Kathryn-Kennish

'Switched at Birth' Creator on Series Finale "Controversy," Scrapped Ending

Lizzy Weiss talks to THR about the all those surprise twists, that last scene and a potential revival.

Switched at Birth ended its five-season run on Tuesday with an eventful 90-minute farewell.

The final episode of the Peabody-winning family drama ended things by looking back at how the series started. The series contained several flashbacks to when the Kennish and Vasquez families – well, almost everyone – found out that Bay (Vanessa Marano) and Daphne (Katie Leclerc) had been switched at birth. At first, it was because Katherine (Lea Thompson) was feeling nostalgic about Regina (Constance Marie) deciding to move out of the guest house. Then, it was because Katherine learned John (D.W. Moffett) had known about the switch before she did – a fight that escalated and de-escalated quickly.

Meanwhile, Daphne stood up to a discriminatory sports surgeon who said she couldn’t be a surgeon and be deaf. (And she reunited with Mingo). And despite Travis (Ryan Lane) moving to Japan to pursue a career in baseball, he and Bay decided to continue their relationship long-distance – permanently squashing any chance of her getting back together with Emmett (Sean Berdy).

Regina also figured out her romantic future. In exchange for making Will turn himself in, she offered to raise his son and wait until he got out of prison so they could start their life together in Kansas City. And finally, Toby (Lucas Grabeel) decided to ditch his unfulfilling DJ gigs to some sort of job helping those with disabilities.

After an extended break between seasons four and five – during which time ABC Family became Freeform – and a shortened final season, the final episode was largely one of resolutions rather than cliffhangers.

The Hollywood Reporter spoke with Lizzy Weiss about those finale twists and turns, the scrapped ending viewers didn’t see and the possibility of a revival down the road.

The Hollywood Reporter | You mentioned there was a tag you shot at the end of season four that could have served as a series finale. Can you talk a little bit about what it was and why you decided not to use it?

Lizzy Weiss | It would have felt like a double ending. I feel like the emotion of the ending with the big wide aerial shot pulling back on the family and that song… the emotions sort of carried you and then once we tried putting the tag on it, it stopped the emotions. And plus, it was a flashback to the hospital with the girls as newborns and we cast 22-year-old actresses to play young Katherine and young Regina, and it felt like a disappointment to not end on the people that the fans have spent five years with. I hope the network does release it for the fans just in a tweet or a YouTube link because it was cool but it was something that we didn’t end up using.

THR | Another big revelation was that John found out about the switch before Katherine. Had that always been apart of the story for you? How did this twist come about?

LW | To be totally honest, no. When I pitched the show, I was very clear that I planned out that Regina knew and all of the reasons why, and when she found out when Daphne was three, and that she kept it secret so that was kind of baked into the first season. In preparing for the series finale, we watched the pilot again, and we zoned in on that scene in the geneticist’s office where Bay and Katherine looked crushed and stunned and as if their worlds have just fallen apart. It was honestly just a choice that D.W. made for John to be the stoic father, but we just zoomed in and thought, ‘Gosh, it almost looks like he’s not surprised.’ So just in the fun of the room, we spun off that: We can’t mess with the mythology of Regina. We can’t undo the whole show in one last episode, but what if hew knew a week before or two weeks before?  

The real intention of the John-Katherine story no matter what story we told, I knew that the end result would be we are re-validating them as the heart and the center of the show in terms of the family, the strength, that is the Kennish home. So we needed to shake them a little and then remind everyone they will keep getting through whatever is thrown at them. it just seemed fun to have.

THR | Another big moment in the finale was Daphne having to deal with the blatant discrimination of Dr. Bannon and her subsequent decision to stand up to him. Why in the final episode did you want to give her this obstacle for her?

LW | We definitely had had a couple run-ins with the face of authority who had questioned her. I felt like we really need to raise the stakes if we’re going to bring this up again. We’re going to have to do it with someone who’s a lot more blunt about it, and she hasn’t encountered that kind of resistance that much. These kind of doctors are out there, and this kind of arrogance. I always like to raise good questions and these are fair, realistic questions: How exactly would you be a surgeon? How would it work? Though he does it in a very gruff, ignorant way, he’s asking questions that she’s got to answer. Well, with technology, well, with an interpreter, well, with a little bit of help – and we researched, there are all of these tools. That’s part of the message of this show, is that sometimes you do have to make accommodations, you may have to slow down, you may have to use your phone to text, you may have to learn a few signs, you may have to do things a little differently and that’s OK in this world. We don’t have to make the mainstream world the only way to communicate or live or have jobs. I just liked raising that one last time in a really big, potent, loud way.

I have a friend of a friend who was a doctor and got into a bike accident and became paraplegic and he’s still a doctor. You figure it out, it doesn’t mean it’s easy. That’s always been the message of the show: The world needs to bend a little bit and get with the program but not everyone’s the same and that’s OK.

THR | That also kind of relates to Toby’s decision to change careers at the end. How did you decide on that ending for him?

LW | That was always the plan and we were going to take it a little slower if we had had more episodes. We were going to kind of move him along but I think it worked really nicely to have it be an epiphany in that moment. I just loved the idea of this kid changing his life so profoundly not just as a father, but as a person.

THR | One of the biggest surprises in the finale was that Bay and Emmett ended up not getting back together. How did you come to that decision?

LW | Bay and Emmett had true love, but it was first love and they went through a lot together as you do when you’re young. Maybe it’s just timing, maybe things would be different if she had met Emmett at 21 instead of Travis, but they couldn’t shake all of the things that they’d been through. And secondly, the intention of the second-to-last episode, where Bay pushes Travis to tell his mother the truth about what happened was purely intended to really show that this couple is the real thing. They can weather these kinds of storms as adults, that’s an adult relationship right there. Emmett was this lovely, romantic, who would do these big romantic things for her but Travis and she are going through hard stuff and getting through it.

The intention of the montage was really to honor Bay and Emmett for everyone, for me, not just for the fans. I love Bay and Emmett, they were a huge part of the series and it was a nod to anyone who’s ever had a very intense first love that they thought they would end up with forever but they don’t. When you see that person, it’s incredibly powerful, and this is someone who helped define who you are as a human being for the rest of your life but you go your separate ways. I teared up working on that montage; to me it really takes you back to all of those moments with Bay and Emmett. I’m quite sure that there are diehard 'Bemmett’ fans who will never forgive me and will always feel like it was a mistake but this is how Bay and Emmett and Travis evolved over the course of all the things that happened.

THR | Can you pinpoint a specific moment in the show where you shifted from having bay end up with Emmett to believing she should end up with Travis?

LW | Just following the truth of the characters and the baggage and just some realities of doing the show with Emmett being in LA and we had to throw Emmett into a bit of a tailspin and it would have been hard to get them back together. I do think there is a jerking around of the fans and the triangle that at some point has to stop. As a fan of my own shows, I don’t like that either. You have to know when to let go of the triangle and to make a choice. I think fans get tired of that.

Someone else asked me if you had gotten 10 more episodes, do you think you would have gotten Bay and Emmett back together, and I don’t think so. This felt right for where the characters ended up. The truth of the story is the past five seasons ended with Bay not being able to go back, she wanted to go forward. Which isn’t to say that Emmett isn’t a huge part of who she is. That will be a controversy I’m sure, but there’s also a lot of diehard Bay and Travis fans. You’re never going to win with everyone and we were quite aware of that.

THR | Regina also makes a big move when she moves out of the guest house and gets back together with Eric, even though he has to go to prison first. Why was this the right way to end her story?

LW | I was so pleased with that twist. Luca was lovely but they weren’t really soul mates and Eric always felt like her second soul mate after Angelo. He came with this backstory, we couldn’t un-bake that from who Eric was and why he appeared in her life the way he did so we had to send him off last season but everyone really wanted Eric to come back in some way and then we really felt like, 'Oh God, we backed them into a corner.’ He has this past, he’s committed this felony, he has to leave the country, I can’t believe Regina would leave her two daughters and go to another country. That didn’t feel right even though that was on the table. Then when we came up with this moment of this flashback where her mom says sometimes you have to do the hard thing to get to the right place. … It felt like a great parallel and a great metaphor to have her come up on her own with this solution. Tell Eric, “Do what you got to do, face the music and I will wait for you.” And then of course the beauty of her becoming a mom again, to a boy for the first time, just felt so sweet and it felt like we were spinning her off into a new family.

THR | In the end, Daphne calls Katherine and John mom and dad, respectively. Why did you want to include that?

LW | That was in my back pocket. That’s one of the few things that I always wanted to save for the series finale. I just felt like it would be a really big moment and I didn’t want to slide it in casually. It’s a big deal for Katherine. Katherine’s a very traditional mom, her identity was a full-time mom for many years before she went back to work and I feel like she’s always been secretly waiting for this moment and wanting it but never asking for it because she thought it would hurt Regina’s feelings. It was just so powerful for her to hear it. I don’t think Bay will ever call Regina mom. Their relationship always felt a little more aunt-niece, big sister-little sister; they just had a more complicated relationship. Regina’s a little less traditional. … I just like the distinction between the girls that way.

THR | You had been tweeting a little while ago about wanting to possibly write characters from Switched at Birth into your next show but you weren’t sure about the legality of it. What is the possibility that we’ll see Daphne or Bay or someone else from the SAB universe in the future?

LW | What I learned was it’s a little more complicated. You can’t really do that. Of course I can use the actors again and I fully intend to, but I thought it would be fun to have Daphne or Travis or Emmett pop up as a cousin to this other character I created and link the shows, but I don’t think that’s legal.

THR | Well, would you be open to revisiting these characters in some sort of revival down the line? Revivals had become such a big trend in recent years.

LW | If in ten years, it is a trend and the network or some network or all of us are interested, of course. We even joke about it now. It would be fun to revisit who everyone’s going to be in 10 years, Bay and Daphne as 35-year-olds or even 30-year-olds is just fun to think about.

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Switched at Birth: Kathryn Kennish [ESFJ]

UNOFFICIAL TYPING by mylifeisfandom

Extroverted Feeling (Fe): Kathryn is very aware of and very concerned with how other people view her. She was so worried about what people would think after she found out that her biological daughter was switched at birth with another baby, that she initially tried to just not tell anyone. And the rumors that people came up with (e.g., Daphne is John’s love child) bothered her a lot because she cares what people think of her. She’s extremely social and constantly throwing parties and other social events for her friends. She’s compassionate and empathetic, and she loves to help others. She’s highly understanding, and was even the first person to forgive Regina for not telling anyone about the switch because she could empathize with Regina’s position and understand why she made that decision. She loves to take care of other people, and not just her immediate family. She’s always the peacekeeper whenever there’s a fight. She’s very sensitive and easy to hurt. She can struggle to stand up for herself and can sometimes let other people walk all over her. Kathryn has a hard time understanding her own emotions or even remembering to consider them.

Introverted Sensing (Si): Kathryn doesn’t begin to develop her Ne until the latter seasons, and when she does it comes as a big surprise to her husband, because for years she had appeared to be content with being a housewife and doing the same sort of work from day-to-day. And indeed she was initially content with this. Even once she does develop her Ne, her Si cautiousness remains stronger than her Ne urge for creativity. It takes a lot of convincing herself that everything is going to be all right before she can finally take the leap. Even then, she explores her creativity within her comfort zone, such as writing a new book because she had previously written a successful book. She also “writes what she knows”. Both books she writes are directly based on her personal experiences, as both are literally biographies of the life stories of herself and the people she knows. This also applies for her musical.

Extroverted Intuition (Ne): Kathryn really starts to develop her Ne in the latter seasons. Realizing that she’s been doing mostly the same thing for years and that she’s bored with it, she begins to try to explore new things; such as writing an erotic novel, trying to produce a musical, and even coming close to having an affair. She sometimes intuitively senses things about people in a vague way, like when she could tell that Regina was hiding something but she didn’t know what.

Introverted Thinking (Ti): This is Kathryn’s weakest function. She’s much more interested in assessing and seeing to the needs of the group rather than her own logic. She can sometimes make illogical decisions. However, she’s able to access the function when everything around her makes so little sense that she has to say something, like in the alternate universe episode, when she finally confronted John about how he shouldn’t have taken both children away from Regina. However, it takes her years and years before she finally becomes confrontational.