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I think this moment in the scene is overlooked because it’s rather subtle.

When they walk up to the GP Surgery, Simon is well behind Kieren, letting him lead their way (as will become typical).

Upon entering, Simon is looking at Kieren (first pic) for cues.

When Dr. Russo calls Kieren’s name, Simon’s attention switches to Dr. Russo and his expression hardens (second pic). Whatever Kieren thinks of this situation, Simon distrusts medical personnel (and with good reason, considering his horrific experiences with them, ESPECIALLY the ones involved with the care of PDS patients).

Simon’s reaction to Dr. Russo approaching Kieren is to move from behind Kieren to in front of Kieren, and stop moving (third pic, though it’s easier to see when they are in motion).

He doesn’t place his body between Kieren and Russo, he’s not blocking anyone from interacting or stopping Kieren from doing anything he wants to do… but he HAS placed himself in such a manner that Russo has to keep his distance from Kieren or else be weirdly in Simon’s personal space. Simon has also placed himself into a position to defend Kieren in an instant if needed, and his gaze is placed off to the side of Russo in such a way that suggests Russo doesn’t need to worry about him because he isn’t even paying attention to Russo. In fact, the rest of his body language suggests his mind’s attention is 100% on Russo.

I love, lovelovelove, this facet of Simon. He trusts Kieren to take care of himself, doesn’t restrict him from doing anything he wants to do, but Simon places himself in a position to step in if he’s needed. 

I’ve been thinking a lot about why the fandom is so much more vocal about Gary hate than they are about, say, Bill Macy, who is imo the most despicable character in the series. 

Apart from the obvious “this fandom doesn’t care enough about Rick Macy” angle, I think it’s because Gary is the less frightening of the two. 

Think about it, what does Gary actually get done? Pretty much nothing. His attack on Amy in S1 is horrible but Amy picks herself up and carries on because she knows she’s better than him; his foul language in the pub backfires spectacularly when he ends up being choked by Simon; as close a call as the Blue Oblivion incident is, Kieren overcomes it. 

At the end of the day, our heroes are stronger than Gary. 

Bill, on the other hand, Bill is destructive. He might not achieve his ultimate goal of goading Kieren into a second suicide, but that doesn’t make the murder of his own son any less horrific. 

Kieren is the only survivor, but he certainly hasn’t won. 

So with Gary, unlike with Bill, we feel safe making joke posts about how much we hate him. We can bring it up all the time because we don’t have to think about the consequences of his actions because really… there aren’t many. But we can’t do the same with Bill because when we think about why we hate him we also have to think about what he did, and no-one really wants to think about that. 

anonymous asked:

"A part of me wishes I liked Rick more" OMG you're the only one I know who actually feels that way, too! And I can't actually explain *why* I feel that way; his situation is horrible and *very* realistic, his story was superbly well done and I can perfectly understand his motivations but I'm still kind of uncomfortable with him?

Well, I know you and I aren’t alone, because I’ve had this conversation several times in private. I wasn’t entirely honest when I said I had no idea why I felt that way about him, because I do know, and it’s because he’s violent, and he treated Kieren badly.

When he finds out Kieren is dead, his first gut reaction is to shoot the hell out of that target. When he talks to Kieren about why Kieren is undead, he flies into this short, violent rage where he beats on the dashboard of the car- and judging by the way Kieren assumes the slightly-hunched “just wait until it’s over” posture when that occurs, this isn’t the first time Rick’s reacted like that to something. I hate that. I just hate it, right down to the very core of my being, I hate that reaction and I’m 100% glad Kieren is nowhere near it anymore, especially as it was coming from someone he loved and should have been able to trust to be peaceful around him. I hate thinking about how things might have gone if Rick had lived; I hate thinking that this sort of unreasonable rage might have ever, ever been turned on Kieren someday, but I do think that, and I am incredibly over protective of Kieren Walker.

At the pub, when Gary makes jokes directed at Kieren that are meant to be degrading, Rick just fucking laughs along with them. He doesn’t stand up for Kieren even though he could have. One “cut it out, Gary.” would have been enough to shoot Gary, who is still uncertain about where he is supposed to stand with Bill and Rick right now, down and keep him from teasing Kieren. But no. Rick laughs, and there’s no surprise on Kieren’s face when he does so, which tells me that’s typical.

And I’m sorry, I don’t care how bad of a situation he was in with his father, leaving without telling Kieren he was going, when he had to have known for weeks, is unacceptable to me. He flat-out made a decision about what Kieren could and could not handle, what Kieren did or did not feel, without ever asking. That was both selfish and wrong of him to do. Yeah, that conversation sucks, having to tell someone bad news sucks, I get it, but you fucking do it if you care about them. You don’t abandon them without a word and you definitely don’t do it “for their own good,” which is basically what Rick’s shitty excuse amounted to.

And I get it, I do- I get that he came from a bad situation (a terrible situation, one I would never wish upon anyone), was raised in a bad situation. I get that his father was shitty (unimaginably shitty, and I hate Bill the most out of everyone on the show), and he was scared of his father and conflicted about what to do, and raised to believe things that were shitty, and I feel bad for that, I do.

But there’s a difference between having an understandable past and trying to excuse your current shitty behavior. Yes, I understand his past and feel bad that those things happened to him. No, I do not think it excuses some of his behavior.

just in case in the flesh s3 doesn’t get picked up, which it probably will be so no worries what do you mean denial??? you’re in denial!, i’ve decided to make a list of things that is 100% likely to happen in it (trust me, it’s science):

  • lisa comes back and she and jem become girlfriends
  • amy is 100 % okay and comes back and goes on to live a long and happy life surrounded by people who love her
  • everything with the undead prophet/the ula works itself out and kieren and simon move to paris! 
  • kieren paints a lot of portraits of simon + wears his ridiculous jumpers 
  • simon plays the guitar and sings softly to kieren when he can’t sleep
  • gary falls into a ditch or something
Predicition: Connie Furness is the first risen

Reasons why I believe it:

  • Sandra was not willing to share the night of the rising. Something happened. Something important. 
  • Connie is the most prominent tertiary character, always visible on the periphery but never with clear focus. Nonetheless, the audience knows her, without actually knowing much about her.
  • No backstory is given. No one is even asking her. 
  • Connie lives in the same house as Maxime. Maybe Connie is aware of her intentions, so she is hiding very cleverly in plain sight.
  • She seems to be the oldest zombie in Roarten. Might be a reason. 
  • Connie is absent from both the ULA and Maxime. 

Finally, it would be a great surprise for the audience, as everyone is expecting Kieren which I still believe is a red herring. 

I like to suppose that when the undead rehumanize, they are healed of the injuries that would kill them (like Amy’s leukemia, or Simon’s spine wound, or Kieren’s forearm wounds).

I also like to suppose that the bullet Simon took for Kieren didn’t come out the other side (considering it didn’t hit Kieren, so it must still be in him) and that Simon will have to get it removed when he rehumanizes.

I like to suppose that the only scar Simon has left is the thin, stitched line left behind by doctors in the city after they took out that bullet, and that it reminds him that there are things in the world worth dying for and they aren’t the things that got him the first go ‘round.

Additionally, I like to imagine that Simon keeps that bullet somewhere safe, and takes it out and turns it over in his hands, and sometimes Kieren comes and sits next to him and he knows what the bullet is and what it means to Simon (and what it means to him), but he just leans against Simon’s arm and doesn’t say a word.

And I like to believe that, someday, Simon takes the bullet down to a jeweler and gets it crafted into a ring that he uses to propose to Kieren.

Because really, what’s better than the thing that almost took Kieren from Simon being the thing that symbolizes Kieren will stay with him?

anonymous asked:

I wanted to ask the super general question of what you like about Simon and Kieren's relationship. Is there something specific you enjoy about it or is it the whole thing or did it evolve (or something idk I'm bad at asking questions but I'd really like to know /0\)?

Okay I was going to answer this dayyyys ago when Greenberg did, but then I realized this is basically going to be a novel because you are, surprisingly, the very first person to ask me this so you’re going to get the full novel. So grab some tea, have a seat, and get comfortable.

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Zombie Mythology in Modern Television:
The Walking Dead vs. In The Flesh

Secular vs Religious

In The Walking Dead, several characters are religious, but ultimately the narration focuses on the secular causes and consequences of turning. The infectious nature of the disease takes a central role, and whether or not it was caused by God is of lesser concern than what will happen next. On the other hand, major characters of In the Flesh ascribe to a religious explanation, and the second rising mentioned in the Book of Revelations remains at the forefront of plot development.

Destroyed vs Marred

The sudden turning of a large percent of the population takes a heavy and disastrous toll on the entire world of The Walking Dead. In this universe, the apocalypse is bloody and swift. People in this world have to focus on day-to-day survival, and the the impact on personality and character is sometimes just as deadly. The world of In the Flesh, rather, manages to control the effects of The Rising. Although the world is not the same as it was, it has survived in a marred condition, to which people must learn to adjust. The changes in this world are uncomfortable, but for a large part most people have found safety again.

Opposition vs Variation

The symbolism of zombies or undead in The Walking Dead often shows opposition between two extremes: human vs monster, too far gone vs still here, powerful vs weak. What little sympathy is present for walkers is eventually abandoned (by Hershel) or represented as psychotic (Lizzie). The undead of In the Flesh, however, represent the variation in power dynamics of a society. The undead could easily be substituted by particular race, sexuality, nationality, disability, or other marginalized group. These groups have both their allies and enemies, safe spaces and areas of danger. Sympathy for Partially Deceased Syndrome sufferers is not uncommon and is a cause of controversy between characters.

Disease vs The Rising

The origin of the undead in The Walking Dead is attributed to an infectious disease that spread through a population, turning people into highly aggressive, animated yet dead corpses, motivated only by hunger. As of yet, we still don’t know exactly how, when, or where it started. The undead of In the Flesh find their origin in The Rising, in which the dead arose from their graves in a rabid state, seeking to satisfy a hunger for flesh. These undead have more complex cognitive abilities, as demonstrated by their haunting memories of the acts they committed in that state.

Infinite Population vs Fixed Population

In The Walking Dead, the population of zombies is theoretically infinite. Because all humans are infected, they turn undead after their natural death. As long as people die without others having the foresight to destroy their brain, more zombies will be created. On the other hand, there is only a certain number of undead in In the Flesh. Only those who escaped from their graves and survived the attacks by government forces and the HVF remain undead in this world. The state of being undead is not contagious, and therefore current PDS patients cannot create new undead. As of yet, there has been no Second Rising, and the population of undead remains limited to its original number.

I’m not saying you aren’t a clever little shit, Dom, but you named the main character of a zombie show Kieren Walker. Kieren-fucking-Walker. Don’t think I didn’t notice what you did there. I know Kieren means dark.

You named your zombie MC dark walker.

You named your zombie MC “zombie” in namespeak.

Gary Kendal is a dickhead (and I feel sorry for him)

I hate Gary. He’s cruel and bigoted and generally a dickhead. He represents every awful thing about white patriarchy but damn it, sometimes I can’t help but feel sorry for him.

I grew up with lads like Gary who believed that if they just got through school they’d fall into a job. But that’s not what happened. The industries the North relied on are gone and skilled labour isn’t needed any more. Young men are taught that employment (and the ability to support a family that it brings) is the measure of their masculinity. When they can’t find employment working-class men (and women) are portrayed by the media as lazy failures, as if economic depression and the dismantling of the North from Thatcher onwards was somehow their fault. It’s toxic.

 When you’re poor, frustrated and feeling persecuted it’s very easy for the government (with the help of the media) to turn you against other marginalised groups. It’s a distraction tactic. If you’re busy blaming your under/unemployment on ‘the Polish’, the government don’t have to get off their arses and do anything about banning zero hour contracts, instituting a working wage that is a living wage, or creating real economic growth.

 The thing is, even though Gary is a white male, he is an outsider in British society because he’s not the right kind of white male. He is Northern and working-class which perhaps doesn’t sound like a big deal, but if you’re British, it really is. The UK has a history of class division and people are so attuned to observing minute class differences it’s unreal. I know I categorise new people I meet by things as small as what shop they buy their food from, their accent and what word they call their grandmother. I’m not proud of it, but at this point it’s such an ingrained behaviour I can’t stop it.

 The Walkers are coded as being middle-class or at least aspiring to be so. Their house is spacious compared to the Macy’s (which looks like ex-council house stock to me, maybe the Macys bought it as part of the right-to-buy scheme?). They have a blu-ray player and a vestibule on their house, and Steve Walker works as a supervisor for the railways. To me, it seems as if Gary hates Kieren for his class difference, his artistic talent and the perceived lack of traditional working-class masculinity those things point to, as well as his identity as a “rotter”. Even if Kieren wasn’t queer he would still be regarded suspiciously because of those things. When Gary asks Kieren whether he went to the “girls’ grammar”, he’s both making fun of his lack of masculinity/queerness and his middle class aspirations to better himself. His artistic ability is something that will take him further, something to be jealous of - Gary crumpling Kieren’s drawing of Simon is an expression of that jealousy.

(Side note: Jem seems to be excused from the class distrust that Kieren evokes because she proved her worth by joining the HVF.)

 In the world of ‘In the Flesh’ the government’s Give Back scheme seems to be a way of providing free labour for business owners. Maxine promises Sandra Furness to send someone round from the Give Back team to help out at the B&B as a bribe, showing it is easily corruptible, and not really for the benefit for the community as it was advertised. Instead, it’s just taking paid work away from the community. For the PDS sufferers it seems like a kind of public punishment to atone for things they did whilst rabid, and for daring to need support from the government for their medication.

 The fact that Kieren is a PDS sufferer who is in paid employment at the Legion, when Gary doesn’t seem to have any steady employment at all, is salt in the wound for a ‘hero’ who saved his community and now can’t even get a free pint. Gary is reduced to hunting rabids alone for for 80 quid a throw, something most wouldn’t dare do no matter how tight their funds were. When Kieren points out the rabid Gary has brought in is wounded Gary’s rage seems almost justifiable if you think that half of Gary’s wage has just been lost because Kieren grassed him up (the working-class do not grass people up, it’s an unwritten rule).

 Basically Gary is adrift with no employment. He’s not back in education like Jem who has a chance, PTSD aside, to move forward and to grow up. Unlike everyone around him Gary is stationary and unable to evolve. I sometimes wonder whether he did what Jem couldn’t and killed a relative, and clinging on to his belief that all rotters are evil is a way of pushing away guilt.

Just sharing some thoughts about Kieren maybe you guys figured out.

We never really knew Kieren in his previous life before he died but the show does a brilliant job making us understand.

One of the things is that we learned was when Kieren reached the Legion, he stated no one liked him because he wasn’t ‘like them' so does this mean they knew he was gay or atleast just 'different’ (yes, I know the writer said kieren is bi or pan but I don’t think Kieren is aware or anyone else have any acknowledgement, but meh, i hate labels anyways). It makes me sad to think that Gary and Bill, probably others would pick on Kieren. Although we haven’t seen him interact with a lot of towns people, he probably felt like he just didn’t fit in anywhere and didn’t really have any friends except Rick. 

Another thing is that I realize Gary’s hatred? towards Kieren which didn’t started with him being a 'rotter’. Gary making fun of Kieren associating him with 'girly’ makes me think he is aware of Kieren’s sexuality, probably that he likes Rick but either way we can all agree, Gary is a bigoted asshole.

Just like we the viewers I shown that Bill (another asshole) probably knew, which was why he hated Kieren and banned him from the house to hang with Rick.

anonymous asked:

what do you think are the biggest flaws in the kieran/simon relationship if any

“If any” haaaaa ohmygod where do I even start on the flaws?? How do you define biggest? Let’s go with favorite instead~

My favorite Simon “flaw” (really it’s the things about the relationship which are, in my view, unhealthy) for their relationship spawns from when Simon says “Tell me what you want… I’ll do anything I can to give it to you.” This, on a surface level, seems really sweet aww ohmygosh he loves Kieren so much he’s trying to make him happyyyy- NO.

No, that’s not what this is about. It might have been about that, if the scene were not followed by an example of what it IS about, and that is that Simon was 100% dead serious (lolll i hate myself) when he said he would do anything- including sacrificing his own happiness. And that’s not hypothetical, it’s not theoretical… Literally in the next scene Kieren asks Simon to apply cover-up and put in contacts, something which is against Simon’s beliefs, something which clearly makes him very uncomfortable, something he does not want to do, and Simon does it because that’s what Kieren wants. That’s so unhealthy and we need to be shown that Simon is as functional as Kieren is when it comes to making decisions about and for Kieren.

Now, granted, we see Kieren apologize for his choice by cleaning off Simon’s face first later that night, which is fantastic, but just because Kieren realized he did something wrong doesn’t mean he realizes how to change, and it doesn’t mean Simon’s mindset has changed. Kieren may have realized it was wrong to ask Simon to wear cover-up because it is wrong to hide who they are, because it made Simon uncomfortable, because Simon was right to not want to hide himself… but Kieren may not realize it was wrong to ask Simon to compromise his own happiness, and he may not realize the extent to which he holds power over Simon in this respect.

Another major flaw in their relationship, on Kieren’s side, is the way Kieren treats Simon’s (for lack of a better word) religion. We, as viewers, are aware that the ULA is a cult, and that there are bad things happening, that it has bad intentions. Kieren has gauged some of this himself (the ULA is giving out blue oblivion, which has gotten people hurt and/or killed, for starters), but we have to remember he doesn’t know the full extent.

I view the ULA kind of like how I view PETA. It’s an extremist group and they do some really shitty things, but the people who don’t know all the shitty things that they do may follow them for good-intention reasons. PETA, for all the wrong ways it goes about things and bad things it does, is supposed to stand for animal rights in the same way that the ULA, for all the wrong ways it goes about things and bad things it does, is supposed to stand for PDS sufferer rights.

The people who believe in the ULA, like Simon, believe in the message of fighting for PDS sufferer rights. They want to work for better conditions for PDS sufferers. They want freedom for PDS sufferers, want them all to be treated as equals. That’s not wrong, that message is not wrong. What’s wrong is blindly supporting the organization in charge of the fight, without asking if they are doing questionable things, without investigating for yourself what methods are being used.

Kieren, however, outright rejects all of it (which is fine, that is his prerogative) in a pretty rude way (which is not so cool). As much as I love Kieren’s ability to not put up with “cult bullshit,” the way he scoffs at, dismisses, and looks down upon Simon’s beliefs (which, may I remind you, are not ill-intentioned, Simon’s beliefs are that the PDS deserve to be treated better than they are, that they do not deserve to be persecuted or hurt for being what they are) doesn’t really sit well with me.

I want respect in this relationship. On the one hand we have Simon who is currently blinded to Kieren’s flaws and thus incapable of actual respect (which stems from more than just liking someone, liking someone and respecting them are two different things) and on the other hand you have Kieren who only respects Simon when Simon is doing what Kieren wants. Even at the wake, when Kieren stays quiet to let Simon decide whether to stay or go, we have no proof Kieren would have been accepting and respectful of Simon’s decision if he’d chosen to leave instead.

Outside of those two major flaws, there are problems the two of them are going to have.

For one, Simon has yet to tell Kieren about what he was doing in the graveyard (which I 100% think he will do, there just hasn’t been an appropriate chance yet). That’s going to be a HUGE issue, and I really need Kieren to ask Simon “what if you’d thought it was Amy?” because that answer is going to be SUPER IMPORTANT. Like, the wrong answer to that question could end them.

We also have the fact that Simon has an addictive personality; he seeks out something and loses himself to it. In his first life, it was drugs. In this second life, it was the ULA. When he severed those ties, he was set adrift and I have concerns that the next addiction he will suffer is Kieren. As excellent and awesome as it was that he was willing to give up the ULA and take that bullet for Kieren, I need to see that he hasn’t given himself up to Kieren instead now, that Simon can be Simon apart from Kieren.

I talked a little about this before, but Simon is in an uncomfortable situation in regards to his entire fucking life right now. He has chosen to stay in Roarton (to be with/protect Kieren), but he doesn’t actually have anywhere else to go. He can’t go to his family. He can’t go to the ULA or their communes. He doesn’t have a place of his own (it’s possible Amy left the bungalow to him, of course, but that doesn’t give him anywhere “else” to go still). He’s severed his only friendly ties in order to save Kieren’s life… which is something Kieren does not know yet. I think it will be important to see Kieren retain his ability to make sound decisions in light of that information.

I personally think all of the above are surmountable problems/flaws, and I think that they would get addressed in future seasons if we’re granted that much more, and I would THOROUGHLY enjoy watching them work through all this.

I’m sure I missed things, but it’s been a very long day, so hopefully this is a good starting point for you :)

The First Risen: Flashbacks and Inconsistencies

Ok, let’s talk about the mess that is Kieren’s description of his rising vs. the 1x02 flashback. Because it doesn’t make sense.

SPOILERS below, proceed at your own risk. 

According to the transcript of Kieren’s speech, it was raining when he rose, and he was alone. 

Kieren: […] you’re pushing through, and then all this stuff at once - the moon, and this incredible storm blowing. And the clock chiming midnight and you’re just standing there. Nobody else around and all of it pushing into me.

This is nothing like the 1x02 flashback. The flashback clearly shows Kieren was not alone when he rose from the grave:

We see people walking behind him as he emerges (unless these were not zombies for some reason, but again, he’s not alone). We also see a general chaos at the graveyard. People emerging from their graves, walking around. Definitely not “other graves were fine”:

Not to mention there’s no rain nor storm he described in 2x04.

And then we have:

That’s Amy! She seems to be emerging from her grave at this point (?) So it seems she’s not the First Risen either; she’s definitely not alone when she rose (unless it was a camera trick or something, but it would mean she rose and just… stood there watching others rising before she tried to walk out of the grave). 

So, ugh, how to interpret all of this? There is a clear difference/inconsistency between the flashback and Kieren’s speech. The flashback clearly shows he’s not the First Risen (same goes for Amy and it shatters my hopes of her being the First Risen). 

There are several explanations for this, the most obvious ones being:

  • Kieren is an unreliable narrator and doesn’t remember the events correctly. (But in this case, which version should we trust? The 1x02? The 2x04? None?)
  • It’s a retcon.
  • There is a very clever explanation for this and we’ll learn about it later.

Not sure which one seems to be the most likely option. I don’t hide the fact that I wouldn’t want Kieren to be the First Risen, so I might be nitpicking here, but the differences between two versions of the Rising bug me to no end.

Oh, and I leave you with another tidbit from the transcript:

Kieren: […] And you’re just standing there. Nobody else around and all of it pushing into me. 
Simon: No one else? Are you sure?
Kieren: No. But you know what I felt?

No. Not sure. 

isn’t it interesting how Simon came to his parents’ house in the night of the rising?

like, Simon probably haven’t lived with his mum and dad for years, he was a junkie so we can assume that he was kicked from the house and/or they didn’t want to see him. and as far as i understand, zombies’ actions are not motivated by logical thinking. they’re driven by their instinct. what if Simon had this hidden urge to finally come home, reunite with his parents? what if this house was the only where he felt at least a little bit less miserable? what if this urge was so strong that it pushed him to go there when he was dead, when there was no boundaries or rules for him

it’s like he was only waiting to finally come home. i am nOT CRYING YOU ARE CRYING

No, but, really. Where are the PDS sufferers with a missing limb? Or a broken bone that will never heal? Where are all the PDS sufferers who damaged their hands on the way out of their coffin? Where are the PDS sufferers who need to use a wheelchair because someone came at them with a chainsaw during the rising? Do they get given prosthetics like the living do? Do they need physical therapy like the living do? Rick is the only physically disabled PDS sufferer we’ve seen so far. I’d love to see how those who were injured by the living during the rising are feeling. I’d bet it’d be harder for them to come to terms with who they are now, how different they look to how they were alive, the fact that their injuries won’t ever heal reminding them even more that they’re undead. People should write a million fics of OCs in this universe, because it’s fascinating.