Well surprise surprise Tom Preston’s retarded. Why you may ask? Well let’s break down his comic and artist’s description. first the comic itself.
1. He knows nothing about how and why Vivian James was created
A group called The fine Young Capitalists (TFYC) hosted a charity (for lack of a better term) where women would pitch their ideas for video games, those ideas would be drawn out by concept artists, and then voted on. The winner’s game would be made and the funds would be donated to charity with 8% going to the girl who pitched the winning idea as royalties.
Zoe Quinn (Yeah, we have to mention her again. Just think of her as the two bullets that started WWI) attempted to vilify the charity in a fit of persecution complex saying it was oppressive to have women give ideas for free.
Not mentioning that was the extent of their contribution, ideas, not art or coding but being the ideas guy but I digress. She used her connections in gaming journalism to shame TFYC and major gaming journalists sites blindly followed her lead.
When the Five Guys scandal started (this was before GamerGate was officially a thing), 4Chan’s /v/ caught on to this event when one of the “charity’s” prominent members wrote a comment on Reddit detailing what happened. You can read the comment here: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/814/183/c06.png
The result is something magical. 4Chan has defeated feminists by being better feminists and thus ultimately discrediting feminists. They funded TFYC’s project and donated enough money that they were allowed to design a character that would appear in the winning game.
Being smart, they designed a female character that would go against the feminist’s assumptions. Rather than a ditzy bimbo, they created just about the most average girl ever but still one that was easily recognizable: http://www.funnyjunk.com/vivian+james/funny-pictures/5269334
She was a girl. She was a gamer. But she wasn’t a gurl gamer. Her interests were video games. She hated video game journalists. Her shirt was green and purple representing 4chan’s color and she wore a 4 leaf clover on her headband to symbolize 4chan as well. Even her name was video game related. vivian James being a close approximation to vidya gaems, /v/’s terminology for video games. Save for the inevitable porn that was drawn of her later down the line, there was nothing inherently offensive about the character herself save for the people who made her.
TFYC accepted the character and she became the face of GamerGate, a rebellion of the consumer against the corrupt devs, journalists, and social justice warriors corrupting the industry: http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/801/801073.jpg
Of course feminists were still mad even though there was nothing offensive about Vivian’s design. They attempted to slam 4chan as pedophiles but that failed to catch wind. They attempted to contact and shame TFYC for accepting money from 4chan, ironic because it was feminists who attempted to destroy the “charity” in the first place. 4Chan funded a project to get women in gaming. Feminists are so hell bent on being victims that they actively attempted to oppress women from getting into gaming. Is there any finer argument that feminism is obsolete in the first world?
2. Take a look at Dobson’s depiction of her and then take a look at what 4Chan made: http://38.media.tumblr.com/0ba8ae1413ac3cf00a0bb47a7b87a444/tumblr_naqa31NRbj1tvej0ho1_1280.jpg
Dobson has made her shaplier, ditzier, wider eyed, and overall overly feminin. The very thing he criticizes artists hundreds of times better than he is of doing to women he did to a non-sexualized character for the purpose of making his side seem all the more valid. It was a deliberate choice on his part and he should be called out for such crude tactics. To put this in perspective, if 4chan had made a black character, Dobson would have drawn his lips bigger than the 4chan version. Apparently using stereotypical body types for women is only wrong if it’s not Dobson doing it.
3. GamerGate isn’t sexist.
In the very least, not in the way people are claiming it is. The members may not all live up to the standards set by First World Feminists and video game journalists but the movement is comprised of people from all walks of life. Outspoken feminists (including Christina Sommers, a Democrat labled as a conservative by journos) to Men Rights Activists. Various shades of philosophies about gender and gender identity can be found in the movement but the reason they all label it as sexist is because none of them subscribe to the extremists version that people like Tom Preston espouse.
This is largely a problem with a lot of things. People and movements are unfairly labeled as sexist or racist because they wish to argue the point or don’t go all the way with what certain people think should happen. It’s even worse when it comes to history where the most progressive of people would still be vilified as racists or sexists for the crime of being born too early and subscribing to the views of the era.
The point is when you hear something like a movement about video games being called sexist or misogynistic, take that with a grain of salt. Do your own research or the matter. Look at what they’re saying and maybe browse their forums and ask what it is that they’re against and why they might be called those things. Also look at who’s making the claim. How extreme are their views? dungeons and dragons was labeled as anti-Christian by radical Christians who see persecution everywhere. The film Drive was called anti-semetic…by a jewish man who sees anti semitism everywhere.
People with extremist philosophies are going to see more persecution of their ideas than people who don’t. That’s just a fact of life so again, I encourage you to do your own research when people start throwing around accusations about these things. Especially when you wouldn’t be able to confirm it yourself upon a quick glance.
4. Tom’s Joke was poorly worded. When I read “Occu-Lass Thrift, I immediately thought it was a pun on the Oculus Rift. A VR headset whose lead dev sold out to Facebook a few months ago. He really couldn’t figure out a better name to call her? Vivian Jame’s name works because it in of itself is a legitimate name but no one in their right mind would name their kid "Occu-Lass Thrift.” Again, Tom has no idea what Vivian James is and represents. If it weren’t for the girl’s comments, I think everyone would assume he was talking about the VR headset. Speaking of his comments. Let’s get right into that.
Zoe Quinn’s jilted ex-boyfriend decided to post a rant about her online, accusing her of sleeping with journalists to get good praise on her free web game (accusations that were later found to be untrue).
The Zoe Post (what Tom’s talking about) was written by Zoe Quinn’s ex boyfriend detailing her abusive and manipulative activities. The post in question left out a lot of information that was later found out by outside research but the gist is that she slept with journalists and game devs in order to promote her game Depression Quest. One of the people she slept with was her boss and another was the judge of an indie game contest that she contended.
At this point it doesn’t even matter if they had their dicks in her at all. It was found that she has clear undeniable connections to these people and that they have promoted her and her game. This is a prime example of corruption in the video game industry where close ties kills objectivity and these journos report false information to the consumer in order to appease their friends and get more personal benefits from those they promote.
The #GamerGate movement was then started with the intention of pointing out issues with “gaming journalism ethics,” but thus far has only really been good at harassing women in the games industry and forcing them (and anyone who supports them) to leave.
Apparently no one has told Tom Preston about the campaign to e-mail the sponsors of these journos and get them to back out.
Nor has anyone told Tom Preston about #NotYourShield, a Twitter campaign encouraging people from all walks of life be it religious, gender based, race based, where you’re from, etc to come out and say they do not approve of these journalists and social justice warriors speaking on their behalf.
And who would have thought that not one single person has mentioned GamerGate’s constant state of self regulation. You reading me type Zoe Quinn is the most you’ll get with that name because people in an attempt to separate themselves from her but still be able to comment on what’s important (her connections), have begun calling her “Literally Who.” In response to this Zoe has changed her Twitter name to Dr. Literally Who so it seems she’s loving the hate.
Actually now that I think about it, I’m sure the critics Tom hasn’t blocked have relayed this info to him. I’m willing to bet he just deliberately ignored to so he can make history fit his ideals. Go back to the Ministry of Truth, Dobson. you’re a shit artist and a worse human being.
When people started to question #GamerGate’s seemingly dubious motives, some 4-channers decided to make a “gamer girl” mascot called Vivian James to prove they weren’t sexist.
See: Everything I have said previous to this and do refer to the links. The first two are screen caps going over exactly how and why vivian was made. Tom Preston is dead fucking wrong. Objectively wrong. If being wrong could hurt, Tom Preston would have died before he finished that sentence.
After all… she’s a girl! Girls can’t be sexist, right? So if you’re wondering why there are so many icons of that girl on twitter or DA or whatever… that’s why.
Tom, I took this up with some psychologists and they have all declared you as a pathological liar. Short of the long. Vivian James is the face of the movement along with /V/’s board-tan (the simplistic angry looking bald guy you may see in GG images), real people like Milo, Internet Aristocrat (using his Youtube avatar), JonTron, Christina Sommers, etc.
Sadly I have a feeling too many people will be coming here, arguing about #GamerGate’s true intentions, bemoaning “Not ALL GamerGate harassed women!” and completely ignoring my brilliant pun for the Occupy Wall Street girl. Bah.
Just do what you always do. block them like a little bitch. It can’t be that what you said was wrong. It can’t be that you’re deliberately misrepresenting the movement. It can’t be that you’re outing yourself once again as a white knight ass who knows absolutely nothing about what he’s talking about but somehow think his farts don’t stink.
And fuck your little pun. Obviously people are going to ignore your shitty pun because that’s not what this comic is about you shit. Your entire description was about how sexist GG and vivian James are. Your first panel is a complete strawman of the movement. If I drew a picture of pig shitting on Muhammad followed by a second panel with a drawing of a chicken crossing the street, I’d have no right to say “and people are harping on my drawing of Muhammad and completely ignoring my brilliant why did the chicken cross the road joke. Bah.”
fuck you, Dobson. You’re objectively wrong.
PS: Your girl looks worse than the one Reddit designed for TFYC!
EDIT: Maybe he’s just mad that this isn’t how she’s usually depicted: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/237/4/c/five_hundred_plus_strawpolls_by_seigaseigas-d7wif0r.png
I went to the EDF and found that they thought the same thing about Dobson’s girl’s name.
So, 4chan donates 5000 dollars to TFYC, the same organization that Zoe Quinn tried to shut down, and snowflakes and supporters of her are calling it “dirty money” and accepting bribes from sexist rape apologists.
I’m going to repeat that.
An organization created to help women, accepts a donation to help women, and people scream because the money came from a website they didn’t like.
Christ, this is no different than Christians being outraged over a charity accepting donations from atheists.
stupid question but what is gamergate? Is it a magazine or organization? And why are feminists so against them?
Oh man, girl. Drop your socks and grab your crocs, we’re in for a wild ride.
GamerGate is an event. It is the uprising of consumers (in particular video game consumers) against video game journalists and critics for ethical failings and other issues.
People conflate “GamerGate” or “GamerGater” or “Gater” with somebody who is “Pro-GamerGate” AKA “Pro Consumer Revolt”. GamerGate is not a party, Pro-GamerGate is a group.
Basically, GamerGate got started in response to the mass censorship of the “Quinnspiracy” AKA the “Five Guys” event, where it was revealed Zoe Quinn slept with at least five men in order to advance her career. This would’ve just been stupid drama except one of those people was a journalist of Kotaku and another was a judge of a video game conference (where Zoe got her game featured). These ethical failings and the drama within was swiftly silenced on practically all forums for discussion.
In addition, several game related sites published the now infamous “Gamers are Dead” articles at about this time. At the same time. These articles basically said the same thing “Gamers are all angry cis, het white dudes who go to cons and buy midnight releases, they aren’t your audience anymore”. This pissed off a lot of people, including many non-cis, non-white, non-het, non-male gamers who were erased by this message. The fact that all these articles came out within 24 hours of one another, from many sites with massie ethical failings, were suspicious and cries of foul play were sounded, as these were taken as a massive attack against gamers.
Quick side deviation. That erasure of everyone not a cis, het white dude? Quickly became #Notyourshield. NYS is a GamerGate affiliated group, basically of minority groups and women who were tired of being used as shields by the journalists to hide behind. Its easy to call groups racist, sexist, homophobic, etc, when you erase the minority groups and women in it and then prop up those same groups as justification for your attacks.
Adam Baldwin coined the term GamerGate. The combination of the mass censorship and the Gamers Are Dead articles sparked things into a massive wildfire of anger. People accused many sites, like GameRanx, Polygon, Kotaku and Gamasutra of collusion, failure to disclose, narrative pushing, unfair bias and other ethical botches.
Then came the GameJournoPros leak. GJP was a mailing list where people from those sites, and more, were in communication. There were clear violations in that mailing list correspondences, including collusion and even illegal blacklisting. This list has existed for years.
Since then, GamerGate has continued to uncover issues of censorship, narrative pushing, ethical breaks and other bullshit.
Now, what you may have heard? “GamerGate wants to remove women from gaming”. This is bullshit in the extreme. GamerGate targets the unethical, with practically public enemy No 1 being Ben “Sayittomyface” Kuchera, a dude working at Polygon.
GamerGate is extremely welcoming of women, of everyone. It just has a low tolerance for bullshit and unethical practices in gaming. The unfortunate truth of the matter is that by positioning itself as such, it has become a massive enemy for Social Justice Warriors and radical feminism trying to co-opt gaming. Thus the accusations of misogyny, despite some of the loudest proponents of GamerGate being women. Myself included.
GamerGate, to date:
Caused several sites to update ethical policies
Expose innumerable ethical failings in the games media
Donated over 140k for various charities, many for women
Cost Gawker, Kotaku’s owner, a number in the millions in ad revenue by stripping their advertisers
Potentially similar with Gamasutra and Polygon, though they have not admitted it
Has, even 9 months later, kept a 10k tweet per day presence on Twitter
Has almost 35k Redditt subscribers
If you see the girl above, that is Vivan James (a play on Vidya Games), GamerGate’s mascot of sorts. She is the result of GamerGate’s almost 10k contribution to The Fine Young Capitalists, a charity that was working on getting women into video game development by funding a woman’s game (note: This project was going to be shut down before said contribution because Zoe Quinn set her followers to attack and harass TFYC into oblivion).
The game in question is called Afterlife Empire and is now on Steam Greenlight. Vivian James was the result, a character to show up in the game, depicted as an average girl who just liked to play video games.
Much fan art of her exists and she has her own knowyourmeme page.
Browse the Encyclopedia Dramatica page (warning, ED is extremely inflammatory and uses terms like ‘fag’ ‘tranny’ etc but this “give no fucks” attitude means they kept a far more neutral coverage of GamerGate than many other sites)
Vivian James was designed by /v/ and will be a featured character in TFYC's game, right? What if the girl whose game is voted on decides she doesn't want that character in her game? And can you explain why /v/ thought she would in the first place? Also, I recently saw an image of Vivian James someone made where she's taking a bunch of red pills. Can you explain how this character isn't representative of sexist ideologies?
Google who this is and explain to me how this image doesn’t destroy all good work she did.
Then understand one image doesn’t define who a woman is.
There's no proof that GG edited that guy's photo, and same guy is a pedophile apologist. But sure, go ahead and defend him. Also, only two of those Steam reviews for Skullgirls were confirmed to be from GGers and looky-looky, other GGers stood up against those reviewers. Also, I love how you have a "feminist-ified" version of Vivian James in your logo even though she's literally the mascot for The Fine Young Capitalists, a group of feminists trying to get more women in the gaming industry. Lol.
You don’t know anything about tfyc or gg and even well known ggers who are gross human beings know and admit it was gg related, they just try and act like it was a minority.
I’ve been following Gamergate since before it was Gamergate, the little you know about Vj and tfyc and the whole history there tells me it’s not the same for you. You should read more and qq less.
Close. There were no reviews -- in fact, almost no one, anywhere, actually reviewed it. However the timeline is a little off. Grayson wrote about the game less than a week before the ex alleges he was sleeping with Quinn. And Quinn and Grayson are on video sharing a hotel room at GDC at least a week prior to said writing.
“turns out i’ve got nothing so i’ll just suggest her game sucks instead”
so unless i’m missing something in the whopping two gaming news outlets he has worked for this year: you are completely wrong, try again
oh i see you already tried again
Even if the start of this was a little shaky (I’m fairly sure it wasn’t) it’s evolved into something much bigger. We’re not concerned with Quinn’s antics anymore, we haven’t been for a while. We’re mostly dealing with nepotism and corruption.
rofl “we’re not concerned with quinn’s antics any more” and then you open with quinn’s antics, jesus christ.
so, you’re “fairly sure”
you have a whole big clusterfuck of people here running around leveling accusations carefully designed to threaten whole careers
and you are “fairly sure”
it also turns out you are “completely fucking wrong”, just like almost everything i’ve been told is the root of this circus. just like every idiot who’s approached me on twitter to tell me i’m wrong, then mumbled “ummm do your research” when pressed for concrete detail
nepotism? corruption? like the accusation that zoe quinn doxed TFYC, which never happened? like the positive reviews for depression quest in exchange for sex, which don’t exist? like the condemning of leigh alexander for the crime of owning a side business? like the disparaging of jenn frank for writing an article supporting someone she knows?
that is an exact exhaustive list of the examples of “corruption” i have been given, and wow, hey, what an incredible coincidence: those people are all women.
giving you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not just a raging woman-hating misogynist, i’m sorry to have to tell you: you have been had by some raging woman-hating misogynists. they have framed their crap in terms of Our Tribe Is Under Siege Oh No and you have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
it’s basically the same tactic the republican party uses to keep racism alive: just use the word “welfare” instead, along with the traditional stereotypes of laziness and inferiority and worthlessness. people will practically turn it into us-vs-them for you. it’s like magic! if you’re lucky, they’ll even spice it up with some moral panic!
this isn’t about the generalization of gamers, or corruption in journalism, or whatever slimy excuse 4chan is puking out now. it’s about a bunch of maladjusted teenagers who have absolutely nothing going for them except that they know how to move a crosshair with a joystick, and they are fucking terrified that no one’s impressed by that any more. even girls can do it now! what happened! CORRUPTION
don’t get me wrong, there’s totally corruption in the game industry. but most of it lies with the publishers. strange, isn’t it, that this flash mob is going after the journalists instead of the people who have all the actual power and control? why do you think that is?
i have a guess: because doing a goddamn thing about the real sleaze in gaming would require not playing a popular game. and for a group of people whose very identity revolves around suckling the teat of big publishers, that is literally unthinkable.
tl;dr you and all of gamergate are completely full of shit
Ah Dobson. If a woman disagrees with you, clearly they aren’t thinking straight.
Also he critizes Gamer Gate for something they didn’t really do (Vivian was created for a game made by TFYC) and doesn’t think about the irony of using a female character as a shield from criticism when he was just doing that
One day I’m going to find him and mail him a nicely made scrap book of carnivale masks.
You're all pretty awesome people. Sadly I must unfollow. I'm fed up with gamergate. I'm tired of people on GG side not understanding that their side has been tied beyond redemption to 8chan, harassment and doxxing. I'm fed up of "Not all Gamergate does that". If there is any good points to GG at all, they are lost to the fact that just anyone can do any shitty thing and say #Gamergate. It's stupid and it need to organize itself. And seeing you defend it without seeing this makes me uncomfortable
Actually I completely understand that.
I just don’t see why with GamerGate, we’re “inexplicably tied” to the bad apples, yet anti-GamerGaters are not equally tied to their bad apples. Doxxing has happened on both sides, as has harassment. In fact whereas GamerGate has stuck with the same basic tag, anti-GamerGate has invented a multitude of tags for the EXPRESSED PURPOSE of insulting and degrading gamers. ALL gamers, not just GamerGaters. GamerGate has #GamerGate, and #NotYourShield which exists to spotlight diversity in the gaming community. Anti-GamerGate has…#DescribeaGamerin4Words, which existed solely to make outdated, insulting and erasing jokes about gamers (such as calling ALL gamers white, male, ugly virgins), #killallgamers and #neverkissagamer, which are self explanatory, and numerous different hijackings INCLUDING this scenario where they hijacked a tag intended for CANCER SURVIVORS.
Yet it’s GamerGaters who should feel ashamed and distance themselves? Bullying is incredibly rampant in anti-GamerGate but I’ve never seen a person tell them THEY need to clean up or do anything to fix their side. And of course, the media would never cover this…
The bad apples of GamerGate get blown up by the media while anti-GamerGate bullies get downplayed. Now why is this? Why would they do this? It’s almost like the prime purpose of GamerGate is to expose media corruption and in order to speak over this, media has tried to focus in the rare bad parts of GamerGate and blow those out of proportion. It’s almost like media has an immediate and direct benefit if GamerGate falls. That makes a helluva lot more sense than “GamerGate invented thousands of fake female and POC gamers and are actually literally all terrorists”. The fact is, less than a fraction of a percent of GamerGate tweets are about Zoe Quinn, who supposedly is what “started” it. And how many of those are strictly about the media scandal that involved her? THAT is how big the “bad apples” you say we’re connect to are - they’re a statistical error. Fuck, they’re even SMALLER than a statistical error. They barely exist at all. You see them because that is who the media blows up - that is who the media has decided is the “center”. It would be reporting a protest as a disastrous terrorist fest just because two guys out of the thousands there set a trash can on fire.
But let’s focus on the good GamerGate has done, and how anti-GamerGate has desperately tried to destroy this good work in order to then cry “SEE YOU DO NOTHING FOR WOMEN”.
Gamers, being people who are often victimized by bullying, have done a lot to recognize anti-bullying campaigns. Anti-GamerGate has actively called for the Holocaust of gamers everywhere. This guy, Geordie Tait, is the pinnacle of hatred and has quite a following. Fortunately, StarCityGames FINALLY deleted his author page but he continues to have plenty of supporters. (Geordie is also wonderfully Islamophobic…)
Of course no discussion of GamerGate would be complete without The Fine Young Capitalists. This is an organization which actively works to support and engage women in the gaming community. It’s their entire purpose for existing. Anti-GamerGate HACKED THIER FUCKING INDIEGOGO AND TOOK IT DOWN BECAUSE, and I’m not kidding here, THEY LET 4CHAN DONATE A TON OF MONEY TO THEIR PROGRAM. Anti-GamerGate protested this company that’s actually DOING something JUST BECAUSE they didn’t tell a huge contributor “No I don’t want your money”. 4Chan even offered to help make videos highlighting the influence women have had on the gaming community. ANTI-GAMERGATE FUCKING PROTESTED THIS. Then when 4Chan was told they could make a character for one of the games TFYC were working on, anti-GamerGaters tried to tear her down, even though, despite their cries that all Gamers forcefully make women sexual and devoid of personality, this is the character they made:
GamerGate is expected to do what Feminism never was. While feminists are allowed to completely ignore radfems, TERFs and their bad apples, and go “Oh but that’s not ALL feminists”, GamerGaters somehow have to consistently defend themselves, catch the people who are doing wrong even if they aren’t GamerGaters, recognize and promote women in gaming just to make sure they don’t get labeled as misogynists, and at the same time focus on the actual purpose of GamerGate which is exposing unethical journalism.
Why the holy fuck do we berate GamerGate for not managing this impossible feat, yet if you point out bad feminists or say you don’t want to be a feminist because of the bad ones, people scream “BUT NOT ALL FEMINISTS ARE LIKE THAT OMG DON’T YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF FEMINISM!”
#Gamergate was started by men who wanted to shame and harass a female game dev, and the term coined by a a celebrity gamer with a history of sexist comments online. If you want a movement that changes gaming, it's NOT "Gamer Gate." GG is about threatening three women out of their homes. But you'd rather continue a movement that is a vehicle for that. Disgusting.
Actually, Gamergate was started by Adam Baldwin.
But the movement that led to Gamergate, 5Guys, isn’t what you say it is. 5Guys was the disgust at the blatant use of sex to get something Zoe wanted. It is about the disgusting behavior, the hypocrisy and nepotism involved with the whole thing.
Zoe slept with her boss. She slept with Robin Arnette. She slept with Nathan Greyson. Of those, two had direct benefits to her, her boss and Arnette. Greyson denies the relationship happened while he wrote positively about her but pictures of them acting chummy came forward afterward that pretty much shoots that argument down. At best, they were close friends, at worst they were sleeping together. Either one was a conflict of interest that Greyson didn’t disclose until he got caught.
Zoe also attacked and set her cronies on TFYC. It ended up nearly destroying the charity. She blamed Wizardchan for harassing her, which they proved false.
The hypocrisy is that if she were a man, she’d be hung out to dry. In the last year, TWO scandals hit gaming. The creator of CAH was accused of rape, and a dude sent sexual texts to a game dev. Both were covered extensively by the game journalists. But not Zoe Quinn. When it was a man, their private lives were fair game, when it was a woman, her private life was sacred.
Holding somebody accountable is not harassment.
And, see, here’s the thing. None of those threats actually are linked to Gamergate. You can’t do it. There is no proof. You’d like it to be, so you can shut Gamergate up, but you can’t.
You seem to forget that #notyourshield is a thing. You seem to forget that Gamergate has called for the resignation of several male journos. You seem to forget that Gamergaters have been doxxed, threatened, harassed and some have lost their jobs due to at work harassment.
Holding people accountable for their actions is not harassment. Gamergate has repeatedly helped take down harassers, ones even targeting Anita Sarkeesian. But you don’t care about that. Not really. That would hurt your narrative.