Laineybot YouNow 62017 (AFTER ONISION DEBATE) 9 min. version
I have condensed Lainey’s 58 minute Younow live stream down to 9 minutes. Lainey shit talked Joy for a total of 9 minutes on her live stream just only minutes after her and Joy had a very nice conversion during what was suppose to be a debate with Onision.
See Lainey’s complete video here on The Blargh’s channel:
In light of recent events, here is a post detailing Greg’s relationships with underage girls. Getting in trouble with the legal age of consent is nothing new to Greg and something he has a lot of experience defending himself for. I hope this sheds some light to the current situation with his forums and exploiting his underage fans.
In this screenshot, Shiloh recounts her abusive relationship with Greg again but with more details into his warped sexual fantasies. Near the end Shiloh mentions how young she was when she was taken advantage of and announces her fear that Taylor could experience the same abuse. She makes a point to mention her age being the same as Taylor’s when they began their relationship with Greg.
Greg knowingly entered a relationship with Taylor while she was underage and attending high school. Greg met with lawyers frequently to confirm the legality of their relationship, while Taylor’s father objected that it was illegal in his opinion. The age of consent in New Mexico being 17. Greg and Taylor met only 10 days making contact online and had sex the first day they met in person. Greg obviously does not take issue with having sexual relationships with minors. Greg also married Taylor secretly from her parents only a month after turning 18! Which doesn’t seem totally underhanded and sketchy at all! /s
Billie joined their relationship in the end of 2015/early 2016 when she was 18 years old. Age of consent in Billie’s home state, Virginia, is 18. I find it curious that Greg seems to carefully check the laws before pursuing anything. He’s aware he is doing something morally wrong and knows he can get into some legal shit if he isn’t careful.
Also here is a screenshot of Taylor patronizing Billie for her age even though she was even younger when she got with Greg.
Greg like to harp on to the fact that a lot of his criticizers seem to point out the fact that he’s been in multiple questionable relationships with minors, and still feels like he hasn’t done anything wrong. The fact that this has happened not once, but twice shows his true intentions when it comes to children. Greg likes to forget the fact that teenagers are still children.
His Audience in General
OnisionDrama made a great post outlining Greg’s target demographic and why YouTube analytics aren’t exactly a valid reference when trying to determine the average age of an Onision fan. I know personally I lied about my age online from the time I was 12-17, which is the exact age range of Greg’s followers. Here we have multiple polls from 2012-2016 showing the majority of fans are indeed minors. Which is why most of the girls featured in his “body positivity” videos are underage.
Here is a poll from Taylor as well, showing most of their shared demographic being under 16 years old.
Sarah is a friend of Taylor’s. They began talking when she was 14. After her sixteenth birthday, Greg and Taylor started housing her officially. She moved in with them around Halloween 2016 and has been there since. The age of consent is 16 in Washington. Notice how once again, Greg calculated the perfect time to move her in after she became legal.
What I feel to be pretty damning against Onision’s case of “dindu nuffin wrong” was the email scandal that happened in 2013. Someone sent Greg an email claiming to be a model/actress that would like to collaborate sometime, she mentioned being 17 years old, and attached a topless photo. Greg then pursued and asked for her facebook for more pictures and to communicate further. After this came out to the public, Greg began the process of covering his own ass at first by saying “I didn’t see her age!” then later changing it to “I never opened the attachment!”.
Another piece of damning evidence is how much Greg has announced that he isn’t a therapist. He has no desire to help his followers.
He never wanted to offer guidance to his audience. He dismissed and out right ignored any fans emailing him for help/advice. But now he has changed his tune since it’s more convenient for him to act like his videos are therapy for those who need it, rather than admitting he was asking for pictures of minors’ bodies.
It’s also important to note context. Greg says the photos are harmless and nothing you wouldn’t see in a public swimming pool. The context of underwear though is that is IS private. Swimwear serves an obvious purpose for being comfortable clothing specially to swim in. Underwear’s purpose is to protect your genitals, it is meant for privacy, to be worn underneath clothing. The hard difference between the two is obvious, swimwear is public, while underwear is private.
So understand that photos of underage girls alone in their room, posing in bra and panties, will always been seen in a sexual context.
So what we can gather from all of the above is:
Greg has no issues being in sexual relationships with minors. As long as it’s barely within the legal limits, he has no moral opposition to dating children.
Greg invites minors into his life and supports relationships with minors even as young as 13.
Greg is aware of his demographic’s age and takes advantage of their naivety for sexually themed photographs of minors.
Greg never intended his “body positivity” videos to be helpful. Greg never had any intentions on helping his fans.
Greg is not qualified to comment on the health of developing girls’ bodies. Greg has no medical certifications nor any experience in the medical field. This includes therapy.
Greg somehow doesn’t understand that you legally can’t make money from minors’ images without parental consent. Minors cannot legally consent without their parents permission.
No matter how many excuses Greg comes up with, there’s no way he can talk himself out of being a hebephile piece of trash.
Let’s talk about the last couple days with Onision. He posted a video about Shane Dawson (Why aren’t we surprised?) And had several melt downs.
Anyway in the direct messages he had with Joy Sparkle Bs he agreed to do the debate on Youtube Live. Then back tracked and said he would do it on Lainey’s YouNow and made a poll asking everyone which platform was more glitchy in hopes to validate himself in some way. (Everyone said YouNow so that backfired.) He then says he won’t do it on Youtube because he doesn’t want Joy to profit. Joy said repeatedly that she would donate everything to charity. She even said she would donate $200 of her own money right then in good faith and she would later prove that all the money raised was given to charity. Onision says no the only way he will do it is if it’s on Lainey’s YouNow because no one will profit. (Lainey is his wife. Even if they have different bank accounts anything she spent the money on food, bills, anything for the kids, or even make up to use on her Youtube channel he would profit. Because they are married so it’s their bills, their kids, their food, and if she uses the make up in videos and gets paid for those videos he again profits.)
So he’s on YouNow and gets excited to see Jaclyn. (Honestly his reaction was pretty creepy. Like you could tell her was so excited but he was trying to keep his cool. Which he tried to seem chill the whole time but you could tell by the way he spoke and by how hard he was trying to stay calm he was freaking out on the inside. Well he’s pissed because Social Repose is there so he tries to guilt him about his ACTUAL stalker. He said Social Repose should apologize to the girl for what happened because that’s what he would do. Which we all know is complete bullshit. If a fan showed up to Greg’s house uninvited he would freak the fuck out. Make a video about it. And call the girl a retarded bitch or a cunt or many different names. Thats how he handles shit. Lastly he made a comment about Jaclyn’s boobs and again we’re not surprised.
I can’t remember if Jeff came in before those two or after but Onision refused to actually listen to what he said at first and kept saying shit. And even said “How many times do I have to say this to you?” Which is hilarious because people repeatedly say stuff to him and he literally ignores them. So at this point Jeff is like wtf dude why isn’t this guy listening? You know like when you’re saying something to a kid and you repeat yourself a million times and then you get annoyed because they aren’t listening? That’s what happened and then Jeff went off. I thought it was funny. Onision thought he was some kind of puppet master but literally no one thought that.
So Joy finally comes in. She called him sweetie, or hun and he was like, “My name is Greg. Call me Greg.” And she was like “Sorry I get a little brain fogged due to this illness I have.” And then he kept saying she was mentally ill and trying to invalidate what she was saying by that. Even though he admitted he is mentally ill and so is he wife. But somehow they aren’t invalidated? He then made comments about her hair, called her a bitch a couple times, asked why she wanted to get sued so bad. (She basically wants him to try and sue her to 1. Call his bluff. And 2. Prove that he can’t really sue her because legally she has done nothing wrong.) Really just wouldn’t listen to her, let her finish a point, and kept just trying to over talk her. That’s why she kept having to yell. He then bitches out and leaves.
Lainey comes in and talks. She did cry but it was because of the subject not because of Joy. Joy was actually decent to Lainey. Even if she was being fake she still had the decency to try and treat Lainey like a person.
Sara later came in and again Joy treated her like a person. She could have been being fake right then too but she still didn’t come in an insult her. Even though Sara called her a bitch in her first message to her.
Lainey’s sister came in a one point. And she did what Onision did which was try and talk over everyone and be defensive about everything. She was pretty rude. So they muted her and she was butt hurt about that. But Joy said she could talk as long as she was respectful. Which the sister could have made her point had she done that. But instead she rolled her eyes and got off.
Greg then goes and of course tweets about being the victim. (Guess he didn’t make Joy cry like he wanted.) Then makes a video where he openly lies about what happened. He tweets that Sara is being attacked on Youtube Live. Sara literally tweets that’s not whats going on. He then makes Lainey out to be the victim even though Lainey chose to talk to Joy and only cried because they talked about Billie. And then he gets in a fight with Drew (Billie’s new boyfriend) and keeps talking shit about Billie who hasn’t said anything about Greg or Lainey in some time. Maybe she made one comment on a video Drew made. But on the internet she really hasn’t said much about the situation. While Greg has. Then I guess he made a video talking shit about Alex and Johnny. (Because they went on Andy’s podcast that Greg is so desperate to get on.)
So that takes our list to like 9 or 10 people Greg tried to start shit with in the last like two or three days. I had to comment on this because my mind is honestly blown at how ridiculous this guy is. And how people still seem to follow him and think he truly is a victim of bullying when this shit all started because he said he wanted to make Joy cry and to humiliate her. This is the exact same way Donald Trump handles shit!!
Oh he also told Joy it was Lainey’s dad that he would be using to sue her. He hates his father-in-law and “cut him out of his life” at some point this month so that was funny. He openly lied right there. And he promised he would sue Joy if they debated. And even though he left the debate if he does not sue her he will be caught in yet another lie. “Most honest Youtuber” my ass.
Today a 31 year old man posted a video telling his teenage ex girlfriend that he was justified in wanting her to disfigure herself because she didn’t conform to his expectations of her.
He vilified her; attempted to isolate her from her family; posted her most private information online; belittled her intelligence; attacked her family and shamed her for refusing to adhere to his kink. He claimed that the video was to show future partners what kind of vile liar she really was. This man was misogynistic in the extreme.
Clearly this poor girl has escaped something horrible but her ordeal is far from over. Onision has a huge fan base from a very long online career and these rabid masses will probably make her life a living hell for a while. Although it is telling that he made comments on the video “approved only.”
This was incredibly hard to watch. It breaks my heart that Lainey is literally crying from the things he’s saying to her, and he continues to not only say things that he can clearly see is making her cry, but is doing it in a joking, ~charming~ tone of voice on purpose so that he can later say, “Hey, it was just a JOKE! Stop being so sensitive! Lighten up, get a sense of humor.” Constantly hurting your partner and then telling them that it was just a joke is a classic sign of abuse. She’s so used to his bullying that she laughs it off and blames herself for crying even though she clearly told him that she was hurting his feelings and he kept going anyway that she doesn’t even bother to stand up for herself. She knows that he’s just going to invalidate her feelings and then leave her feeling guilty and blaming herself for “not being able to take a joke”.
I think the worst part of this whole thing is that he then published this video of himself making his wife cry to further humiliate her, with (I’m sure) Lainey telling him that she didn’t want him to (or not bothering to say anything at all, because he’s going to do it anyway and she doesn’t want to start a fight).
And with his fanbase crumbling and YouTube paying him much less than he used to, I’m sure that Lainey is bearing the brunt of his anger, rage, bullying, and need for control.
Edit: So, I just added this video to my queue to be published later today, but I wanted to add this because I thought it was relevant.
I’m not very good at reading body language, but I was picking up seriously abusive vibes from this video. I decided to bring it downstairs and have my dad watch it - he was in prison for about ten years, and then a social worker for another ten after he got out, so he’s very good at reading people, especially their non-verbal cues - body language, tone of voice, facial expressions, mannerisms, that sort of thing.
I went downstairs and had him watch the video, to get his opinion. I didn’t tell him what I wanted him to say: I just told him, “I want you to watch this video and then tell me what impression you get from it.” That’s all. I pressed play. About halfway through the video, he paused it, turned to me and said, “Why do you want me to watch this?” I said, “I just want to know what impression you get from them, about their relationship.” And he said:
“This man is a total narcissist and he broke her so much that she can’t fight back. He is destroying her.”
I am not exaggerating at all. Those were his exact words. This man does not know anything about Onision. He has never watched his videos before, nor even heard of him. He made a 100% correct interpretation of their relationship based on watching the first five minutes of this video.
If this doesn’t convince you that Onision is an abusive narcissist, then nothing will.
Edit #2: I just had one of my friends watch this video too, to see what impression he would get as well - I was just curious at this point to see what anybody thought about this video. And, surprise surprise, he said the exact same thing that my dad did. This is what he said, word for word:
"I feel that girl is not very happy in the relationship. She seems like she’s stuck and doesn’t know how to get out, and he’s completely happy and fine. He is literally oblivious to her needs and what she likes.“
That’s two complete strangers who have never heard Onision’s name before who watched this video and immediately came away with the impression - with no prompting or leading questions by me - that their relationship is not healthy.
You made a video about all the reasons you hate me
No I didn't
I didn't watch it
Then how do you know what I said?
I never said you said that
I have more views, therefore I'm right
Yes but have you considered--
I have more views
We should take turns lol, we keep interrupting each other
*AGGRESSIVELY CHANGES SUBJECT*
*flips his hair*
*gazes at himself in the webcam*
*flexes his muscles*
*makes distracting hand gestures while Jaclyn is talking*
*accepts a call from his wife in the middle of the debate*
SEE? RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE, I JUST SAW IT. I CAN TELL ON YOUR FACE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CONFIDENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S WRITTEN ALL OVER YOUR FACE JACLYN YOU NEED TO LEARN TO CONTROL YOUR BODY LANGUAGE A BIT BETTER
*moves the goalposts*
*brings up an unrelated fact*
*makes a faulty comparison*
*purposely misinterprets opinion*
*changes the subject*
Okay this is getting dumb, all we're doing is going in circles.
On March 16th, 2017, Onision uploaded a video titled “
My Ex Is Targeting My Spouse?”(here is a mirror in case you don’t want to give him views). In this video, Onision explains that a girl named Veronika, a previous friend of his ex-fiance Shiloh, had written him an email trying to warn Onision and Lainey of Shiloh possibly contacting them. The entire basis of the email is written in speculation; Veronika makes various bizarre claims that Shiloh is still in love with Onision, refuses to get a tattoo of his name removed, and that Shiloh may potentially be targeting Lainey to get to Onision once again after five years of separation.
The video description is as follows:
My spouse was warned via email by my ex girlfriend’s ex close friend that my ex girlfriend may be targeting my spouse. In the past this ex has befriended people I’ve been romantically involved with & tried to get them to refuse to associate with me. In a previous video I discussed my spouse being informed that one of my ex’s was actually convince to stay away from me only to wind up dating me herself, basically making room for her to step in using lies to convince people close to me that I’m something I’m not… it’s intense, especially considering this person is five years in my past.
This video comes as a surprise to everyone well versed enough in the events that followed Onision and Shiloh’s breakup. Since they had separated, Shiloh deleted all her social media that had been tied to Onision, started fresh with all new online alias’ and privatized all her accounts. Shiloh completely stepped out of the limelight in response to the massive amount of negativity and harassment she was receiving from Onision’s followers. The last thing Shiloh wants to do is associate with this previous abuser of her’s.
Here is the only response Shiloh has made in regards to the drama Veronika and Onision had attempted to jump-start.
After that a week had gone by and nothing really ever came of Veronika’s accusations. On March 24th, another friend of Shiloh’s took to twitter to tell Onision that all the claims made in the email by Veronika were false. Everyone could see that there was no evidence to support Veronika’s claims and that the email was sent with malicious intent to smear Shiloh’s name once more, using Onision as a way to spread this misinformation to his massive audience.
Something interesting that came up was Veronika claiming that she had never sent the email in the first place. Veronika is now vehemently denying any involvement whatsoever, despite the substantial amount of evidence pointing otherwise.
Veronika in fact shifts the blame to an anti-Onision blog as being the source of the email, despite showing zero proof. She even goes so far to say that she lacks the ability to even WRITE AN EMAIL so it couldn’t have possibly been her doing. It’s extremely suspicious to use an excuse as poor as that, but to also try and frame some random ~anti-o~ blog as the source. In my personal experience, the anti blogs on tumblr are very respectful towards Greg’s exes’ privacy, most won’t even use their real names when referring to them (using nicknames or initials instead).
Now let’s look at some of the evidence against Veronika.
Veronika had a twitter account under the name @veron_liddle, which has since been deleted. Numerous tweets were screenshot showing her intense hatred of Shiloh, and the content of these tweets match up extremely well to the information that was sent in the email. Veronika also used this twitter account to post hate towards Onision, and support to Social Repose, Jaclyn Glenn, Ayalla, Billie, and even Joy Sparkle BS.
Not only did Veronika obsessively subtweet hate towards Shiloh for months, she also made a video about Shiloh and attempted to use lolcow to spread it. Everyone quickly noticed Veronika’s ulterior motive and ignored her. The video has since been deleted as it seems Veronika did not get the reaction she was expecting.
An anonymous user even points out the possibility of Veronika using Onision to bring down Shiloh once again.
Veronika even has a tumblr account where she admits that she is anti-Shiloh and will use her blog to post hate against her.
And now what I consider the most damning evidence of all– Veronika’s friend admits that Veronika wrote the email in various tweets to Onision, begging him to censor her name so she won’t receive backlash.
So Veronika, even if you claim zero involvement with the malicious email sent to Onision, it’s extremely clear that you are the one responsible. Veronika has a clear motive and has tried to create a personal army against Shiloh. She has gone to twitter, tumblr, youtube, lolcow, and even Onision himself with hopes of bringing Shiloh down. When each attempt proved fruitless, she tried to delete the evidence as shown with her twitter account and youtube video.
So what I can gather from all of this is: Veronika is a petty and hateful person set on destroying a previous friend of her’s, and will even try to use a KNOWN ABUSER to get her revenge.
Also Onision is too lazy to fact check anything he hears, reveling in speculation to start drama at any cost. Onision doesn’t care about the truth, he only cares about bringing down his exes of over five years ago.
Wow, what an asshole. Acting like people who question Lain for changing their story and gender-identity several times are the biggest assholes on earth, but he himself is allowed to make such rude and transphobic comments towards Blaire. Disgusting double standards.
So much love, very wow.
Seriously what a prick. If my husband talked to me like that I’d really start to wonder why I was married to him. Yes, if I was married I’d expect my husband to help point out any problems I had with my diet but there is a much nicer way to go about that instead of, you know, putting someone on blast over social media