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Why Gregory House is an INTJ

I have seen House typed as an ENTP, INTP, ISTP, ESTP, ISTJ, and an ENTJ. 

None of these are correct. I understand the arguments behind them, but these arguments are incorrect. 

The most valid argument is for House being an ISTP: He is definitely an Se user, and he appears to have inferior Fe, and dominant Ti. This argument is partially correct; he is an Se user, and he seems Ti dominant. However, he seems Ti dominant due to his enneagram type; House is a 5, and the 5-ish desire for knowledge and understanding makes him seem as though he desires knowledge for the sake of knowledge. This is false. He desires knowledge for practical use; he learns a language so that he can speak it if he needs to, he reads up on medicine so that he can better practice medicine, he learns about people so that he can manipulate them and understand their motives. Although he is more intellectual than many Te users, all of the knowledge he gathers ultimately serves a purpose. This can be mistaken for Ti dominance.

Another problem with the ISTP argument is that House is detached from the problem; he doesn’t want to interact with his patients, he doesn’t want to observe them. He looks over the file, orders his team to run some tests, and diagnoses based on the information. An ISTP would not voluntarily function like this; they would want to examine the patient, talk to them, inspect the patient’s home and workplace, all with their own hands. ISTPs need to interact with the information in order to feel comfortable making deductions, and they are rarely comfortable making assumptions. INTJs need to know the information in order to feel comfortable making deductions, and they are perfectly comfortable making assumptions. House’s Se is well developed, but he doesn’t want to use it to problem-solve. He wants to rely on his intuition. 

His Ni manifests in a way that can be mistaken for Ti; he steps back to analyze the problem, then gets a solution. But this is actually an Ni process; when he steps back, he begins to analyze the information internally; he allows it to settle, to process. Then, his intuition returns the information in a more processed form. This is textbook Ni. 

Further evidence for Ni is how his insights are often triggered by other information; Ni works through meta data, or information about information. When House is talking to Wilson, and Wilson says something that triggers House to have an insight about his patient, that is Ni. Ni connects the dots, makes connections. This is different from the Ne way of forming connections; Ne creates connections, Ni sees connections.

Ne can start at a point and continue on from there: “I am holding a banana. How many letters in banana? 6. What is the sixth letter of the sentence ‘I am holding a banana?’ ‘l.’ How do we pronounce ‘l?’ ‘El.’ ‘What begins with ‘El?’ ‘Electric.’ What is electric? iPads in the shape of triangles. That’s right, triangles. Illuminati confirmed.” 

Ni starts at a point and finds another point, and draws a line between them: “I am holding a banana. It’s Tuesday. Last time I was craving a banana was last Tuesday. There’s got to be something to explain that.” 

House is Ni. He finds a point, and then another point, and he finds the connection between them. He notices patterns and connections that others do not, because others don’t draw these kinds of connections. 

Another things that House displays is Fi. The best example is in season 2 when Cameron visits House’s apartment (no pun intended). Cameron says something along the lines of “I thought you saved people lives because you wanted to help them. Now I see that you do it because it’s right.” House’s principles are just that; principles. They are applied constantly, even when a more personalized approach would have been better. They involve absolutes; there is either a right or wrong way to do something. Fe is more accepting of multiple viewpoints; some people think this way, others think that way. Fi and Ti share a trait of wanting consistency; the difference is that Ti wants logical consistency, while Fi wants ethical consistency. If someone says lying is wrong, and then lies, an Fi user will be enraged, regardless of whether or not the person had a good reason; the person has contradicted their own ethical statement. If lying is wrong, that means all lying is wrong, in all circumstances and at all times. Because of this, Fi users tend to define their ethics carefully; for instance, Nietzsche believed that humans could be treated differently depending on whether they belonged to the class that was fit to serve or the class that was fit to rule. This is Fi; it has to be specific, because ethics have to be universal. Fe is more flexible; it can incorporate external data at any given point in time. If a person lies, they may excuse it if the person had a good motive; because in the mind of an Fe user, ethical consistency is unimportant. It is the emotions of others that matter when evaluating the goodness or badness of an action. House is clearly Fi from this standpoint. Further evidence includes his unwillingness to share his emotions and his need to process emotions on his own before sharing them.

Finally, we arrive at the final piece of the puzzle. House’s inferior Se. The best example of his Se is when he and Cuddy (spoiler alert) break up. He immediately clears out his bank account, checks into a hotel, has prostitutes brought up to his room, and starts taking Vicodin again after being clean for a year. Se avoids a lack of sensory stimulation, as sensory stimulation is what is uses to draw conclusions; as such, when in the grip of their Se, INJs will avoid a lack of sensory stimulation. The only way to ignore a lack of sensory stimulation is to stimulate the senses, and this leads to consuming alcohol or drugs in excess, doing what is fun, trying out new physical activities, and so on. His inferior Se is also shown by his philosophy that seeing the patient will compromise his ability to make a rational decision. This is partially Te, but also a rejection of physical evidence (Se). 

As such, we can conclude that Gregory House is an Ni dominant, and uses tertiary Fi. It is fairly easy to prove Te as well (everything needs to be rational, how he is pragmatic before considering ethics or feelings of others), but in proving Ni, Fi and Se, Te can be assumed. House is not an ENTP, INTP, ISTP, ESTP, ENTJ, or (god forbid) an ISTJ. 

INTP Framework

Ask in the form of a submission from  lelouch415. Response is mine.

Ask: Is it possible to use Ti to comprehend societal norms while using Ne to appear to be a more social and charismatic person paired with Si and Fe to understand visual ques of how one should and shouldn’t act in the moment while understanding peoples motivations to get to the point of a conversation they can get stuck into as a starting point to bring up theoretical conversation which also interests me?


Response: An INTP uses their secondary function to comprehend the outer world. Ti is actually what leads INTPs to struggle with the norms of society and why they reject them and typically live outside of the norms. Ne helps give the INTP an objective view of the outer world and their place in it. Ti is a very subjective function. It is important to recognize that tertiary Si should work on a less conscious level. Si and Fe if used directly lead INTPs to be incredibly anti-social. What you are describing is a better use of the secondary function in order to get outside of yourself and read others. 

anonymous asked:

I'm an intj who has taken the test multiple times, but I have a lot of intp personality traits. Is this normal or was I mistyped?

Hmmm, interesting. I think I have mentioned a few times on this blog about my personal experience typing myself, and how I initially typed myself as INTJ, too. This was of course before I came into contact with the cognitive functions. If you haven’t already, I would highly suggest you learn a little bit about them, they can be a helpful tool when trying to figure out your type.

The thing is, INTJs and INTP can seem very similar superficially. After all, the only difference in their four letter type is P/J. So they’ve gotta be really similar, right?

Well, not necessarily. That P/J on the end actually dramatically changes the personality, since it is what essentially makes both types have opposite cognitive functions.

The cognitive functions for INTP are

Ti (Introverted Thinking) - internal logic, logical consistency, objectivity, what makes personal sense in a situation

Ne (Extroverted Intuition) - connecting abstract ideas, thoughts, concepts

Si (Introverted Sensing) - thinking about how past events could apply to the present, applying it to practical everyday scenarios, sticking to ideas or solutions which have worked in the past

Fe (Extroverted Feeling) - hoping to maintain group harmony, desiring to help people, adhering to social conventions/norms

The cognitive functions for INTJ, on the other hand…

Ni (Introverted Intuition) - understanding underlying patterns/themes/concepts in events, predicting future events

Te (Extroverted Thinking) - organization, efficiency, planning, leading, adhering to external logical systems

Fi (Introverted Feeling) - remaining true to deeply ingrained moral values, striving for authenticity

Se (Extroverted Sensing) - noticing changes in one’s environment, being very perceptive, eye for aesthetics, thrill-seeking, ‘live in the moment’

(This is a GROSS simplification of the functions, if you want to find out more I would recommend funkymbtifiction as well as Heidi Priebe over at thoughtcatalog, there are some great articles regarding the functions).

So as you can see, their entire perception of the world is… different. Both INTJs and INTP tend to be sort of aloof, maybe seem a little cold, overly-logical, etc. However an INTP’s aloofness seems to stem from their detachment from emotional bases; they make judgements and choices based on what logically makes sense to them without really considering the emotional impacts this might have on themselves or others. An INTJ’s aloofness is, I think, more based on their tendency to go for the solution that is the most efficient and/or will produce the best long term results, without really taking into account the emotional impacts. But an INTP deep down does want to be accepted by their peers and secretly wants emotional validation (inferior Fe) whereas an INTJ wants to be authentic, and has a more intimate emotional process which is difficult to articulate to others (tertiary Fi).

Another main difference between INTJs and INTPs is Ni versus Ne. I think that in general, INTJs tend to be more sure of their actions, conclusions, decisions, etc than an INTP will. This is a product of Ni-Te. The INTJ will look for one solution and stick to it, and will prove its efficiency with facts, statistics, data etc (Te). On the other hand, although an INTP’s logical consistency may be entirely sound (Ti), they are prone to looking for other alternatives, possibilities, and as a result may believe that there are other ways to solve the problem (Ne).

(Quick aside/tangent: The Platonic Socrates is a classic INTP. He is incredibly logical and uses this sound logic to answer complex questions, but never does he admit to being undoubtedly and unquestionably correct in his conclusions. He often claims ignorance and insists that all he really knows is that he in fact does not know - a very Ne-ish sentiment.)

Another thing you could do to compare the types is look at their inferiors. The INTJ’s inferior function is Se, and whilst in an inferior grip, an INTJ will be prone to overindulgence, reckless behaviour, etc. INTJs (especially with underdeveloped Se) may find they aren’t incredibly perceptive of things in their environment. On the other hand, the INTPs inferior lies in Fe. An INTP in a Fe grip on the other hand may become uncharacteristically emotional.

It is possible that you’ve mistyped, particularly if you haven’t looked into the functions. On the other hand, you could just be an INTJ who is, say, a bit disorganized or something and thus believing yourself to be INTP. I don’t have all the details so it is difficult to make an accurate judgement - exactly what INTP traits do you identify with? If it has anything to do with lack of organization or being spontaneous (namely, the stereotypical ‘P’ traits), I would say you are probably still an INTJ. Since J/P really don’t have all that much bearing on actual MBTI theory (more placeholders than anything, really).

I hope this somewhat helped you, and if not please please please don’t hesitate to send me another ask, or message me, or anything at all!

Elusive Introverted Intuition: What is it?

No matter what source you look at Introverted iNtuition [Ni] never seems to be properly explained. It is always vague with descriptions like “AHA” moments, deep perception, and mystical like psychic abilities. Or you get tumblr, which is probably filled with the most misinformation about the function. (Don’t get me started on forums where people make baseless claims and just cause even more mass confusion). Then the worst reasoning for dominant Ni I have ever seen is “long term planning/goals.” As if no other types, just the rarest in the population, have this ability. 

So where do we start and figure out what this function actually is? Out of credible sources (peer reviewed articles and books) even their descriptions seem vague and are difficult to imagine and actually apply. Unlike all other functions described in their purest form, the dominant position, it can’t seem to be described as its own function. What I mean is Ni can’t seem to be described alone, but must be paired with other functions INJs use in their stack in order to illustrate the function. But at that point you are no longer describing Ni, but the personality type as a whole. Sources seem to dance around the actual definition or explanation of Ni. And it is utterly bothersome. What is it at its core?

I think going into where this misinformation comes from will help ground us in the actual function of Ni in its purest form in INFJs and INTJs. Once this is uncovered we will see why these types are so rare and perhaps glorify them less. This way we don’t see them as mythical unicorns, but people with pros and cons like the rest of the personality types.

1. “Gut Feelings” or AHA moments. Let’s start with Lenore Thomson’s beginning description of the function, “Introverted intuition is more cerebral than the [other perceiving function]. It prompts an interest in perception itself – the process of recognizing and interpreting what we take in” (222). What we take from this is that INJs are theoretical filters. They take in information and focus in on it, they mull over it. INJ’s intuition is very focused and trying to look for a conclusion. From the outside when they finally verbalize their conclusions it can look like a “gut feeling” or AHA moment. But this is a false representation of what is going on inside the mind of an INJ. They worked very hard to get to that conclusion, seeming aloof or empty for so long cause they were so focused inward that once they formulated their conclusion they come back to the land of living to share this information. However, in a dominant position INJs are less inclined to engage with others about their ideas/conclusions, ESPECIALLY when the ideas/conclusions aren’t fully formulated.

Unlike Extroverted intuition types (ENPs) who will blurt out all their theories and ideas aloud to bounce them off others and then hide away not letting others know about their full conclusions, INJs do the exact opposite. They are bouncing these ideas within their own minds. Let us use the act of painting an art piece to demonstrate how this works. Think of the paintings as theories/ideas these people have. Ne (extroverted intuition) will look at the canvas and see a billion possibilities. 

ENPs will be unable to resist painting right away even without, often without, a full picture of what they want to produce as their end art piece. They will make mistakes and chuck out a canvas and replace it anew. Each time they will ask for feedback, probably cutting off people and finishing their thoughts because they share them too and don’t want to sit through a person repeating what they know. After a while of this they will finally have a completed piece of art. Although their workshop is messy, it is completed. AKA the final theory is formed. 

The INJ is different. They look at the blank canvas for a very, very long time. The paints are left untouched and it is absolute silence. They are in an intense state of concentration. In their mind they are imagining the end result they want and how to get there. What will they mix together to get to that end result they so imagine? They will then painstakingly make that vision come to life on the canvas, making sure not one stroke is off. No room for mistakes. It will take an unfortunate amount of time. But once it is finished, if it is exactly the conclusion or painting they wanted in their minds. The INJ will then show it to others, but only then. 

Now, we can see the obvious social differences here. The ENP needed feedback, needed to physically see their ideas in the outside world, and needed a few practice ones. The INJ being introverted kept their work private and not until it was perfect then share it with others. This is why they appear to have “AHA” moments or gut feelings. Because to the outsider it looks like the painter INJ is absent, not there. Then suddenly an idea pops in their minds and they go for it. That isn’t what happened though. Every part of the painting the INJ thought about before physically implementing it. Every part was thought out and methodical. It was brought to a linear conclusion, aka polished to an inch of its life, before the INJ enacted it. There wasn’t an idea from no where. It was an idea the INJ worked, actively worked, hard to achieve. 

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INTJ Problems

INTJ: *puts something in bag*

30 seconds later

INTJ: Wait, did I put that thing in my bag or nah? 

INTJ: *tries to remember* Shit, I totally didn’t!

INTJ: *checks* Fjdjbds I knew it! I didn’t put it here. Where did I put it omg

INTJ: *randomly checking different zips* 

INTJ: Oh! It was here all along. I knew I wasn’t a careless person who can’t take care of their things

2 hours later

INTJ: Where did I put that thing

  • Ne:Hey
  • Ne:I can come up with 15 alternative titles for Adele´s Hello
  • Ne:Bellow from the other side
  • Ne:Willow from the other side (I whip my hair back n forth)
  • Ne:Otello from the other side
  • Ne:Elbow from the other side
  • Ne:Hello from the other kite
  • Ne:Bread dough for the other bride
  • Ne:Van Gogh chopped his ear of, right?
  • Ne:Lotto winners are adequately supplied :/
  • Ne:Game show feat. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
  • Ne:Bigfoot used to be hyped
  • Ne:Otto choked on cyanide (he´s dead now, RIP Otto)
  • Ne:Bilbo likes to hide
  • Ne:Side from the other hello
  • Ni:WHY
  • Ni:And there are still two left
Cognitive Functions as People

Ti: A tall, pale woman with long dark hair. Thin face, wearing a thin sweater underneath her lab coat. Long black pants, clean cut figure. Small-lensed, round glasses. Sharp nose, small, piercing gray eyes. Pale lips. Thin, arching eyebrows, and sweeping bangs. Think Caroline from Portal 2.

Te: A tall, dark man, with very short salt-and-pepper hair. Almost a buzz cut. Rounder face, wearing a t-shirt underneath a leather jacket. Long, torn jeans. Round, dark brown eyes that glint with intelligence. Callused fingertips, with dents from guitar strings.

Fi: A small, slightly chubby girl, with shoulder length brown-blond hair. Clad in an oversized, light tan sweater. Small nose, pointed chin. Rolled up jeans, a floral print bandana in her hair. Large, light brown eyes that hint at creativity. A light purple and red birthmark above her left eye.

Fe: A woman with about average height, almost perfect posture. Chin length copper hair, spiky and soft. Wearing a red and white polka dot skirt that comes to her knees. Soft, round face. Round nose. White blouse, and a thin red headband. Soft brown eyes that hint at friendliness. A long red burn scar across both palms.

Si: A teenage boy. Rather small for his age. Long, shaggy black hair. A sharp, small nose and an angular face. Pale ice blue eyes. Thick eyebrows, thin lips, sharp cheekbones. An oversized gray hoodie. Pale skinny denim jeans, and a pair of hiking boots. Thin shoulders. Three or four thin scars beneath his hairline.

Se: A teenage girl. About average height. A round, cheerful face. Athletic build. Long, blond hair with ashy brown lowlights. A knee length, fluttery purple skirt. A pink tank top, and bright purple studs in her ears. Bright green eyes, rimmed with glitter purple eyeliner. Long, French tip nails.

Ni: A tall, slender woman. Broader shoulders, long legs. A thin, long face with dark stormy gray eyes. A thin nose, and a short, black, A-line bob. Knee length gray pencil skirt. A white tank top, with a black cardigan. Black flats. White barrettes keeping her bangs back.

Ne: A tall, broad man, average height. Short, cropped brown hair. Close set, dark blue eyes. Large, round nose, and a triangular face. A broad forehead, muscular shoulders, and a thick white coat. Long, tattered black jeans. Bitten fingernails, and paint splattered across the face.

The cognitive functions - 

I decided to draw the teachers. The cognitive functions.
From left to right: Ni, Ne, Si, Se :)

These perceiving functions are girls whilst the judging functions are boys. I hope everybody is fine with it.
I had much fun drawing Si. Se was the most difficult. I at first wanted to make a warrior out of her *lol*. But I need to be realistic so well~
I hope you like them.
I maybe will paint it. But I still see flaws in this picture, especially in Se *sighs*.

P.S: Ni’s brand is on her back but her hair covers it.
P.P.S: I maaaaybe will change something of them.
P.P.P.S: Ni is an indian girl (but I can’t make her skin darker with pen… I need to colour her skin brown). And Ne is an asian (what a surprise). Se is italian (why do I always see Se as mediterranean human?).