Caroline Forbes meta


“Give Caroline the life she was meant to have… an immortal life, without you.”

All right, so let me process this whole phrase. The words which catch my eye are “Meant” and “without you”, because bruh, yes, we all know that Caroline Forbes was destined for much more bigger things than Stefan Salvatore, and things that Stefan Salvatore himself could offer her.

When I heard Cade saying that to Stefan, I instinctively had a throwback Thursday to January 2012, when I watched the scene where Klaus visits dying Caroline and offers her the world out there that is waiting for her.

“And I could let you die, if that’s what you want. If you really believe your existence has no meaning. I thought about it myself, once or twice over the centuries, truth will be told. But I’ll let you in on a little secret. There is a whole world out there, waiting for you. Great cities and art and music, genuine beauty. And you can have all of it. You can have a thousand more birthdays. All you have to do is ask.”

 Ok, now back to Cade’s words : “Give Caroline the life she was meant to have… an immortal life, without you.” – so this basically means that Klaus Mikaelson, knew that Caroline Elizabeth Forbes wasn’t supposed to die, because she was meant to have that immortal life.

He also knew it when he told her that he hoped that she’d turn up at his door in a year, or maybe even in a century.

He also knew it when he left that message for her, “maybe one day you’ll let me.”

He also knew it when he promised her the eternal love back on her graduation day. His words were absolutely intentional and he had analyzed his words in a way that no one had.

He also knew it when he promised to leave and never come back because he also knew, that an immortal life that she was destined with, with the plans that fate had for her, she would be his - at last.

Klaus Mikaelson predicted her having an immortal life, and he knew that she was not supposed to die neither in his hands, nor in someone else’s.

 Klaus Mikaelson knew that Caroline was meant to have a thousand more birthdays.

Klaus Mikaelson knew that Caroline was meant to see great cities, and art and music and genuine beauty.

Klaus Mikaelson knew that Caroline was meant to eventually fall for the person who is only capable of doing terrible things, meaning himself.

For me these two scenes ( Cade’s phrase and Klaroline’s interaction in 3x11) parallel each-other on so many levels, that it’s hard to believe that Klaus and Caroline are that golden.

Caroline Forbes was destined to have this immortal life not with Matt, Tyler, Stefan  but Klaus.

With Klaus Mikaelson.

that’s how you OTP. 

anonymous asked:

Can you say why Caroline is good for Klaus?

Absolutely! It’s a shame that most of the benefit that Caroline had for Klaus’ development has either been retconned or written out, but her impact on him was definitely pretty positive and curious nonetheless. Klaus and Caroline are in so many ways different sides of the same coin, and when it comes to Caroline’s positive impact on Klaus I find that to be pretty significant. What I also find really interesting is how Caroline managed to positively impact Klaus, especially considering that even with his own TV show this magical “redemption” that is apparently so paramount to Klaus’ story seems to alternately be either totally elusive or entirely driven by the mere existence of a baby (which, while completely irrelevant to my argument here, is something that absolutely cannot drive this story in any kind of logical or believable way). 

But anyway, Caroline’s impact on Klaus was pretty major. I don’t think I’m overstating things when I say that it was earth-shattering for Klaus, and what I find incredibly interesting about that is how similar it is to Klaus’ impact on her. What’s curious about Klaus and Caroline is that they very strongly define themselves as people by the way that the people around them perceive them, their own senses of self are almost completely driven by the feedback that they get from others, but despite this similarity their interpretation and reaction to that it diametrically opposed to each other. For Caroline that self-perception is a source of insecurity and aspiration, it completely erodes her confidence in herself and her own perceptive abilities but she looks at it as something that she constantly needs to strive to overcome. With Klaus it’s the complete opposite. It does have a negative impact on his self image sometimes, but for the most part he uses it as armor, he likes being seen as the biggest baddest baddie and he uses that reputation and expectation as his excuse to do literally whatever he wants. His reaction to the world’s view of him is that either it’s hopeless to try to change because no one will give him the chance or that it’s a necessity that benefits his own survival, whereas Caroline hinges everything about herself on the hope that she can become the person the world wants her to be instead of continuing to fulfill their negative expectations. 

So it’s incredibly interesting to see that interplay, because while Klaus tends to define things in very hard and unchangeable ways, Caroline looks at Klaus and basically just gives him the opportunity that she wishes everyone else would give her. Instead of presuming his every intention and assuming that he will always fulfill her expectations she looks at him in terms of actions, she recognizes and calls out what he does and usually she explains her interpretation of that, but she hardly ever makes generalizations about it or about Klaus because of it. She never says that he has to be good or has to be evil, and she never treats any of his singular actions as some kind of deciding factor to that. Basically she just gives Klaus a chance. But what’s so brilliant about it and so necessary for Klaus is that while she doesn’t make his every decision define him she does hold him accountable for the choices he makes. Everyone else dismisses his behavior simply because he’s Klaus or begs him to make another choice in order to be “good”, but instead of allowing Klaus the out of attributing his behavior to some inherent goodness or evil in him she makes sure he realizes that it’s all on him. And that goes for every excuse he could possibly use, his parents, his siblings, his life experiences, regardless of what it is Caroline never lets him use that as a means of disregarding his culpability for his own actions. What’s really staggering about this though is that, at least as far as canon is concerned, Caroline is literally the first and last person in Klaus’ entire life to ever give him the chance to be himself, to choose whatever he wants to be with no expectation attached to it. 

Honestly, I feel like there is a lot more that Caroline has done and can do for Klaus, but in terms of making any kind of character progress I think that this is absolutely the most important thing that could have ever happened for Klaus, and it’s incredibly sad that it’s been erased from his narrative because it could have been an absolutely brilliant story line for his character and his show. I’ve always been dubious about his “redemption” story line to say the least, and this is really the biggest reason why. Because Klaus doesn’t need redemption. The idea that he even could be redeemed at this point is absurd, but redemption shouldn’t be the point anyway. What’s much more interesting to deal with in terms of Klaus’ character is how he would deal with himself and his choices if the jury was still out. For his entire life his fate in terms of good and evil has been treated like it’s a done deal, either he’s completely irredeemable or he has to use his baby and magical uterus baby mama as a portal for his redemption. Treating Klaus in that way on the one hand gives him an out on everything all the time, and on the other hand is just an incredibly dull form of story telling. I mean there’s no mystery there, there’s no opportunity for real development and change because it requires nothing from Klaus. It either is or it isn’t, and Klaus is just the passenger on a set voyage to damnation or salvation. Caroline was the first and last person to force him to hold himself accountable for his choices, and that is an interesting story to be told. It’s just a shame that the writers aren’t interested in telling it. 

anonymous asked:

Hi! i'm not really sure how to state my question but could you please write a meta about Caroline, Elena, Hayley and Camille turning into a vampire and dealing/teaching with that? like the attitude to special snowflakes and to our baby Caroline?

Disclaimer: This post is anti-Hayley, anti-Camille, anti-Elena and anti-TO/TVD, read at your own discretion!

Originally posted by shameless-stella

Right, I get it, so a general meta on why TVD and TO sucks ass with their female characters and why Caroline is the best? You phrased it fine by the way.

Also this was written late, late into the night and most likely contains grammatical errors I missed in my read through. Sorry. Please enjoy my 6000+ word vomit. I love all of you.

Obviously we all know that the writers and producers have no idea what feminism is or what it means, so I think it’s important to state that I can barely recall main female characters on the show that actively chose to become a vampire. Some are: Katherine, Lily Salvatore, Aurora de Martel, Valerie Tulle.

Even the ones that did turn out of their own free will, did not do it because they wanted to be vampires, but out of a need for survival, trauma, or a man. The only exceptions I can think of are Nadia and Gia.

You know what they all have in common, no matter how obscure or small their roles were? They were all treated as antagonists. Even if they were sympathetic antagonists. (Gia who wasn’t at all one, was treated in an antagonistic way, as she was a plot device in the relationship between Hayley/Elijah, which is why existed in the first place)

I can’t actually recall a female character other than Nadia and Gia, that turned for themselves (from a clear and sound mind), not because a man motivated them in some way. (Maybe my mind’s just blanking. If anyone remembers some, message me and I’ll update this).

The important thing this shows, is that female’s that were forced to turn, are often pitied, and those who turned themselves, are treated as villains. This is because in this show woman are inherently valued for their vulnerability and their humanity, and what they can do to redeem or care for the male character. 

Even in the later seasons Caroline’s vampirism and her love of vampirism was an insignificant part of her character as she was mostly focused on living a human motherly life with Alaric . If a female vampire reveled, enjoyed or was overly dark in her vampirism she is often treated as an antagonist, although it’s these exact traits which make male characters like Klaus, or Damon desirable to their specific fandom.

An example of a vampire like this is Rebekah. Too be clear, I’m not talking about the characters likability from the fandom, just the treatment and the light in which the show wanted to portray them.

The showrunners might have done this subconsciously but it does imply that women are inherently weaker to deal with vampirism, and even if they choose it, they are often evil, because no good, functioning healthy female would ever choose a path, of death, immortality and infertility. It implies that females are happier as humans and have more to gain from human lives than they do from vampire ones. It also shows that would rarely choose this out of their own free will, because it’s what they want.

Originally posted by kalifornias-style

Even female vampires, like Katherine, Lily, Hayley and Valerie, were at some point mothers/pregnant, which fuels their storylines considerably, and people like Caroline even in vampirism, were given the ability to have a child. Other than Klaus, a male vampire characters storyline wasn’t fueled by children or parenthood, showing that they deliberately placed high importance on the aspect of parenthood in females, showing once again that women are inherently there to nurture.

Characters like Elena and Rebekah have repeatedly spoken of the fact that they want children and a family. Characters such as Isobel, who didn’t want children, and who gave Elena up for adoption, are also treated as antagonists.

Ironically Katherine, Aurora, Nadia, Gia etc. are some of my favorite females vamps on the show. Specifically because no one pitied them. Maybe because they were villains, but mostly because they owned who and what they were, and they didn’t need to be pitied because even though they weren’t human, their lives weren’t over. They didn’t pity themselves either or cry about how unfair life was to them. It’s a fair reaction, initially, but don’t let it define the character development.

So this next part I’ll break into talking about Hayley, Camille, Elena and Caroline’s experiences with Vampirism 

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anonymous asked:

I know you are happy for the Klaroline endgame but don't think that it is sad that Caroline was the only vampire left? She will live for ever or at least get to live for a more extended time than humans do and she will see everyone she loves die. It has already started. Her father, her mother, her husband. She will outline her children too. How is that a good end for her?

How is it not?

Let me start by saying that despite JP’s obsession for turning TVD into a human soap this show was originally based into the vampire mythology. It is meant to deal with vampires and their existence. The pros and the cons and the darkness and the grandeur and the immortality. Ships and endgames aside Caroline Forbes ending up the only vampire in a show that is meant to be based on the vampire genre is an honor and a homage to everything this show once stood for. Every vampire of the show faced the same destiny you describe here. Damon, Stefan, Katherine, the Originals. And yet when their stories began and they were introduced to the audience everyone took in their story expecting to feel their age and get to know their ageless journey throughout the centuries. No one complained about their predicament. Everyone wanted to get more into it. Either their story was tragic, or intriguing, or dark, or hopeful. It was interesting because the very concept of immortality is an unachievable dream that intrigues humans. So many writers get to write for Vampires, Demons, Gods, Immortals, etc. Because their stories are enveloping every hope and aspiration and tragedy and epic emotion a human can have and dream of. The unreachable. The impossible. Even something to sent the human soul straight to damnation. All those elements hide greatness and misery in them. And Caroline Forbes was meant to endure and persevere and become a Vampire. She relished in her nature. She owned it. She accepted it and craved the perks that come with vampirism. She would not turn to a human if she had the chance. She never wanted or expressed that wish. For the simple reason that she likes been strong, ageless, fearless and she prefers who she is not to the girl she used to be.

On the other hand everything you describe in your ask are things that can happen in a human life too. So what happens then? You give up? You curse your life? You find no meaning to it? A person can outline others and can outlive even love and memories and things he or she never thought possible. Calamities and tragedy are part of life either that life is meant to carry on for a few decades or longer or less. It is what we do with our time and how we face the things that happen to us that make life worth it. It is even how we stand in the face of loss and loniliness. How we grieve. How we move on. How we hope. How we persevere and if there was one motto that Caroline Forbes ever had in that show was perseverance.

That does not take away the importance of the things you write in the ask. If anything they give more meaning to Caroline’s existence because facing these losses will make her live every day to the fullest. Will make her wiser. Will make her not lose track of time. Will make life have meaning.

Do you know who else also contemplated the very same thing you ask me here? How eternity would have no meaning? How it would suck? How it would be a source of depression. How it would take away and take away and leave no meaning?

Caroline Forbes did. In her birthday in season 3.

So much so that she did not want to celebrate her birthday and ended up giving a funeral to the human girl she buried behind.

And do you remember who exactly showed her that very same day that while life takes something from you it gives you something else back? That there is meaning to found in forever. Because truth is that loss will come and you contemplate giving up.

“ And I could let you… die. If that`s what you want. If you really believe your existence has no meaning.

I`ve thought about it myself once or twice over the centuries, truth be told.

And let us face it. Who doesn’t think of that in their lives? In our human lives fantasy aside have we never thought of that very same question? Of how to endure with loss? Of how to go on? Of how we can outlast the pain and not break? How to hold on to people that leave us behind or we lose them by death or any other reason? There is always a time even for the most optimistic people where they think that life has no meaning or ask themselves what is the meaning of it all.

So here Caroline’s immortality is a parallel to what we face in real life because art in its own way tries to give answers to such questions.

So what is the meaning of it all? How could Caroline ever move on and why should she want to? Why would that be good for her?

Because with the loss there is also the gain. Because life is not black or white. It has endless colors and twists.

Imagine that. Let it sink in. Life does not end with loss or with pain. This is why we are alive after all. There is whole world is out there still waiting. Genuine beauty. And music. And art. And more birthdays. More chances. More dreams. More potential. More possibilities.

A thousand more birthdays.

Because life does not end with loss and misfortune. You do not get to sacrifice your life in the name of loss or lost love or broken dreams. Life moves on. With endless possibilities ahead. With optimism. You grit your teeth and you move on until you can smile again. Life continues with pain and loss and tragedy and laughter and love and joy. Because every turn gives you something and it is in your hand to take that something and make something out of it. Something for you. And this is why people still dream of immortality and want to live longer and crave stories of ageless creatures. And admire those tragically and gloriously beautiful stories. Because life goes on and is full of wonder. And people can only wish to be able to be bigger than life. With everything that includes.

Time is unrelenting and brings change and with it society and culture and life itself alters and people want to be there to see it. To experience it. To live it. Because people reading history and get fascinated by it and then dream of the future. And Caroline Forbes will be there to live all that. Maybe she will outlive some people and maybe she will carry their memories with her but she won’t outlive everyone. Because she will get to meet more people. She has endless possibilities ahead. To love again. To laugh again. To be an extrovert. To be an introvert. To find more questions and answers. Endless horizons ahead and this is why Klaroline and the idea of a vampire Caroline Forbes was always so alluring to begin with and enchanted so many people. Because it held the promise of eternal. The promise of however long it takes. The promise of genuine beauty. Because it was brilliant and ugly and the truth and the lie and it was about brutal honesty and manipulation and rage and soothing silence and it was challenging and unpredictable. Just life is.

And how important is to actually be able to grasp that? And by that I mean life. To have nothing more to do than ask? Because this is what life is. It is your choice. It is as good as you let it. Because you need to want to live it. You need to want to ask. All you have to do is ask. And then take it step by step. Let me say it again. Life does not end with loss or grief. Emotion is not finite. Relationships come and go. Love can be replenished or be found in so many places even unexpected ones. Hope does not end. Meaning is always in different things all the time if you only open your eyes. Pain does not last forever no matter how cruel and unforgiving it seems at first. You fight back and you live. And all you have to do is ask.

And this is one of the many reasons why I personally like Klaroline so much and why their endgame was so important for me. Because of this very message that you sent me. Because Klaroline began with the very same core of question you put in that ask. Their very first defining scene was about what you ask me here and it answers your question perfectly. And that was why I was so moved by Klaroline chemistry and potential aside. Because of the promise of endurance. Because it was a promise of how Caroline could live and become greater than life and …loss. This is how it all began. And this is how Caroline will move on because this has been her origin story and not the end. It is only the beginning. But that is the beginning of another story.

So you tell me anon? How is that good for Caroline? Or for anyone for that matter? How is it good for anyone to actually live their life? To find meaning in that kind of existence?

Maybe simply by living. And that is a good thing.

I’m re-watching Season 1 of TVD and I’ve gotten to episode 19, the Miss Mystic Falls pageant. And I’m starting to notice just how much, even from the beginning, they kind of failed with Elena’s character. 

  • Scene 1: In the dressing room getting ready for the pageant. So, you have Aunt Jenna fixing Elena’s hair and Elena is obviously not all that enthused about the pageant. She is telling Jenna how her mom made it seem like so much fun and Jenna counters that Elena was very excited herself when they had signed up for it before her parents died. And Elena says that indeed she was, but she would be happier if her mom were there to share it with her. 
  • Scene 2: Early on in the episode we see that Elena had completely forgotten about the pageant, only being reminded when Caroline brings it up. It is made to seem that Elena is going to do the pageant because it was something very important to her and her mother before she died. 
  • Scene 3: Then we have the whole monologue of all the girls competing, pleading their case to the judges of the pageant. Why they should be chosen etc. One girl talks about community service that she did…community service done because she got a DUI…L O L. Not gonna be her, apparently. Another mentions that she has already won Miss Mystic before…she’s probably off the table. And another seems to be a very kind, sweet girl…who isn’t from a Founding Family. She is just there to make it seem as if the competition isn’t a special Founders event. It is. So that leaves Caroline and Elena. Caroline lists off her accomplishments. It is a pretty astounding list. No way are any of these girls going to have gotten involved with and done more for this town than Caroline Forbes. Seriously. Elena sweetly gives a speech mentioning that she hasn’t been as involved lately (obviously due to her parents death) where she again puts emphasis on her mother and the values and legacy she thus instilled upon Elena. 

The point? To empathize with Elena right? Cheer for Elena, she deserves it, she’s our girl! Rah, rah, rah!!!

So, I’m gonna go back to my first point. Jenna and Elena talking about her mother. The whole little scene was intended to make us root for Elena, not necessarily just to win the pageant but as a character all together. The whole time it was like there was a neon sign flashing above her head sympathy, sympathy, sympathy. * Applause, applause, applause* Love her! Pick this one! She’s special!

Then Elena gets up to go put on her dress, and the scene cuts to Caroline. Caroline Forbes, bubbly Caroline, in her bright hot pink robe, her make-up table & hair station over-flowing with products. Shallow, superficial Caroline Forbes. The back-up, she tries so hard but she’s never the one, she’s a kiddie pool. Right….right? No. Fuck you. She was never a kiddie pool. 

A literal maybe 8 second cut-to-scene of her all alone looking in the mirror and Caroline Forbes suddenly has ALL of my sympathy.

Earlier in the day it seemed as if she was hoping that Elena would drop out of the pageant because she wants this sooooo bad but she could never beat golden girl Elena. But Caroline has heard this whole conversation, and this used to mean something to Elena too and she has lost her parents and minutes later when Elena wants to drop out Caroline says no, this was important to you once, this IS important. She pushes her fear of always being second to this girl aside, she crushes it to be a good friend to her.

That little glimpse we get of Caroline’s face in the mirror is meant to show us that she sees it, she understands what Elena is going through. She is not blind to it. Christ, even Caroline who wants to win so badly sympathizes with Elena. And it was meant to show that there is more to her, which, !yay! character growth, that’s fantastic! But that is not why Caroline got my sympathy and love in that instant. It wasn’t the look on her face that showed that even she loved Elena, even though she has been competing with her since they were children. 

Caroline was alone. All alone. Both of her parents are still alive but neither are there for her. On this special day that means so much to her, she sits alone. No mother primping her hair, no father wishing her good luck. And Liz is there at the pageant. In uniform as security perhaps, but she never comes to say you look beautiful or I’m proud of you, after she wins. At this point the only champion of Caroline Forbes is Caroline herself. And goddamn it, rip my still beating heart out why don’t you, because it pumps for this girl. 

And then you realize that even though Elena’s parents are dead, she still has people there for her always. The line of Elena worshipers stretches around the block. You kill her parents but Aunt Jenna is here for her, and the Salvatore’s too. Let’s kill Jenna. Oh, but Alaric will step in. Let’s kill him now. But Jeremy is still here and all of her friends and the Salvatore’s who will do anything for her too. Time for her to lose Jeremy as well. But oh wait, we can’t let that stand because her best friend who will die for her a thousand times can fix it. She is a vampire now. But no, she never wanted that. Let’s all risk Apocalypse Now to fix that for her too. 

You made everyone love her and you killed everyone she loves. To show worthiness, and growth, and strength I suppose. She loses everyone and still goes on. Every one in the show will do anything it takes to keep her safe. So she must be someone worth rooting for. Right? No. Because fuck you. 

It took a 10 second scene for me to fall in love with Caroline Forbes and I will love her forever. But damn did you fail hard with Elena Gilbert. 

I don’t know what this is. A jumbled, sticky mess of my Caroline Forbes feels mostly. As soon as this scene happened, and I got the full impact of it again, I had to pause my shit and get all my feels out. I thought I was going to explode. For the record, I never disliked Elena until probably toward the end of Season 3. ….Until I started this re-watch. Now I’m really starting to see why some people hated her from the jump or like me just never cared much about her or got that special ‘oomph’ from her character.

anonymous asked:

So Katholine should be friends even though Kat killed Caroline and left her alone and confused and ready to be sacrificed for her own master plan, but Hayley simply knocks Caroline out for a little while and their friendship would be horrible? Not hate, I'm just wondering what the difference is...

Okay, you mistake my interest in the Katholine friendship. You also misunderstood why I don’t want a Hayroline friendship.

Katherine and Caroline’s friendship has never seemed black and white to me, both Katherine and Caroline have said that Caroline was better off as a vampire and that in a weird way Katherine helped her.

Noone’s saying the act was right but it was very impersonal on Katherine’s part, Caroline was collateral damage in order to send a message to the Salvatore’s and make a point.

Caroline likes to think she’s very morally centered so she always maintained a casual contempt for Katherine but I don’ think she ever full on hated her. The truth is that she and Katherine are very alike. Caroline is the most pragmatic of all her friends, eerily so. When it comes down to something she deems important (usually protecting one of her friends) Caroline has very little scruples. Which is why they make such h a good team when they eventually do partner up.

Originally posted by darkestbeklena

Originally posted by misskathgifs

As for Katherine, I think it’s Caroline’s pragmatism and the fact that she has moxie

and is survivor like her 

and the fact that she managed to outsmart her

that convinced me that Katherine low key liked and respected Caroline. A lot more than most of her friends.

And I think Caroline low key liked her too but would never admit it.

They both have a mean girl side to them although Caroline’s is less overt, they’d both be very honest with each other (scathingly so) and trade thinly veiled insults if they were friends under different circumstances and it would be glorious.

I mean look they’re the perfect partners in crime.

I don’t think that Katholine should be friends because Katherine is the nicer person or because Katherine was nicer to Caroline than Hayley (although, murdering her aside she actually was, considering Hayley was mostly dismissive to Caroline - “I don’t do teen drama”

 - and snapped her neck 

before betraying her boyfriend) 

I like Katholine because it actually made sense, the two ladies have similar personalities and things in common. 

Hayroline, however, makes no sense because it was clear from the start the Caroline never liked Hayley (because even though the whole Tayley relationship/affair thing was fake Caroline still suspected Hayley had a thing for Tyler - and was right) Plus after Hayley snitched to Klaus and got the hybrids and Tyler’s mom killed there’s no way Caroline didn’t find out about it. I mean Hayley half confessed to Tyler before telling him to run.

Besides if Damon knew about what Hayley did.

Originally posted by phoebejanetonkindaily

Then Caroline defo did.

Now I know what you’re thinking, a) it’s been years Hayley and Caroline both have kids now, bygones whatever and b) if Caroline can be chill with Klaus who actually killed Carol then surely she can forgive Hayley for her part in it. Fair point, sure. But my argument is, Hayley and Caroline never really liked each other in the first place. They don’t really have anything in common except magical pregnancy (and Klaus’s penis).

Originally posted by phoebejanetonkindaily

Genuinely, I mostly object to the Hayroline friendship because I don’t like Hayley. I’ll admit it. I’d be cool with Caroline and Camille being friends over her and Hayley (I may not have liked Camille as a concept, or Kl*mille but I didn’t dislike Camille if that makes any sense).

Besides Hayley really has no actual personality, they (the writers)can make her BFF’s with whoever (Camile, Freya, Davina etc…) at will just because she’s whoever the writers want her to be in that moment and that’s what I object to. I’m not saying their friendship would be horrible I’m saying I wouldn’t personally enjoy it.

(None of these gifs are mine)

anonymous asked:

Whats your take on Bonnie and Elena treating Caroline as a "best friend"? Don't know if you've talked about this before but your so good at making things clear and writing meta :D

Thank you! :D I haven’t written about this topic yet, but I’m happy to dive into it.

BTW- thank you for your patience! I just really wanted to finish that Stelena meta before writing any others. :) 

Trigger Warning: This is not pro-Elena.

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caroline and stefan were both manipulated by damon. both held hostage by unhealthy relationships. they both faced abuse from their fathers. both lost their mothers. both put people that hurt them, that didn’t deserve their love, before themselves.

both were insecure. and both of them felt unloveable. 

yet they both were good people. they were multilayered, and damaged, but they also had so much love to give and deserved so much love to be given back to them. 

finding each other was the best thing that happened to either of them. they understood each other in a way no one else did. believed in one another. saw each other for who they truly were. stefan didn’t consider caroline’s insecurities an annoying quirk, and caroline never saw stefan owing anything to his brother, hated damon’s constant fuck-ups gnawing away at stefan’s soul. they loved each other whole-heartedly, and in one another found the kind of selfless love they both so desperately needed in their lives. 

and then it all went to shit thanks to a handful of half-assed inexperienced writers who didn’t even get the power of the material they had in front of them.  

Friendly Reminder

Caroline Forbes is her best self as a vampire. There is a certain sense of self that Caroline derives from being strong and immortal and to those fans who want to see her suddenly veer towards becoming human…why? Why would you want that for her?

It gives her drive. She can control her urges, which makes her unique among the vampires in the TVD-verse. She works hard at it and takes pride in being herself, in spite of having the temptation to let go and do things that she is, at her core, diametrically opposed to, like killing and creating chaos. That’s an excellent character nuance that helps make her such a relatable protagonist.

It gives her purpose. She enjoys mentoring other vampires and believes that her methods truly work and that she’s living proof that an “evil” or violent nature, as it were, can be managed and overcome with effort and grace and she wants others to see that side of it, too. That’s wonderfully philosophic and poignant.

It empowers her. She literally said in the last episode that she feels powerful as a vampire. That alludes to the sense of self that makes Caroline who she is. She’s a girl who didn’t have much power or agency as a human and now recognizes that in her second life, she’s in the driver’s seat. I think that’s beautiful and frankly, I cannot understand why some fans want her to or think that she would ever give that up. For what, exactly? For Stefan? That’s not romantic, guys. Giving up what empowers you and makes you feel comfortable in your own skin for a man is not nor will it ever be romantic.

Caroline Forbes’ vampirism is at the core of her character development. Taking that chunk of support and nuance away for the sake of giving SC a happy ending is not something that I think the writers are going to be willing to do and honestly, I think that’s absolutely the right call.

Keeping Caroline a vampire is honoring the character and the wonderful journey she took us on for eight years. Point, blank, and the period.

anonymous asked:

I don't know if you've done this before but can you write a meta about 4x13? When klaus stabbed and but caroline? Do you think the scene was necessary?

I actually have meta’d this specific episode before, but I think that it’s so fraught with importance and meaning for Klaus and Caroline as characters as well as for their relationship on the whole. And while I do think that the whole exchange was horrific and was meant to be horrific, I also do think that it was very necessary if Klaus and Caroline were ever going to have a relationship beyond their little cat-and-mouse game that they’d been playing for so long.

What I actually think is so interesting about this episode in terms of Klaus and Caroline’s individual development is that the both of them were driven literally to their absolute limits in the opposite ways. For Caroline I felt like this was a really incredible turning point for her character. What makes it all the more interesting to me is that Caroline spends the next episode doing everything she can to bargain for Tyler’s freedom or at least his safety, but in this episode she clearly and completely establishes that she will never do the same for herself. And that’s not because she doesn’t think she’s worth it, in fact it’s the exact opposite. When Caroline refuses to beg for Klaus’ mercy she is really for the first time in her life demonstrating that there is something that she values about herself more than her own life. 

And in the context of Klaroline that is ENORMOUSLY important, because that solidifies that no matter what Klaus does to her, even if he makes her his victim, she’ll never allow herself to be his prisoner. That moment where Caroline allows Klaus to make the choice really brings the first stage of their relationship full circle. Caroline’s relationship with Klaus really began with him ‘saving’ her, with her realization that she didn’t want to die, but in this moment she realizes that she doesn’t want to die but she will if that means losing something she’s not willing to give up. I’ve often said that Klaus and Caroline’s relationship only works because Klaus holds the physical power while Caroline holds the psychological, and this really reaches it’s apex in this episode. Klaus is a person who completely relies on his ability to manipulate or simply force people into bending to him, that’s the basis of every relationship he’s ever had, and by Caroline making the choice she does she takes that power away from him completely.

For Klaus that is a challenge that he has never faced or ever even expected. Caroline is taken to her absolute most extreme throughout this exchange, but so is Klaus, because really for the first time in his life he’s also faced with a real choice. Klaus always plays every situation to his advantage, and it works every time. In a strange way that almost alleviates his responsibility for it, he can always find someone else to blame for his actions because ultimately it is everyone else who plays into them. It’s completely irrational and unfair, but it also leaves Klaus with a system that he knows will guarantee his desired result. However, having that kind of reliable tactic also leaves him with zero need for self-reflection or development as a person. In his fantasy scenario Caroline would get to the end of the line, beg for his mercy, and he’d give it. That’d be the end. But instead he’s left with nothing more than a challenge because Caroline forces the choice back on him. He doesn’t get to put that weight on her shoulders, and instead he’s left to really decide what he wants to do. Either he wants her to die, or he doesn’t, and whatever he decides is entirely on him. Better than that, Caroline doesn’t expect him to be the diabolical villain, or the bad boy hoping for redemption, or anything other than what he decides to be. That’s a choice that Klaus has literally never been forced to deal with until this point in his life. 

Of course that’s massively meaningful for their relationship as a whole, because Klaus only knows how to deal with his emotions with violence and that option is very abruptly removed from the equation with Caroline. And what makes that even more important is that it’s not an option that’s taken from him, it’s one that he simply realizes he cannot use with her because it’s not going to work, and more importantly he doesn’t want to use it. And in the context of Klaus and Caroline’s other relationships this is really massive. Because with them there is going to be no manipulation, violence, begging, or desperation to get the other to stay, and that’s something that really can’t be said for any of their other relationships, ever. Whatever exists between them is simply what exists between them, and even if it’s not what they want or what they dream of they’ll always know that they’re on equal footing and that it’s real. It also establishes a firm boundary for what can’t happen between them, which is something that Klaus has never had or even accepted with anyone else in his life. So yes, the entire situation is unspeakably horrible, but they’ve both done unspeakably horrible things and frankly both of them wouldn’t hesitate to do anything unspeakably horrible again if they thought it would get them what they wanted. But now they both know that at least when it comes to this, they can’t, which makes it probably the most important experience in their relationship.

Caroline Forbes Meta - Her Journey S1-S6

So this is a Caroline Forbes meta based on the above Anon ask and the fact that throughout Caroline’s 6 season journey there’s been a theme of her fear of abandonment and self worth. The girl we met in 1x01 has come a long way from the girl we know as of 6x22 and I wanted to try and discuss Caroline’s by breaking it down narrative season by season. Each section will be based on a season and I will discuss all of her romantic entanglements. Just to state; I find that a lot of fans complain that Caroline is “always a love interest” but fail to see that the romantic storylines Caroline has been apart are more about her and her self-discovery.  Another huge part of Caroline’s storyline was her relationship with her parents especially in regards to the fact that they both didn’t accept her as a vampire initially (whereas she saw her vampirism as a strength) and while her mother learned to accept it her father never did.

Disclaimer: I’m going to discuss all the relationships Caroline has had throughout the seasons including friendships and family. Fair warning: Steroline is my OTP and I liked Forwood but I’m not a fan of Klaroline, Maroline or Daroline (shudders) but I’m attempting to not be biased. With Klaroline especially it was an important part of Caroline’s narrative so I’m going to be objective about it, basically don’t send me hate because IDEC and I’ll just ignore you.

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It's Time to Abandon Ship: Why I moved on from Stelena & Klaroline and jumped aboard Steroline

I just wanted to put this out there in anticipation of Steroline getting together, and to help drown out all the Steroline hate that’s been thrown around lately. Besides, I know I’m not the only ex-Stelena and ex-Klaroline shipper out there who came to see the light. 

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TVD 6x17 is by far the best episode of season for steroline!

I’d like to write somethings about the recent narrative aka no humanity. Clearly we had some different theories but at the end all were tied to them joining together at some point. Personally I’m one of the people who favor humanity on sex over humanity-off sex. In regards to humanity switch I just imagined after the fight it could turn out to be just hardcore fucking so I didn’t want them to do that but a part of me also wanted them to do the deed hardcore (I even want bloodsharing for vamps sake lol) Do you see my dilemma? But woow it was more than that. I think we need to clear out somethings.

The pilot of this entire episode wasn’t about revenge at all. (okay maybe a little but the most effective driving motivation is not revenge, I might as well say revenge is kind of an excuse)

In 6x16 humanity-on Stefan wanted Caroline back and in 6x17 humanity-off Stefan carried out that mission in his own way, in his own rules. ***I’ll use H-OFF and H-ON instead of humanity-on and off*** h-off Stefan wanted Caroline to join him, enjoy it with him. A part of h-on Stefan’s fond of her still carries within h-off Stefan. The entire episode’s theme was more like cat-mouse play rather than a revenge fight. That alone is telling enough.

Another one, being h-off does’t mean zero feelings, zero emotions. It just means they are free of the feelings what makes them more human and hold them back from being a fully functioning vampires. Such as no having grief, sadness, caring, remorse and so on. They still have the kind of feelings that’s desire, fondness, happiness, joy… More example, getting bored, annoyed, pissed and such are feelings too! If h-off vampires didn’t feel anything they wouldn’t have motivation to do anything. We do things because we feel things. If you didn’t feel fun you wouldn’t consider throwing a party. If you weren’t pissed off you wouldn’t consider getting back at someone. Feelings are motivations. If vampires didn’t have feelings during h-off they would be just killing machines who non-stop drinks blood and kill people. Playing your pray and enjoying it = having feelings again. Vampires without humanity are not ROBOTS. Vampires are not robots in any of their form. Regardless of humanity switch. Although TVD writers should have addressed it more clearly so at this point this is just our take on the matter.

So they felt the sex and they were really happy during the last scene as if there is no other place they’d rather be. The way they touched each other, kissed slowly and genuinely speak volumes.

This episode was just so much fun They were little kids who were trying to get back at each other. In entire episode Stefan was just too much into it! He was enjoying every part of it! Such as this!

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He’s not annoyed or pissed at all! I loved Stefan’s fake getting a drink from the vending machine and peace offering! I love how it blew on her face! Don’t judge me lol It’s pretty clear that h-off Stefan acted like doing this for revenge and he’d rather kill her if she doesn’t let go but when Alaric and Enzo came he protected her and teamed up with her without even thinking.

This is no different then 6x06. Classical Stefan instinct. Protectiveness remains constant. Not like full protectiveness but like I said a part of h-on Stefan’s fondness remains within h-off Stefan.

So it wasn’t about revenge or killing her. There is only one explaination and it’s that he wanted her by his side. They still have that fond of each other. You can tell how much Caroline’s affected by him and how much he’s affected by her. The bond is strong that even without their humanities they can still reach each other out.
They’re good together - They’re bad together - They are a team - They are partners in crime - They are the detective squad - They are best friends - They are soon to be lovers

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This scene, whole point of this scene is actually SEXUAL TENSION of both of them. **I assume some turned on with these scenes lol** The temptation that Caroline gives into is not bloodlust. She’s a vampire for years, she was never affected by being near of a fresh blood. Once she gained control she never showed her vampire face due to uncontrollable blood lust. So the lust here is STEFAN. (While I’m not denying she has bloodlust too) No one was able to bring out the darkness in her or made her give into temptation. H-off Caroline was still perfectly in control but Stefan turned her on lol That’s why when she goes for the vein she just drinks it 2-3 seconds then rushes forward to Stefan. She was always interested in Stefan but In that bathroom in her most vulnerable, weakest, lonely, confused, scared moment in s2 Stefan somehow touched her soul and the affection remains. Oh btw

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He’s enjoying this way too much, he’s turned on just like Caroline!

Oh the sex! It was the hottest ever! You could tell from their faces that they were feeling it in their bones, on their skin. It wasn’t just a hardcore kissing or sex!

Stefan’s face is almost as smilar to his bloodlusting face. Oh and the gulping! He was lusting her lips as much as he was lusting blood. That was full of passion, temptation, lust! Just when I thought that was it we got another scene and it was even more perfect!! Do you know the meaning of last scene?

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Stefan even without his humanity treated Caroline like a woman! He carried her into a room, placed some pillows by the fireplace and he kept his romance guy motto! You know what this means?? It was NOT JUST SEX!!

And she doesn’t even remember how they got back into the room, the intensity just blew her mind, she even lost her precious bra that she never takes off along the way lol Oh sure as hell Stefan lost somethings too! After a long time Paul showed his body on screen! We knew he was keeping it for steroline:)

To the people who say it’s just sex and there was no feelings even though everything I have pointed out. Take that last scene and show it to someone who DOESN’T watch the show nor knows anything about the characters and ask their opinions. You’ll see that 9 out of 10 will tell you, it was a romance scene, LOVE MAKING scene(Paul’s words) **10th person might probably say they are just making out who cares?? There is always that one person lol**


This is how you treat JUST SEX

This is how you treat ROMANCE

anonymous asked:

Could you write a meta about Caroline's damaged characterization? Because I am trying to still like her character but I just can't

Did you write a meta about Caroline’s character regression? If not, could you? I feel like she regressed to season 1 Caroline, but some Caroline stans told me she didn’t!

Absolutely. And honestly it’s almost hard for me to even wrap my mind around this, because they didn’t just destroy Caroline as a character, she has basically ceased to be a character entirely. Everything that she was and everything that was built up over years of development has been completely obliterated in order to make Caroline a prop for other characters, other ships, and just to add insult to injury, now a matching set of magical babies. 

I feel like the damage to Caroline’s character couldn’t be more obvious. She hasn’t even regressed to the character she once was, she has regressed to the cardboard cutout trope that the audience was initially meant to see her as, but that trope stereotype was proven to be just a misleading introduction from THE VERY FIRST EPISODE when the typical cheerleader bitch turned out to be a lonely, insecure underdog who couldn’t compare to Elena’s effortless perfection when she was trying her hardest. Caroline was an insecure and desperate control freak, but it was clear from the very start of the show that she wasn’t JUST that. 

And this to me is where Caroline’s “characterization” has failed the most in the current story line. Because Caroline was never just that, except now she pretty much is. Caroline was never the winner, never the best, and never anyone’s first choice. But then she changed and grew into herself, and that was no longer true because she made it that way. But then, SC happened. And SC was something that happened to her, not for her. And suddenly overnight and COMPLETELY OUT OF NOWHERE she is that little cardboard cutout that we were supposed to see beyond after two seconds of really knowing her as a character. And making matters worse, we’re supposed to admire Stefan not for seeing past Caroline’s veneer of neuroses and loving the person she is, but admire him for seeing that Caroline will never be the best but that he can pity fuck her anyway. It’s fucking REVOLTING. 

God, and now we have this clusterfuck. This insane mass of SC/SV/baby dog shit that looks to be Caroline’s story line for the entire season. A lot of people have said that Caroline is the new Hayley, and that’s wrong. Sure, Caroline is now the walking womb/penis receptacle/man tear kleenex that Hayley is, but Jesus Christ, and I can’t believe I’m actually saying this, but AT LEAST the writers have the common courtesy of trying to make Hayley into the most absurd Mary Sue special snowflake that the world has ever seen. The writers exalt Hayley like she’s a freaking goddess while they treat Caroline like she should be grateful that anyone would even bother victimizing her. It’s absolutely disgusting and it depresses the hell out of me to realize that a few lunatics have managed to turn one of my favorite characters of all time into something that doesn’t even get the dignity and respect of my least favorite character in history.

Caroline Forbes S6 Storyline - Control is All I Have

I’ve seen a lot of unfounded hate against the direction that Caroline Forbes’ character took in S6 and I felt the need to write out why none of what Caroline went through is character regression this season and was in fact designed for her to fail and grow from.

Disclaimer: I am a Caroline stan through and through but I do not pretend that she isn’t without flaws or that she doesn’t make mistakes, that’s WHY I love her. I am also an SC shipper but I did try to hold back on my bias shipper view in this, I wanted to focus on what this means for Caroline as an individual. Also this is all my personal opinion of how I read her narrative and a lot of this comes from my view as well as the views of people I follow on here so you will probably see ideas that have been explained before.

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ludo22efp  asked:

Top 10 Klaroline moments and why :D

Remember you asked for it. I am not going to be held responsible for the lengthy answer that follows lol



Because it was the first time the fascination became real. This is the moment where the crush stopped being a crush. It stopped being a game and being harmless. It was a moment of honesty. The one you feel down to the marrow of your bones. And a moment of genuine emotion. Klaus was so vulnerable there and so shocked and in awe and Caroline saw for a split second Klaus as something more than her enemy or the villain that was obsessed with her. It was a revelation for him to have someone thank him like that and to have a person see him not with fear but with gratitude. He stopped being the terror and he became the relief and no matter how much he had tried Caroline was not buying his crap and yet in that moment he sees how it is to have the woman he wants see him as something more. He can get lost in that moment. He went in there knowing that his immortality might not be able to save him but he did go. And Caroline was one of the reasons. Klaus worked so well as a villain and all that was really necessary was for him to have glimpses of humanity. Just seconds of flashes of emotion. Nothing more. Nothing less. And here it is.

And Caroline is also going down the rabbit hole here. This is Klaus and she feels safe. She is relieved to see him. She means what see says. She relaxes and she if the first to see Klaus as the man here and not the monster.

And also…come on …look at all the eye sex and the tension.

Plus. This was the moment where Klaus became the hero but being true to his character only seconds later reverts to his true colors and takes Elena with him to bleed dry and kill. I loved that!

As I also loved the party Caroline threw for his demise. Not many people do. But I was smiling like crazy. Because Klaus was not the hero and a fleeting moment of becoming the white knight would not be enough to change Caroline’s loyalty and conviction. Because Caroline can be a savage too. And the fact that she allowed herself to see underneath the monster and to keep his drawing by her nightstand and thank him from her heart is what will make her dance harder and put the read heels and step over his ashes. Because she hates herself for allowing to show…weakness for him. Especially for him. So that will be buried along with his desiccated body. Peculiar how alike those two are. Klaus does the same when he feels betrayed mostly by his own weakness. He becomes sarcastic and mask his vulnerability under walls of mockery and raises a toast with a smile full of teeth and blood. He goes for the celebration too and for looking detached and unhurt too.

Being enemies and drawing blood and going for the brutal hits even under the belt was what I liked by them because despite how much the tried to stick to their guns in the end there was an honest vulnerability between them that could not be denied and that made them fight harder to remain in their own war camps despite their attraction and that actually made them grow and put more colors in their white and black painted understanding of the world. It is gray and dark and amoral and so very human and monstrous. Klaus and Caroline are the kind of people that can bring chaos and dance in the cinders. They can even bring each other down and make each other rise despite the odds. The coin is always in the air.


Seriously. Can you spell poetry? Chemistry? Fairytale? Gothic romance? The promise of immortality and eternity?

This scene was an amalgamation of so many layers. On a superficial level you have a manipulator that wants to present himself as the savior and charm the naive girl and then be proud for his game. But this game? It was a game changer.

So many years in this earth and Klaus throughout all his ego and arrogance and boredom realizes that he can still be surprised. He can’t intimidate a baby vampire. He has made Kings and Queen bow to him. He created legends of fear and of false prophecies and conquered curses and enemies and here he is mesmerized by Caroline Forbes. It would be ridiculous if it was not such a revelation.

Klaus is the death that comes through the door and Caroline is fearless and vulnerable at the same moment. She is open and has accepted her fate and Klaus sees through her and he realizes that she is not afraid to die. She is afraid to live. She is not weak in her weakest moment.

She does not fear him but she wants to survive this and yet she does not beg. She does not whine. She does not plead. She stands her ground with grace. Klaus is ironically the hope for all the unknown she fears. Caroline has lost all she was. She is more but she is different. And the unknown is an abyss she has to cross. That brings out the blues in her. The sunshine girl can’t smile today. She loves birthdays (yes Klaus you are the same) but this time she can’t enjoy her day. This time she is dead. She does not understand everything this new life holds for her. She has to reinvent herself, to take the long way around now. Caroline realized that she will be 17 forever. She is stuck in the middle transitioning year. She is forever. She won’t grow old. She won’t have her human dreams come true. Her life will not be what she used to dream or had planned (and for a control freak like her this is a nightmare). It is all too scary and too much and here comes Klaus with all his promises but he has delivered only death so far. And for a moment his words are a promise of lost birthdays because she does not even have those. She pondered the scary immortality all day long and now she is dying. This could be her last birthday.

And yet he gives her a choice. Live or die. Not just survive. Live. Go out there. Grasp everything. Carpe noctem and discover the beauty of the night and of their kind. Because she is a vampire and she relishes in it that that is a unique trait that Klaus admires. Because time works differently now. Because she can have a thousand birthdays. And art and beauty and blood and carnage. Klaus is the nightmare that gives her the hope of a dream. He has seen the world. He has conquered it. And she can have that. Not because someone will give it to her but because she can reach out and take it. It is her choice. So far she was the second choice. So far she died because Katherine wanted to send a message. So far she was raped because Damon wanted a pawn and Elena. So far Elena came first. So far her father tortured her. So far her mother had rejected her. So far she had to beg for a daylight ring. So far she had to prove her worth and to prove that she had a right to life. So far she was collateral damage in the greater picture and when Klaus entered her room he expected to see her as such. He even told her she was. But he then realizes that she is …not.

Here comes Klaus and she does not beg. She has nothing to prove. He makes it clear that she is worth it and can have all her dreams come true and dreams she had never even dreamed of but only if it is HER choice. Caroline expected and wanted people to make her their first choice and Klaus here tells her that she has to do it for herself. She has to put herself first. To make herself her first choice. To ask. To want. To be selfish with her survival. To want to have it all. This literally marks the beginning of their relationship and after that Caroline holds Klaus to that. Constantly. She comes first. And he, the last man she would ever expect to do so, makes her his first choice because the universe is cruel and funny and glorious and likes a good joke and an epic story now and then.

And Caroline can decide to come first. To make the choice of finally having control. Control over her life and nature and death and for the first time the future belongs to her. To embrace what she is. It is acceptance. It is power. It is dominance and strength. And Klaus sees that in her. He sees all the potential and the genuine beauty. Here she is. Not scared of him but scared of life. Stunned of the unknown. She is just at the beginning. Here she is with the cheap trinket in her wrist and it takes only one look for him to realize all the potential she has and how she was showered with cheap trinkets all her life by the people that should be giving her more. She is where he had been once. At the first curve and at the birthing pains that come along with becoming death and greater than life. He knows of her loyalty and her connection to the MF gang but he also sees her for who she is for the first time. No pretenses. Not a connection in relation to something else. He sees Caroline Forbes. And what he sees he likes. He does not see the girl. He sees the woman. He is drawn to her like a moth to a flame. And here he presents himself as the flame. All cocky and sure and having all the answers and in reality he is the moth. And Caroline becomes the flame. And he does not know it yet but he is about to get burned. And he will.


A vampire feeding from another vampire is something personal. Like vampire sex hormones running through the bloodstream and Klaus really enjoyed it.



I mean….


Also Klaus admits that he knows of Caroline’s past. He knows of her being the Mystic Fall’s beauty Queen. And he simply admits it in a sexy creepy unsettling and so hot way. Because every self respecting vampire will stalk the object of his affection. It is in the handbook of Dracula 101 where vampires DO NOT SPARKLE but stalk their prey and romance at night.

Also here we have royalty and classic and modern vampire gothic in perfect blend. Bram Stoker’s Dracula meets Anne Rice’s Lestat. Those were the days (because the empire fell and I am still in mourning for the demise)


Because Klaus has promised the same promise to Caroline TWICE. Even three if we count the thousand birthdays she could have.

Because this promise comes after him burning his drawings of her in the fire and yet he still wants her because he just can’t resist her. Because his own mother knew how important Caroline was for him and lured him into her trap by only using Caroline’s name. Because it is magnetic. Because dancing is their thing. Because when he walks away Caroline is actually startled because he has gotten under her skin. Because her venom has him on his knees despite being the ‘alpha male’. Because for a moment he pretends that she was in Chicago with him back in the era he loved.

Because here is the first time he promises to wait for her for however long it takes and here he has yet to understand what is truly happening to him. Here he is in control. Or so he thinks and yet all it takes is Caroline’s name to be mentioned and he comes undone. Here is a game of challenge and pull and push. Here it is an infatuation. But it runs so much deeper. It is a longing that Klaus can’t translate in the right way just yet and here he is giving to Caroline once more the choice. To come to him. In a day, a year, a century. Big words. Words of seduction. Words that soon enough would transform to however long it takes…to he is your first love and I will be your last.


What I liked the best about this scene is that it separates the subjective from the objective.

We hear Klaus talking about kindness and mercy and pity and we scoff because what he actually does not seem like mercy or kindness or pity. If anything his actions are far from it. And that happens because kindness and mercy and pity have for most people a certain meaning. An objective meaning. We the viewers -or at least most of us- have a certain understanding of emotion and we have levels of empathy but if we see it under Klaus perspective and psychosis then what happens? If a person is a machine that can produce certain quantities of emotion then how much mercy and kindness and pity Klaus can actually produce? Not what he could produce in theory. But what he can actually give. What do these words and these emotions actually mean for Klaus to begin with? How does he process them? How does he connect with those? It is simple. He doesn’t unless he has something to gain. And yet here in his mind it is like an epiphany. Because for a fleeting moment inside his eternity he yielded even an inch. Unprecedented really. But only for Caroline. He makes it clear that he only did that for her and he won’t let her take advantage of that. Because this is still a game where all is fair in love and war between them. Because he knows her as much as he knows himself when the delusion fades away. He has taken advantage of the mercy and kindness and pity others showed him. And he destroyed them and he won’t let Caroline destroy him because she could if he would let her but that is where he draws the line. It is like a sort of truce between them but in a unique way only those two can understand. Their level of manipulation can only reach so far.

Klaus still remains the villain of the story. He is not set to change. Caroline told him that everyone capable of love is capable of being saved. But being capable does not mean that it will happen. In the end it has to be a personal choice and Klaus has made his a long time ago. Caroline gave him the choice and he took it at heart but his heart still is black. And Caroline is the only one that ever gave him a choice really. His siblings have a certain idea for him. They either condemn him or try to save him and fix him as if he needs to be fixed while they hypocritically avert their eyes from their own natures. Their relationship so tainted and twisted that the personal choices between are non existent. His parents saw him as an abomination that needed to be cursed and destroyed. His victims and enemies feared and hated him. His lovers saw a mask but not him. His friends …well that it a concept Klaus does not even understand. But Caroline gives him a choice. It will all be up to him, the good and the bad. He won’t be able to find excuses for his actions now. It is all up to him. Not on others or circumstances or an abstract idea of evil others forced on him. If he has something to prove will have to be personal and not for the eyes of all others.

And Klaus makes his choice and it is not 100% altruistic. Id anything the percent is really low. But it is a start. At the same moment his actions assure however that Caroline’s relationship with Tyler will take a major hit and he will still win and keep his enemies at check because revenge has always been a safe constant in his life. Something he could rely upon. Because that way he will keep being the hunter and never again the prey.

But why really does this have an impact in Caroline relationship?

Caroline at the beginning of the season was ready to run away with Tyler. Away from Mystic Falls and into a new life. But why not now? What is holding her back? Why stay at Mystic Falls and not go with Tyler?

It is her choice. Klaus presents her with choices she does not like but they are choices none the less.

And this is what Caroline has been doing with Klaus all along.

Because Caroline asked from Klaus to show to Tyler the same mercy she would show him.

And Klaus did.

Because Caroline had shown him her “mercy”.

She was ready to put Klaus soul inside Rebekah’s daggered body and lock the coffin under cement forever. She was there to guard Klaus inside the barrier Bonnie made while all others searched for the cure with having the intention, as Tyler said, to force it down to Klaus’ throat and kill him. Caroline showed no sensitivity or mercy when he covered the horrific burned corpse with so much disregard. Kol’s body. Whatever Klaus had done it is inhuman to act like that in front of a brother that is mourning his brother’s death and has had to watch the scorched corpse of his brother for hours unable to retrieve him and give him a funeral or simply look away while he watched his brother when he was dying. There should be a level of respect even between enemies when it comes to this and Caroline supposedly and in theory is the one that is capable of respect and emotion and is one of the good guys and here she treats Kol’s body as garbage while gloating too. All the while knowing that Jeremy and Elena had committed genocide for reasons of convenience.

Where is Caroline’s mercy here? Where is her pity and kindness? When she is in power what kind of sympathy her actions reflect?

Caroline is showing the same traits Klaus is showing. And she does not even have a thousand years on her back yet. She is capable for immense cruelty even though she is able to love and capable to be saved because of it. The fact that Caroline is the ‘good’ vampire does not make her a good person. It makes her a good (subjectively) vampire and a vampire is a dark creature in the end. And Caroline is one of the characters that thrives at being a vampire. She does not duel in guilt.  She enjoys the power. The lack of fear. The abilities that come with vampirism. She enjoys the confrontation and she enjoys deciding where and when she will show her compassion and if that compassion can gain for her something she truly wants then even better. And Klaus not only is able to understand this kind of behavior but he also respects it and admires.

But when this callous behavior is directed at him it will provoke his volatile reaction but it will also help him grow if the confrontation is on an emotional and intellectual level and so far only Caroline has managed to engage him successfully in that field. He is the most powerful creature on earth. Having a person have such power over him and be such a challenge on more levels than just the superficial surface is unique.

The mercy Klaus and Caroline are capable of showing is different from what people consider mercy to begin with. And in the end even the mercy they show to each other differentiates and this one of the many reasons why they have a connection between them that they can’t deny.


Let us be honest here. Here you have a man that is ready to let go of everything and run away to the sunset with the woman of his dreams… should Caroline have answered…yes. Had she given him the same choice she gave to Tyler he would have left everything for her. He would have left everything behind. She comes first. Always. Underneath all the manipulation and games Klaus has given her the honesty no one else has before and probably never will..not in such rare unimaginable way. And that is terrifying for Caroline because she is not ready. She is too young for now. But it is also scary because when Silas went into her mind she admitted that she was terrified of Klaus and of her feelings. She wants her perfect feathers ruffled. She has the deep dark desires she is about to confess and Klaus here is real and not a fake altered image. And him being real makes everything more painful and challenging.

You have Klaus that has managed to let go of revenge…twice and for the first and last time in his life and only for Caroline. For no one else. Not ever. Because no one else matters for him as Caroline does. In the end of the line Klaus is stupidly selfless when it comes to Caroline. And that would be something to admire to anyone but how much more when Klaus is the paradigm of pure toxic and undiluted twisted selfishness. Klaus takes and takes and takes everything from everyone until they have nothing left and here he carries his heart in his sleeve for Caroline and is ready to give. He does not care about the time frame of his life or what awaits him to any other part of the world.

He is really ready to lay the world at her feet. He is full of hope and need and he is straightforward with it. He withholds facts from Caroline but so does she. The only honesty here is what they feel for each other. What he feels for her. Deep down is all that matters.

“Were I to abandon my revenge against Katerina, would you offer me the same choice as Tyler?”

And the thing here is that Klaus abandoned his revenge for Katherine without expecting nothing in return. Without Caroline even asking. So his answer to the choice she never gave him is crystal clear.


Now check out that gasp. That is a Klaroline trademark gasp right here because every time Klaus gives Caroline a gift and he is not in front to see her reaction she always gasps in that way. Every time she unwraps the gift she unravels herself. It goes from awe to wonder to genuine emotion but the gasp remains the same. Only Klaus can bring that out in her and it is really a secret because he doesn’t know it and no one else knows it and even Caroline does not understand she does it.

The bracelet, the dress, the drawing. It is a reaction Caroline has only for Klaus related gifts lol. Have you ever seen her using that gasp for anything else really? Nope.


Because what Caroline says here is not only true but right here she is not only refused to be seduced by him but also seduces him and using his tricks against him. Blond distraction sweetheart minus the accent.

Klaus used his smile and charm to gain favors from witches and minions and people. He does it all the time. He was so used to have people getting seduced by him to the point of their literal blindness and stupidity. They were all becoming blind to his motives and then he would strike. Caroline does it so effortlessly here and while Klaus at first was all for fun and games he will come to realize that the woman here is a good player. Hell she is a great player. Like him. She is not just smart and tenacious but also lethal. By the time he sees that he has fallen to her trap is too late. He needs to readjust his perception over Caroline Forbes. Because the darkness in her is as alluring as her light. After that he will be willing entering her traps but this first time knocks the wind out of him. And he would retaliate with anyone else that would dare to pull such a stunt but here Caroline walks unscathed. And in all honesty had she not shown to him this side of hers he would have probably made a miscalculation when it came to her character and he would have eventually moved on from her.

Klaus here tempts her. Goes for the dreams and hopes and everything she wants in life and he is the first to want to know her like this. His words are not lost but Caroline sees him for what he is. But he fails to see her for what she is at first. And this is how his infatuation slowly turns because Caroline manages to cut him deep. What his enemies could not do and it is a kind word and a smile that made him fall. It is what he does really to others. All others fail to see him for who he truly is and when they do it is too late for them.

Later than night Klaus will burn his drawings from her. He will need to paint her again. This time the pictures will be more clear, more alluring, more dangerous. He burned his infatuation for her. Now he is ready to fall in love because the pretty blonde is more than just a pretty face. She is mind and heart and all that he sees in his mirror and she is loyal and she is accepted and she is managing all that he has failed to do. People love her. And she makes it seem so simple. She is too smart to be seduced by him so he won’t go for the seduction. He will aim for the brutal game now. The honest. The pull and the push. The challenge.

Because he told Kol that he appreciates a good challenge. And Caroline proved to be a true one. Literally one in a thousand and he should know. He is a thousand.


I know that most people enjoy the fact that Caroline is pushing Klaus to his limits like no one else would. How she demands his surrender and how she does not show him mercy as Klaus would not and how this is a game of manipulation and a waiting game and how this is a clash of wills. Caroline is demanding and the HBIC here. And Klaus called Caroline in his most vulnerable moment. Not his family but Caroline.

But I want to point out something else.

People call Caroline a good vampire. A gentle soul. An angel of goodness. I am here to call bullshit! She is not just a morally ambiguous character but also a mini Klaus in the making. But way more efficient and balanced and potentially far more dangerous should she cultivate her talents.

Klaus brings that out in her because when Caroline is with Klaus either they flirt or fight they manage to bring out a balance in their game. She is his equal. She enjoys the game. She embraces the power and the vampire charisma. Caroline likes the sin and playing with evil ways and because she considers herself to be morally correct she simply ignores her Machiavellian streak and finds excuses for it.

Klaus is a force of nature and Caroline knows that in order to top that she needs to be a warrior and to entice him. Klaus does not need coddling. He is a manipulative asshole. Give him a pat on the shoulder and he will step on you and feed on your broken pieces. Klaus is more harmful when he is loved by people who can’t see through his facade and buy into his fake image of the misunderstood man or the of tragic victim than he is for his enemies. Caroline knows it. Why? Because despite her young age she is capable of doing the same. It is instinctual for her. If power won’t give her what she wants, if intimidation won’t work she will get under someone’s skin and eat them from the inside out. She will use her dimples and innocent looking face to demand the death of a stranger for the exchange of a date. She will coddle those that commit genocide or feed humans to hunters and call it a day and then she will party for the demise of her enemies. She will smile and seduce and distract. And if needed be she will use even her enemies to her advantage. She will slowly invade their weaknesses and make them feel empathy and sympathy and then she will use that for her convenience mercilessly. She is a ruthless strategist and aside her confrontations with Klaus she lets her talents go to waste most of the time. But with Klaus she does not have to pretend at all. She sheds her own facade and goes full force on him. Because HE can take it as can SHE when he is concerned. Because he is also a challenge for her as she is for him. Because hello storm here it is the hurricane speaking and I will give you the thunder and you will give me the earthquake and we will dance in the chaos and between rage and serenity.

This scene is a perfect example.

So Klaus calls Caroline. Not just because he trusts her but because he knows that she belongs to his bloodline. He dies and then she dies and everyone she loves dies. Caroline really does not have a choice here. Whenever Klaus has used that card to anyone else it worked. You would have to be insane as to go full kamikaze on an Original that his survival holds your own.

And what does Caroline do here?

She sees her cards and plays him hard. She shows her talent as a torturer something that Klaus appreciates because hell he had a medieval device ready for Connor (the hunter) at a really short notice lol.

Caroline is unyielding and plays Russian roulette here. At that point Caroline and Klaus actually believe that a piece of white oak is going straight to his heart. At any point all of them could die. She would die. Tyler. Elena. Stefan. Damon. Klaus. She does not care. She rises the stakes. She does what Klaus would do. She shows her so infamous mercy he asked him to show when he told her they are the same. She is the master manipulator here and she does it with full understanding of the risks and she does take a huge risk. All of them could die at any minute. The gun is literally loaded and Klaus does not back down so Caroline makes the deal sweeter along with her intimidation and game of pain and terror. She promises him her friendship. Honesty. To give him a chance. To give him what he craves while also holding a blade against his throat. The woman is a freaking menace. She enjoys the thrill. She goes for the physical pain and the emotional manipulation. She has him all helpless and takes advantage of it. Exactly what Klaus does all the time.

And do you know what? When Klaus ordered Tyler to bite her he was the one that entered her room holding her death as leverage. She was collateral damage because he had goals to gain. He used her imminent death while holding her salvation an inch away from her to lure her in. He played with that advantage. She was in pain from the Hybrid poison and he was making her promises of what she dreamed of having and what she craved the most while also presenting himself as the all knowing powerful salvation full of mercy and arrogance. Well hello there. Look at how the cards have turned. Caroline here DOES EXACTLY THE SAME. And people accuse her for it? But when Klaus does it its all epic and romantic right? Sure Jan lol

And here is the thing. When Klaus held his blood -aka he held the cure- against Damon’s life Stefan begged and bowed down. When Klaus held the cure against Caroline’s life Tyler begged twice and her mother yielded. When Elena needed the cure Stefan begged again and Klaus used Elena as leverage. Klaus refused to yield to Caroline here but Caroline refused to save him and her life and the lives of those she loves too until he would. Caroline does not beg. She demands. She manipulates. She stands up. Just like Klaus does. Klaus here is ready to let things deteriorate up to the point of his death because he does feel like dying and he is ready to risk it. It is the game of chicken but Caroline is not an easy opponent. When he bit Caroline she was also letting things deteriorate up to the point of her death in order to force his hand and have him save her.

Now come and tell me that Caroline Forbes is not a mini Klaus. That in a thousand years she will not be exactly like him if not better. That she was not born for becoming a vampire darkness and all. That what she truly dreams is a normal ‘human’ life with no danger and passion and suspense. I dare you.


Look how Klaus “love is a weakness and we don’t feel and don’t care” Mikaelson uses indirectly the word love to describe how he will wait for her for eternity. Like he can spell it, telegraph it, put it on a neon sign at this point. This is it. This does not come from a boy. Or even a man. This comes from an immortal with a full understanding of what immortality means. Perhaps in day…a year…or a century he once said and now he says it again and this time he understands not only the gravity of his words but also of his emotions. However long it takes.

And you know. Klaus waited for a thousand years to break his curse. Waiting is what he knows to do best. Patience is the key. Some things are just worth the wait.

Caroline Forbes Meta Part 1 - Defense against shi*t haters say !!


Author’s Note: This is a two part meta. Part one will deal with the hate the character Caroline Forbes has received, particularly when she was human. This is also for those who still believe vampirism changed her. She was always this person, we just never looked deep enough to see it.

Part 2 will deal with some of the instances TVD has downplayed Caroline’s epic moments - moments where her personality and the qualities that made her the character I stan, where at its peak.




TVD at its inception, shed light into Caroline’s insecurities, both as some one who craved love in her life and as a friend. But on closer examination however, I find that these insecurities are not unfounded.

Bonnie-Elena-Caroline Dynamic

Season 1 is full of instances where it is obvious that Bonnie and Elena did not treat Caroline the same way they treat each other. They did not share with her the same information; they did not include her in plans. And they certainly treated her like a silly over-the-top blonde who was undeserving of their attention. Almost like, they were better than her.

Drawing from canon, Caroline in high-school was the popular girl; the head cheerleader. So it’s not like she did not have people who didn’t want to be around her. It was more of a question of who she wanted to be with. Think about it, these are the two girls she grew up with and spent all of her childhood knowing and loving. Yet these are the very two girls who seemed to ignore her and preferred eachother’s company to hers. Especially in the beginning of Tvd, it is easy to notice that Elena and Bonnie did more things together and Caroline had to barge her way into their little click to be noticed.

Perhaps, one of the reasons she was insecure is because these two ‘friends’ made it so damn hard for her. 

The fear and intense dislike of being left out is something that she carries with her for quite some time, even after she turned.

S5x20 Caroline to Stefan

Sucks to be left out of the loop

While for TVD fans this is all about Caroline being jealous of Elena, it’s more than that. Caroline had been left out of the loop far too much by Elena and Bonnie. They didn’t even tell her about vampires walking around Mystic Falls and attending classes. Even after being attacked and compelled by Damon and attacked by Logan - they still didn’t think it necessary to tell her about these things roaming around, killing people. So I would imagine it came as quite a shock to realize she has been lied too and kept in the dark all this time and that it took turning into a vampire herself to be deserving of the truth. Harsh.

Then she sees that the one friend who she has come to know quite closely ; someone she thought was close enough to tell her anything, was deliberately keeping something from her. Hence the question - “we are friends right? We tell eachother things, we trust eachother”. She doesn’t want the pattern she had with Bonnie and Elena to repeat itself with Stefan.


The Double Date

This is an instance where Caroline’s insecurity is highlighted.

Now, this Matt/Caroline, Stefan/Elena double date happened in S1 of TVD. At the time Elena was portrayed as the central character, the protagonist if you will. And we all think, the protagonists can do no wrong. Or at least, that is the preconceived notion that many harbored while watching this scene. As a viewer, one is inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the main protagonist, rather than the girl playing the supporting role, which in turn makes it easy to point fingers at this supporting character and call her silly.

But once the prejudice is put aside, and the situation is looked at objectively, one would realize that had any one been Caroline on that double date, they would have had to have skin made of titanium to not feel insecure.

Here is a girl who is dating someone who was totally in love with her friend. She is still not sure he is completely over Elena. This was not about Elena’s feelings for Matt. This was about Caroline being unsure of whether Matt is over Elena. So she bravely sets up a double date, to get the awkwardness out of the way, to settle into the new normal of Elena dating Stefan and her dating Matt. Only, during the date, her boyfriend and friend start reminiscing, leaving her completely out of the loop. Now this is enough to make any girl squirm and had the roles been flipped at the time, TVD fans would have rushed to Elena’s aid, (because she is the protagonist that we are supposed to root for) and would have put down Caroline as being insensitive. But unfortunately, no one came to Caroline’s rescue and she was painted as the shallow, silly one.  

This was not even the only instance where Matt while dating Caroline showed a preference to Elena. So I would go so far as to say that her insecurities were warranted. And any girl in her place would feel the same way.

Lets give the girl a break.


I’m Never The One

This is the dialogue that either made you love her or hate her as a character. Here she basically talks about never being the one, for the guy she wants.

S1x01 Caroline to Bonnie:

How come the guys I want never want me”

The operative term here being, the guys I want. She is not asking for just any guy to pick her. She doesn’t want all the boys to fall at her feet. She doesn’t want the most popular guy to date her. What she wants, is the guy she likes, to want her back. Sounds like a reasonable demand to me.

Yet the haters have turned this into her being a whiny little girl. Truth is, everybody wants to be loved. Caroline was unabashed and candid about it. That is the only difference between her and everybody else. Wanting to be loved does not equate to being shallow or weak. It’s what makes us human. In fact I would go so far as to say that it takes courage to be honest about something like that and say it out loud, even if it is to a friend.



In Season 1x16 after the disastrous double date, Elena saw that Caroline was not feeling great about herself and instead of trying to understand where shes coming from she just goes straight to, “you’re being ridiculous”.

S1x01 Caroline opens up to Bonnie about her insecurities and is met with “ Its not a competition” to which she replies, “yeah it is” . .

In both instances, neither friends try to get to the root of the problem that’s nagging Caroline. Elena just dismisses it as Caroline being silly and Bonnie like a lot of the TVD viewers just looked at it as Caroline having a melodramatic moment. She is not taken seriously. Or rather, her fears are not acknowledged; they are not addressed and are just left intact to grow and intensify.

While I understand how it’s easy to shun a character who thinks it necessary to compete with her own friends, I would suggest a deeper look into why she feels it’s a competition.

It is a competition for her because that’s what she’s been doing for so long. When she made this statement, she was already essentially competing for the affections of all those who mattered to her at the time. Her two “best friends” who ignore her a lot of the time and who don’t take her seriously; her father who is basically MIA; her relationship with her mother is strained and she is difficult with Liz simply because she feels  her mother prioritizes work over her. So at this point in her life, it’s not attention that she craves, its undiluted affection.


She doesn’t even try and he picks her.. …and I try.. so hard..” [S01x01 Caroline to Bonnie]

The one thing we know about Caroline is that the girl is tenacious, she never gives up. She gives it her all. Whether she was born like this or whether her circumstances drove her to imbibing this quality, or a combination of both, we can’t say for certain. But she tries. She tries hard with her friends, with school, pretty much everything. She tries in the hope that her hard work will pay off. That the friends she loves will accept her; so that the mother who she thinks prefers work over her will put her first. She applies the same try hard methodology to boys and unfortunately it backfires with Stefan. So yeah she had a moment. You would too had you been trying so hard at everything and not succeeding in any department – her friends still make fun of her, her relationship with her mother is strained and now the boy she likes told her flat out that its not going to happen.

So yeah she had an emotional moment. It’s not her being weak. It’s her being a normal human being whose hurting. 


Steroline honorable mention. Coz it’s my meta and I can :P #SorryNotSorry

In fact the only one to acknowledge and quell her insecurities was Stefan.  This is one of the reasons I love Steroline so much. When he saw that she was feeling insecure, he didn’t just brush it aside or make her look stupid for feeling the way she did. Instead he was open and honest right back. He understood where she was coming from, and he didn’t want her to feel that way. Because there is no one else with whom he’s more honest and open with than her. So he tells her - “I didn’t want you to think any less of me”. This was him not only telling her everything, but it was him being vulnerable by sharing with her his own insecurity, that she might dislike him for what he did. Which takes me to 6x21 where he says “that’s what falling for someone is, it’s being vulnerable”. And the beautiful part, she didn’t think any less of him, She saw his insecurity behind the words… because she listened. It’s part of the beauty of Steroline, how they can read between the lines..  [Caroline: I hear everything… Stefan:only when you listen..]

Steroline feels ! 


Okay back to Caroline Forbes. 

She tries so hard because she just wants to be loved.

Caroline to Matt [S01x08]

Do you ever feel like there is not a person in the world who loves you?

Kind of an odd statement to come from the popular cheerleader don’t you think. Most TVD viewers attribute this statement to her unreasonable insecurity - her biggest character flaw. Yet no one takes into account that she’s just lonely.  You can be popular, be in a room full of people and still feel all alone.

This dialogue when looked at in conjunction with another one - gives more insight into the psyche of Caroline Forbes, the girl.

Caroline to Elena [S01x16] “You don’t get it.. Why would you.. You are everyone’s first choice - the operative word her being “Everyone’s”. ‘Coz at that point in Caroline’s life, she felt no one put her first.

To Matt she essentially says she feels NOBODY loves her. Which is her saying she has no one to fall back on, no one who she can count on, no one who puts her first and loves all of her.

Her words to Elena she voices what she sees Elena has - EVERYONE’S first choice. Which is something she tries so hard to be. What she wants, is for the people she loves, to love her back. She wants the people she prioritizes to prioritize her.

This is a girl who’s father recently left them. Who’s constant complain is that her mother does not spend time with her.  She feels that her mother basically loves her job more than her.  She’s the girl whose friends tolerate her, but don’t care for her the way she does them. Both these statements aren’t just about unrequited love for a boy.. she basically feels that there’s no one who is on her side.. no one she can rely on completely. .. NOBODY.. not.. no BOY.. NOBODY. What she wants is to feel important to the people who are important to her.  



Here is what I don’t get. Elena has dated 3 boys so far.. well 4 if you include Liam. And Caroline has dated 3 – Damon, Matt and Tyler. Klaus wasn’t a relationship.

Stefan and Damon have slept with innumerable women. Yet that all seems to add to their desirability factor and Caroline is left holding the Slut Placard. Why?

‘Dating’ Damon was a bad judgment call. She was at an emotional low and she needed validation. She thought she would find that in Damon. Instead she was abused. But she learnt from her mistake. Even with Klaus wooing her left, right , center, she never agreed to be in a relationship with him.

In fact Damon goes so far as to call her “Prudy-Trudy”. Implying that she is NOT promiscuous. Apart from the Klaus one night stand (which lets face it, was her getting him out of her system), she’s never really had a fling. Both her relationships with Matt and Tyler were real. She gave it her best effort. Especially with Tyler. 

So the whole premise of calling her a slut, is IMHO, pure, unadulterated - shit.



Allow me to throw canon at your face - Vampirism does not change who you are. It only amplifies your existing traits. Both good and bad.

The Caroline Forbes you see now, personality wise, is of the same make and mould as her human version.

About Caroline, no matter what her flaws are, when push comes to shove, you are gonna want that girl by your side Stefan to Tyler

This statement was made after she was turned. Drawing attention to the fact that Tyler was very much aware of the traits that many found irksome and that vampirism did not magically erase it. But what Stefan is trying to say is that, there is more to Caroline Forbes than what meets the eye. She may look flawed from a certain angle, but there are qualities in her that make her a perfect ally/friend - someone you really want on your team. And that has nothing to do with her vampirism. That has everything to do with the person that she is.

You grew into yourself” [4x03 Stefan to Caroline]

Grew into yourself as opposed to, you took a U-turn and left behind your human self. It wasn’t a transformation, it was a natural evolution of Caroline Forbes. Think of it as a coming of age story, where the character goes through doubts, fears, takes a few wrong turns, only to come out being the person they were always meant to be.

Caroline would have gotten there eventually, vampirism or no vampirism. Which is why it irritates me when people say Human Caroline was a waste of space while Vampire Caroline is awesome, because they are in reality, the same person, ie:- AWESOME !

Caroline at her core is the same person she was as a human. Tenacious, loving, caring, empathetic, neurotic, control freak… her insecurities too reared it head at certain points, which again attests to the fact that she hasn’t really changed, she just leaned to control her flaws better.

That’s what makes you, you[Stefan to Caroline 5x17] - The fact that she wouldn’t kill Tom Avery is not what made her a good vampire, it was what made her Caroline Forbes. And that’s what Stefan knew more than anyone else. Because he actually took the effort to get to know her and he saw her for all that she was.


Double Standards

Its funny how her ‘trying so hard’ made her unlikeable as a human but not so much as a vampire. Because it was great when the same tenacity was applied to say.. bringing Stefan back from the dead. Or keep Stefan’s ripper side in check. Or when she helped stefan overcome his PTSD. Double standards much? You can’t have the cake and eat it too. So, either you hate that she never gives up and tries too hard, or you love that part of her; you can’t hate it but love it when it works to your (or your fav character’s) advantage. 

Truth is, throughout the seasons we see that she continues to try her best. The only difference between human Caroline and vampire Caroline is that her focus is changed as a vampire. Her world is not just about school, friends and family anymore. She is suddenly thrust into this world of vampires, werewolves and orignals. Right from when she is turned there are people trying to kill her. She has to do everything she can to survive and to make sure her friends survive. Vampirism did not change her. It just gave her different priorities. 


So to sum it up, she’s the same Caroline. So next time you feel the need to say, Oh, she is better now that she is a vampire… don’t.


Part 2 coming up….

Why Steroline sucks

Okay, so I feel like there are some things that need to be point out in view of what’s been happening lately and I really need to get this out of mychest, because I just saw someone preaching about how non problematic Steroline is and I just… I can’t, it’s physically impossible for me to let this slide.

First I’m going to start by saying how no one needs a good reason to hate anything, people can hate things just because. People are very much allowed to hate something just because it doesn’t appeal to them or just because it’s not what they are usually interested in and people are very much allowed to hate a ship just because they don’t think said ship has any chemistry or just because it gets in the way of their OTP. It’s called freedom, deal with it and let people dislike what they dislike in peace.

And just like people are allowed to dislike whatever they want, they are also allowed to like whatever they want and ship whatever the fuck they want. If people don’t want to move on from what you consider to be a dead ship, then that’s their right and, frankly, it’s not your problem, it’s theirs. Why do other people’s shipping preferences matter to you anyway? Just ship whatever you ship and let others be.

But, since I’ve seen so many Steroline shippers begging for real reasons to hate their ship, I decided to list the reasons why Steroline sucks:

  • #1 – The hero worshiping. As everyone and their mothers know Caroline sees Stefan as her hero. Why? Because he is, Stefan helped Caroline during one of the most difficult periods of her life, he was her friend when other people turned their backs on her and he helped her through her transition, he was there for her and he cared. So it’s only normal for Caroline to admire him, that’s okay. What is not okay though is for her to be completely blind to Stefan’s flaws and to turn a blind eye to his darker side. She believes Stefan is the perfect guy and she trusts him completely, which has put her into dangerous positions before and will certainly do it again. And this doesn’t stop there, Stefan is very happy to indulge in this hero worship, he likes that she thinks so highly of him and he even lied to her in order to maintain it. And a relationship where one has to lie to the other about who they truly are is not a healthy one. (Say whatever you want about Klaroline, but at least Caroline always knew exactly who Klaus was and what he was capable of and he never pretended to be otherwise.)
  • #2 – They killed her mother in order to make this ship happen. I don’t care what Caroline Dries says, I care about what I see on the screen and what I saw was Liz’s disease being used as a plot device to prop Steroline, bring them closer and later cause them more angst. Caroline spent most of what should be her big non romantic storyline talking about it with Stefan than she did having actual scenes with her mom.
  • #3 – The guilt tripping. Since it was made known that Caroline has romantic feelings for Stefan pretty much all the characters had to tell him how amazing she is, how he should give her a chance and now Elena will probably tell him that if he had said the right thing Caroline wouldn’t flip the switch. Now, I’m not a big fan of Stefan at all, but how is it cool that the guy is being guilt tripped into having feelings for a girl he has only ever seen as friend and stated as much before?
  • #4 – Neither Caroline nor Stefan are their own characters anymore. 95% (or more) of Stefan and Caroline’s scenes have been with each other, they don’t interact with anyone else, have no other sl that don’t include each other in some way and when they aren’t having a scene together the other must be mentioned. They have nothing going on for them as individuals, we don’t have Stefan and Caroline anymore, we have Stefanandcaroline.
  • #5 – Character regression. Caroline’s feelings for Stefan make no sense to me when I consider all the character development she had received during show’s course. She had stopped being that insecure girl who was always jealous of Elena and felt second best to her, she had come see her own value and expect a lot more from guys, if they didn’t value her enough nor put her first then she would break up with them, which was what happened to Tyler. So it make no sense to me why Caroline would want to pursue a relationship with someone who is clearly not interested, someone who she’s seen would do absolutely anything for Elena, someone whose love for her best friend she used to admire and root for. Caroline knows that Stefan will never love anyone the he loves Elena and that should be reason enough for not to want nor expect anything but friendship from him.

So there you go, Steroline shippers, five good reasons to hate this couple. 

And I’m going to stop here because it’s very late and I’m super tired, but I’m sure there are plenty more reasons why Steroline is one of the worst things in TVD.