elros

Son of Earendil

Son of Tuor

Son of Huor

Son of Galdor

Son of Hador

Son of Hathol

Son of Magor

Son of Malach

Son of Marach

Lord of the Third House of the Edain


anyway @alikuu here’s my further thoughts on how the AU where Tuor and Voronwe drag Turin to Gondolin would go, I’m sorry I got overinvested:

- Turgon remembers Hurin, and he feels sorry for Turin. He lets them both stay, but on the same terms as in canon - like Tuor, Turin can enter Gondolin, but he can’t leave. (Gwindor parts ways with them well before they reach Gondolin, he wants to go back to Nargothrond. Turin gives him the rest of his lembas for the road.)

- Turin spends a lot of time exhorting Turgon to bring the war to Morgoth. Tuor supports him in somewhat more tactful terms (this is not hard), or, like, at least tries to suggest they should do something other than dig in and wait. Turgon, being a more forceful character than Orodreth, is sympathetic but unmoved. If he didn’t listen to Tuor and Ulmo he’s not going to listen to Turin either. Turin is loudly angry, unhappy, and critical of Turgon.

- It’s worth remembering at this point that despite everything, Turin and Tuor are both very charismatic people who attract followers easily.

Keep reading

  • Elf: Can I live in Gondolin?
  • Turgon: Sure, but you'll have to stay here for the rest of your life or otherwise I'll have to kill you
  • Tuor: Hey, can I marry your daughter?
  • Turgon: Mkay

And as they waited one came through the trees, and they saw that he was a tall Man, armed, clad in black, with a long sword drawn; and they wondered, for the blade of the sword also was black, but the edges shone bright and cold. Woe was graven in his face, and when he beheld the ruin of Ivrin he cried aloud in grief, saying: ‘Ivrin, Faelivrin! Gwindor and Beleg! Here once I was healed. But now never shall I drink the draught of peace again.’

Then he went swiftly away towards the North, as one in pursuit, or on an errand of great haste, and they heard him cry Faelivrin, Finduilas! until his voice died away in the woods. But they knew not that Nargothrond had fallen, and this was Túrin son of Húrin, the Blacksword. Thus only for a moment, and never again, did the paths of those kinsmen, Túrin and Tuor, draw together.

—  Of Tuor and his coming to Gondolin,Unfinished Tales
Beloved Glorfindel

You know when you’re writing fanfiction and you don’t necessarily know if a tidbit in your narrative is actually canon or not? You don’t really care whether it is or isn’t but get ridiculously excited when you randomly find out that it is? You know what feeling I’m talking about. Well, I was thinking about the general opinion/perception that Glorfindel receives from the fanbase whether in fanart or fanfic. You know the standard portrayal: epic warrior, joyful, merry and the source of much awe and hero-worship (for one reason or another). But that’s not the portrayal of him I want to address today.

Because there’s an additional fanon out there about Glorfindel that kind of makes me smile. And that’s the common idea that Glorfindel had this mass popularity in Gondolin. There’s only a small section of the lore I want to focus on today because, to point back to my opening question, what makes me smile about Glorfindel (as I have talked with many of them) is that there really are people out there who gladly embrace this fanon, all the while having no idea of its actual canon:

“[Glorfindel] led the Golden Flower and was the best beloved of the Gondothlim, save it be Ecthelion, but who shall choose.”

There you go, for starters. No analysis required for that plain English (and no one can exclude that Ecthelion was a greatly beloved figure as well). I will add, though, that ‘beloved’ is a curious word to use since it goes beyond the definition of popularity. Anyone can be popular and not necessarily for a good reason, but Tolkien took it a step further in describing Glorfindel’s eminence in Gondolin and assigned the word ‘beloved’, first here and then again after Glorfindel’s fall-by-Balrog wherein Tolkien proceeded on with lamentation over his death: 

“Now was this a very grievous thing, for Glorfindel was most dearly beloved” 

You can research the word yourself to get a sense of its deeper meaning, but I put the word ‘beloved’ through five thesauruses and among them all were the following synonyms, among others: cherished, revered, precious, dear, loved, venerated, highly regarded, admired. But merely from the text alone, it’s all so easy to understand! The people loved Glorfindel. They loved him, really loved him, especially the people of the Golden Flower: 

“their hearts are still sore for that fair one of the Noldoli. Because of their love, despite the haste and their fear of the advent of new foes, Tuor let raise a great stone-cairn over Glorfindel […] and Thorndor has let not yet any harm come thereto, but yellow flowers have fared thither and blow ever now about that mound […]; but the folk of the Golden Flower wept at its building and might not dry their tears.”

They had to leave. Despite that Glorfindel had just killed the Balrog and that the rest of the enemies had been eliminated, that small remnant of Gondolin had to get off that mountain and find safety because of “their fear of the advent of new foes”. A calm had settled after the skirmish was won, but Tuor and the others knew it couldn’t last for long and they were desperate to take advantage of the precious time Glorfindel’s sacrifice afforded them to get off that mountain before any “new foes” could advance on them, just like they had moments before. They expected it, probably due to how they had been unerringly trapped this first time (for which if it hadn’t been for Glorfindel’s intervention, it would’ve been catastrophic. More than it already turned out to be, that is). The survival of what was left of their people depended on their “haste”, and no haste is greater than one driven by fear. 

But even then, they postponed departure to be able to honor Glorfindel “because of their love”. Tolkien specifically mentioned that as the reason. Their love for him was as such that they fought their fear of an impending new outbreak of Orcs (and who knows what other monstrosities might have followed that Balrog) to give the Elf-lord what decent burial they could, laying him under stone, and then Thorondor actually guarded that grave. 

That there is remarkable. 

It’s one thing to deliver Glorfindel’s body out of the chasm, but to read that the King of Eagles, of all beings, went the length to guard his grave from any harm unto the submersion of Beleriand.…I can’t be the only one moved by that. Unless it was of Thorondor’s own will, Manwë actually set a sentinel over Glorfindel’s tomb. 

As made plain in the text, the people of Glorfindel’s House took his death hard, weeping as the stones were laid over their lord’s body (which they probably had a hand in laying). And not only that, but the grief of all those who now made up the Gondothlim was so deep that at the time this historical account was written unquestionably by Pengolodh, “their hearts were still sore for that fair one”. Now, it could be initially suspected that their love for Glorfindel became magnified at his death simply because he died. Grief is a powerful sentiment, and more than that, it’s raw. Yet that possibility’s countered by the knowledge that, nearly a year later, their hearts were still sore for him. That, and the fact that Tuor, Idril and their people nearly a year later collectively decided to honor Glorfindel all over again: 

“when spring set celandine in the meads and they had held sad festival in memorial of Glorfindel” 

I would challenge anyone to say the people of Gondolin didn’t love Glorfindel after this. It wasn’t quite an anniversary, but come the following spring after their escape from Gondolin, the remnant of the Gondothlim threw a celebration in Glorfindel’s memory, albeit a sorrowful one. (also called “the feast of Glorfindel” in The Tale of Eärendel). They actually gathered together to hold a festival in his name. And at this feast “for Glorfindel the well-beloved many and sweet were the songs they sang”. There’s that term ‘beloved’ again. But yeah, songs were written in his name, “many” and “sweet”.

But I’d like to point out a hidden gem in this verse. It’s nothing exciting, just precious in my opinion. It pertains to the fact that the actual timing of this festival wasn’t coincidental. I mean, wouldn’t you expect this type of commemoration to be on the actual anniversary of one’s death? In this case, it would have been at the beginning of summer, but no. They held this sad festival earlier in the year at the start of spring. Why hold the feast at this specific time of year when they’d only have to wait a few more months to hold it properly? The answer is in the same sentence: 

when spring set celandine in the meads and they had held sad festival in memorial of Glorfindel” 

‘Celandine’ is the key word. The celandine flower is known for blooming at the start of spring, before even the trees begin budding. Celandines’ petals open in the morning, close in the evening, and they look like a thick carpet of gold where they are abundant (just look at some pictures). But more importantly, celandine was a significant part of Glorfindel’s very insignia: 

“There stood the house of the Golden Flower who bare a rayed sun upon their shield, and their chief Glorfindel bare a mantel so broidered in threads of gold that it was diapered with celandine as a field in spring; and his arms were damascened with cunning gold.” 

The emblem of the House of the Golden Flower itself was a rayed sun (which a celandine kind of looks like), but the celandine is officially associated with Glorfindel. It was Glorfindel’s flower, possibly the actual flower that inspired the very name of his House. (And I can’t be the only one enraptured by the visual of how Glorfindel looked bedecked in that so-described mantle.) Celandine, the golden flower. And so at the annual blooming of celandines when came spring, the survivors of Gondolin again honored Glorfindel’s memory, something they on record did for no other Elf. Only him.  

Seriously, I dare anyone to say that they didn’t love him.

It’s unknown why Glorfindel was so dearly beloved in Gondolin, what it was about his person that sprouted such mass popularity that he’d be historically pointed out by name as the best beloved of Gondolin’s citizenry, equaled only by Ecthelion of the Fountain if this were a competition (as said, who shall choose?). I have no doubt his talent as a warrior won him renown, as well as his aptitude as a lord of his people, a chieftain of the kingdom, and whatever standing he held in the eyes of Turgon. Though as Tolkien laid emphasis on his merriment as well, it’s conceivable that Glorfindel had quite the charismatic personality, a trait proven to be endearing to an endless number of people. 

So to any out there portraying Glorfindel with such a character trait all the while secretly hoping it’s alright to believe he claims such love and adoration from others, don’t. Because it’s hardcore canon that he does. :) Was Glorfindel a popular figure in Gondolin? Without question. 

**text from HoME The Fall of Gondolin II.218.194-6.174-5; The Quenta IV.174