So i’m getting into this long debate with this guy in my comment section and i figured i’d post my last response because fuck, it’s long. Hahha. I type to much
To give you a backstory, when I asked him to give me an example of female privilege that had nothing to do with misogyny or a woman’s position in the context of a man, he said that women have the ability to lie and get away with it. He went on to say that if a woman ‘didn’t love you anymore” she could make up lies about you.
sorta kills me how dudes always seem to bring up their previous relationships in conversations about social justice.
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" There are always multiple ways to achieve the same goal. In the conversation about women, their experiences and struggles in life, you have no say. You cannot and should not describe to me what my life is like, i’m perfectly aware, i’ve been there the entire time.
Saying “men like you” is not a lie. Ironic how you posted the definition of a lie and didn’t see how it didn’t line up. If you made the assumption that I was a bad person, that isn’t a lie=that’s an assumption that didn’t turn out to be accurate.
You haven’t even really answered my question about lies. If the only example of female privilege you can provide me is that women can lie, then you don’t have much as lies are not gendered-this should be obvious.
Anti-feminists don’t believe in feminism and they have numerous reasons for this, not all of them consistent.
MRAs can be anti-feminist, but not all of them are. MRAs can support feminism and believe that feminism is in pursuit of men’s rights. However, they can also believe that feminism is the antithesis of their position and the cause of all of their problems.
At the end of the day, you need to recognize your place in this conversation. To be completely blunt you don’t have one. I have explained this to you several times, but there are always women who will see misogyny as a benefit to them. that doesn’t mean that it’s a structure we should maintain or defend. Men benefit the most from misogyny, which is why they are so defensive in conversations about it. They fear a loss of privilege. If you speak to anti feminists, if you speak to MRAs, you will find that there’s generally this notion of a loss. They fear, for example, “the extinction of men”. Which isn’t literal, but rather the extinction of the things they believe make them men-most of which relate to or are informed by misogyny. They react negatively in conversations about sexual harassment and often will try to describe a situation in which they have it worse off than women ever will. This ignores the fact that devaluing women places them into these situations. It ignores the fact that men are often the victims of violent crime because men often have access to violence and violence is seen as a way to prove that they are truly men Of course there are dangers to being a man of course men are judged a certain way and held to certain expectations and of course that isnt’ fair and is very oppressive, but we should examine that they are generally held to these expectations because they do not want to be associated with women.
You opened this conversation up with
"Even though you don’t like their calls you understand they are not oppressing you, just doing their jobs. One of the main problems today is that people don’t understand men, or just find it easier just to attack them for playing the role that most women including feminist like. "
The thing that stuck out to me is “for playing a role that most women, including feminists like”. This idea that women, full stop, like something or prefer something is dangerous-especially in the context of street harassment. You cannot enter into a conversation with the insinuation that most women enjoy this type of attention and expect for me to not instantly categorize you with men who are oppressive towards women. See, the bottom line here and the general issue I have is that you prioritize your voice over the voices of women. I’m sitting here, as a woman, saying that at the end of the day there s not benefit really to me being a woman and you’re thinking that I’m holding that position for some great power of being able to say “oh wow I have it worse than you” as opposed to me simply speaking about what I’ve actually dealt with in life. Because you are a man you view this conversation as one that I willfully participate in. A conversation that I have because it benefits me. Like most people who benefit from axises of oppression, you have to tell yourself that this is a conversation and a position that I occupy so that I can get the great benefit of being a “victim”. So that I can sit around and complain all day about how hard things are for me and see pity. So from the start, you invalidate my position. You roll your eyes at the things I say and you don’t see them as a reflection of real life. Being considered lesser than, being taken as weaker, less capable and more fragile is not a privilege.Male privilege is about having easier access to resources and the things that you want to pursue in life. Men don’t usually have to, as you’re suggesting, play into their emotions or fain weakness in order to see benefit to being male. They simply exist and navigate the world with the intrinsic understanding that they are capable. No need to put on a show outside of performing masculinity to disprove femininity.”