kwixt  asked:

How important would you say the succession of daughters with marriage? Would there be a huge advantage to marrying an older daughter than a younger or would the advantage be slight? Or are the ties to the family a lot more important than birth order?

Well… it varies. The most important thing to remember is that in Westeros (excluding Dorne) succession customs follow male-preference cognatic primogeniture, where a man’s sons inherit (in birth order), and then his daughters (in birth order). So if a girl has a lot of healthy brothers, and it’s peacetime, it doesn’t matter if she’s the oldest daughter or the youngest daughter, she’s not likely to inherit anything. Also I’m not sure what you mean by family ties (a girl who doesn’t want to leave home, maybe? not that it matters) but that really has no effect on inheritance.

Oh, maybe an older daughter would be more likely to have a larger dowry – which if the family is very wealthy and/or has lots of land, could include a holdfast for her husband to manage. (See this post.) But then, this could also vary, as a man might try to get a better match for his eldest daughter, some husband who already has a lot of wealth and lands (or is in line to inherit them), and by the youngest one he might be offering a greater dowry of money just to make up for the fact that she has no real chance at inheriting any land… or perhaps a dowry of land in hopes of attracting a wealthy but landless merchant, say. But dowries can also vary depending on a girl’s prettiness, or if the girl has some disadvantage that could affect her marriage options – for example, when Walder Frey offered Roose Bolton a dowry of the bride’s weight in silver, he chose not the prettiest available Frey maiden, “Fair” Walda, but instead the heaviest, “Fat” Walda. (Note neither Walda had any chance of inheriting anything, they’re so low in the succession. And if you’re interested in House Frey’s succession and how it relates to daughters and granddaughters, see these posts - 1,2,3.)

Now, it’s different in a case where there are no sons, or in Dorne where succession is absolute (birth order only, males and females included). There, a man looking for an advantage would definitely prefer the oldest daughter, who would be her father’s (or mother’s) heiress. (So if Brienne’s younger sisters had not died, Brienne would still be someone’s first choice to marry if they wanted to help administrate all the wealth and lands of Tarth, and for their children to inherit it.) Or a cunning man might look at a time of war or plague as a chance that a girl’s brothers might die, in which case the oldest daughter is still the best option (for example, Tywin, in marrying Tyrion to Sansa). Or, take the example of a real rogue – Bronn, who married Lady Tanda Stokeworth’s younger daughter, Lollys (who was triply disadvantaged by being mentally disabled, heavily overweight, and pregnant from rape), noting as he did so that Lady Tanda was elderly and the older daughter Falyse had no children… and then Lady Tanda died, Bronn killed Falyse’s husband, Falyse herself was killed via Cersei’s inept machinations, and now Bronn is calling himself Lord Stokeworth.

But in an ordinary situation, there really is no greater advantage to marrying an older daughter or a younger one. For example House Tully c. 280 AC, with Catelyn, Lysa, and Edmure – there’s no real difference when choosing between Catelyn or Lysa. Neither is inheriting Riverrun, they’re both considered very pretty, both had planned betrothals to the eldest son of a Great House, and their father would likely give them the same amount in dowries. Oh, Catelyn’s children would have a slightly greater chance at inheriting Riverrun than Lysa’s would – but normally, Edmure would have a lot of kids and it really wouldn’t matter either way. The only notable difference is personality (and Jaime, when introduced to Lysa, noted that Catelyn was less giggly and more interesting, but she was already betrothed and he wasn’t being given a choice); however, I don’t think that’s the kind of “advantage” you’re talking about.

Anyway, hope that helps!

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Catelyn - A Clash of Kings

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