Carrie Bishop

“Sometimes I feel like it needs to be pointed out that the reason Gia and Cobb were able to frame Logan for Carrie’s Murder wasn’t because he was a “bad boy,” it was because they knew that despite Carrie cheating on him, despite their break up and despite the fact that Carrie had yelled at him earlier that very day, if Carrie asked Logan for help he would do the right thing.”

Carrie Bishop’s bravery

That’s the thing for me in this episode.  Carrie knew.  She’d seen what had happened to Veronica.  And Yolanda.  And Caitlin.  Shoot, she’d participated.

She knew what happened when you took the wrong side. 

And she still not only shredded her own reputation to punish the man who hurt her best friend, but she lied to protect that friend, telling her that ‘people had been supportive’.

Destroying Mr. Rooks was not really going to help Susan, although it would help future victims.  But Carrie was like Veronica in that 'someone has to pay’ - and not caring what bridges she burned to accomplish it.  The little head nod of respect between the two at the end was a beautiful moment.

Carrie wasn’t a Meg or a Carmen.  A Meryl or a Mandy.  She wasn’t the sweet contrast to Veronica’s more ruthless approach.  She WAS just as hard as Veronica yet with the same core where she would do anything for her friends.  Or for justice.

No wonder Logan fell for her.

And no wonder Susan’s death destroyed her.

“Mature!Logan is all things I hoped for from the movie.  He was still snarky and witty and had a hero complex, but he was also disciplined and able to channel it properly most of the time. I loved that he was the stable one who was trying to help Carrie. And his utter acceptance of Veronica returning to her life, never asking her to stay was perfect. You could still feel his energy and electricity, but he was able to control it and unleash it knowingly. It was sexy as hell.”

Though rosy lips and cheeks within his bending sickle's compass come

Don’t let this town drag you down like it does everyone else.

Sure, Keith was talking about himself here, but it wouldn’t be out of place to bring up three girls who stayed in Neptune - each of them brought down before she turned thirty.  Susan Knight, Carrie Bishop, Gia Goodman.  Individually, each of them were broken long before they were killed.

Once again, Carrie’s story was really about Susan, but once again, Susan herself barely featured.  It was about things that had happened to her, not anything she herself had done.  It’s difficult to know much about a character with so little screen time, but to me, Susan Knight is what Veronica would have been if she’d never found her inner strength.  And I’m not just talking about the long blonde hair.

Susan was clearly the follower to Carrie’s leader.  She was naive enough to fall for Mr. Rooks, and passive enough to hope the whole thing would go away even as her pregnancy progressed. (Incidentally, a rook is stronger than a bishop or a knight, but the two combined control a larger portion of the board and should be able to force a checkmate.  Random awesomeness.)

When things went bad she could hold together for someone else - she stood to the school board and Mr. Rooks to help Carrie - but she didn’t have the courage to stand up for herself.  How often had Susan ‘bottomed out’ before she overdosed?  How often had she ended the night crying?  Passed out?  And how often was that something her friends rolled their eyes at?  Carrie was the only person in Susan’s corner, but it wasn’t enough when Susan couldn’t be on her own side.

A side note, the name Susan means Lily - which is a nice bit of accidental symmetry, since her death was the key to the whole piece.

Carrie’s death hurt.  She was always my favorite 09er, and I may or may not have wanted to go around Southern California scrawling “Carrie Bishop lives” on every available surface post movie.  I know she was named for the Rooks-Bishop-Knight chess match of it all, but Carrie’s moniker always seemed incredibly apropo, which made her decision to change her name after Susan’s death all the more striking.  A bishop moves in straight lines but always on a diagonal - and I’m not sure I could come up with a better way to describe Carrie’s lying truth in pursuit of the greater good.

That she went from Bishop to DeVille?  Not to go all Ruby Jetson levels of conspiracy theory, but yes, unless Carrie suddenly had a hankering for dogskin coats, that was deliberate, and spoke to the self-loathing Logan mentioned.  (As did the decision to hook up with Sean.  Because… ew.)

Veronica thought Carrie was a liar and a gossip, but in fact, the story she told about Duncan was a) probably true and b) apparently never common knowledge since Logan had never heard it when he was recounting a similar fit to Veronica. Telling her best friend is not the same thing as telling the school.  Not to mention that she never told anyone that she saw Duncan and Veronica together the night of Shelly’s party.  (Shelly Pomroy - the one 09er girl to make it through unscathed?  And she only needed to be played by four different actresses to do it.)

If Susan was Veronica pre-Lilly, then Carrie was closer to Veronica post-Lilly, and the nod of respect the two give each other at the end of Mars vs. Mars spoke to that, even though they would never be friends.
Carrie was a fighter, but she too lost everything.  She went in with her eyes open, sacrificed herself because she thought it was the right thing to do, but she’d seen her friends turn on people before.  Veronica, Yolanda, Caitlin.  Did any guys ever suffer from 09er 'justice’?  Yes, they took down Mr. Rooks.  But she was still the girl who destroyed the popular teacher which would not have done her any favors socially.  The fact that he genuinely was a sleazebag would not have gentled her classmates reactions.  

And then she lost Susan.  The girl she threw it all away for, and she was too scared or high to make the call that might have saved her life.
How much must she have hated herself?  And her friends?  And Neptune in general. And that’s not even taking into account the blackmail.

However much he tried - and he would have tried - Logan couldn’t have begun to hold the pieces together.

How fantastic was Krysten Ritter in the movie?  Gia never quite sat right for me in season 2.  The nonstop chatter was more reminiscent of Gilmore Girls (where Ritter went next) than Neptune, and it was difficult to tell whether her vapidity was merely supposed to be funny or whether there was more going on.  Given that her younger brother was right in Woody Goodman’s target age range, and that pedophiles frequently go after family members, I’m guessing that yes, there was more going on, but it took us a while to get there.

The name Goodman, will, for me, forever be associated with the Nathanial Hawthorne short story, Young Goodman Brown.  I’m sure the name was originally chosen for Woody’s sake, not Gia’s, but considering that the story deals with loss of faith - in society, in ones loved ones, and in oneself- thanks to one night, and the temptations of that night, it suited Gia all too well.

When Veronica says she has pictures, the artifice Gia has been projecting for most of her life disappears, and she deflates, but there’s a sense of relief there, too.  That whatever is coming, it will finally be over.

Her father was already dead - and under circumstances both horrific and shaming, shaming in ways that would have torn apart her family for years to come.  No wonder she sought out the 'good’ drugs.  

And then YEARS of blackmail and rape.  Years of having to put on a sunny smile for her rapist.  Of binding herself on the one hand to a guy who could never love her romantically, and on the other to one who only wanted to control her, whose idea of love was manipulation and abuse.  Years of being worn away until little remained but a shell.  

 This was one of the better 'this is how it went down’ reveals.  I rather wish Beaver Casablancas’s story had come out a bit more like this.  Gia finally came into her own in this.  You saw shades of the old Gia, but it was a mask, covering the darker reality.  Sad that she finally fit in Neptune once Neptune had broken her.

As much as I relish Veronica’s return to herself, as much as Neptune needs her, you can’t help but see Keith’s point.  Neptune burns people alive.  How’s he to understand that Veronica’s a pheonix?
Waste of Breath (22072 words) by BryroseA [AO3]

Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Veronica Mars #TV#, Veronica Mars #Movie 2014#, Veronica Mars - All Media Types
Rating: Mature
Warnings: Author Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Logan Echolls/Veronica Mars, Logan Echolls/Carrie Bishop
Characters: Logan Echolls, Veronica Mars, Dick Casablancas, Carrie Bishop
Additional Tags: canon, Missing Scene, Navy

Logan Echolls, the nine years, and the Navy.

Bookmarker’s Notes:

Gorgeous piece of work, gorgeous.

I am just so curious about Logan/Carrie. I want to know everything about their relationship.

How long were they together? How did Dick feel about it (bff opinions are always interesting)?

How did they reconnect after high school? Did she go to Hearst? Did Logan even continue at Hearst??

How did Carrie break into the music biz? How did she choose the name Bonnie DeVille? How did deal with Ruby? Did she know that Ruby was Della?


any headcanons out there?