When you are done with season 4 of race to edge what do you think are the pro and cons of the season and what do you hope for season 5?
Alright! I’ve just finished RTTE S4, and I would looooove to discuss pros and cons. I’ll make a list of some favorite small moments later, but here I will talk about big overarching pros and cons. Heads up to people that, because I’m talking pros and cons, I will get into both celebrations and constructive criticism. I’m not intending to rain on anyone’s parade by giving my comments on what I think could be better; I’m just being honest about the things that aren’t my favorite, and which I think are important to recognize… and I can at the same time recognize the show’s weaknesses and be a celebrating fan of the strengths.
Big Pros of RTTE S4
Book References Galore. I am always a fan of book references in the HTTYD show. This season contained a lot of instances which reminded me of the books. Whether or not that was intentional from the writers, it still gives book lovers a means of identify with elements they find familiar. In this season, we got book-like things including but not limited to:
A dragon which can only be birthed in the middle of a volcano.
Fishlegs calling Hiccup his best friend.
Snotlout feeling threatened by Hiccup’s role as a leader and trying to subvert it and become a great leader himself - be it king, or at least the leader over the other youths. Snotlout pretends to deliberate about killing Hiccup. He gets to be a little more antagonistic than usual when he’s trying so desperately to show that he’s great leader material, hoping so much that he won’t be overshadowed by the others. But in the end, he charges out and risks his life to save Hiccup.
An oft-used phrase in the book, “Easy peasy lemon squeezy,” came right out of Snotlout’s mouth.
Viggo and Ryker’s Relationship Splintering. I was hoping as early as S2 that the writers were setting up a fracturing between Ryker and Viggo. Ryker, after all, tells Heather that he listens to Viggo because they’re family. However, Viggo’s treatment of Ryker is poor. That’s good material for a set-up and character development… and we got it! We started to see hints of it in S3.
It explodes in S4.
Ryker and Viggo, and their character developments, were probably my favorite thing about this season.
As early as the first episode, we see Ryker smiling when Viggo’s plans are thwarted. Ryker sticks by Viggo, but with increasingly-seen ill treatment on Viggo’s part, and increasingly irritated responses from Ryker, we at last get a split in Shell Shocked. Ryker has had enough of Viggo, and Viggo doesn’t have enough respect for Ryker for this to end well. Of course we still don’t know all the details about what all was planned and what was staged, but it seems Ryker did go rogue against his brother. It was nice to see this character, who was often overshadowed by Viggo, take charge and have this development.
Not to mention how both of the characters ended in Shell Shocked Part 2? Me likey. That was really cool. These appear to be both real deaths, and they are “fitting” for what the characters were. Ryker was a man of violence and strength; he got pulled underwater in the midst of a battle he waged himself. Viggo sought to gain profits and control dragons through the Dragon Eye; him diving to try to save the Dragon Eye shows his own motivations leading to his end.
Hiccstrid. I’m not an active Hiccstrid shipper myself (as you guys probably have heard me say many times, I almost never ship anything, and I prefer to focus on platonic and familial bonds), so I’m listing this one mostly for you guys, haha. XD I know that Hiccstrid shippers are probably going to be happy with what happened in this season! Flirtations, words of devotion, multiple kisses, all that happened. Haha, Snotlout even said “Hiccstrid” on screen! The slow boil toward their relationship has finally come to fruit, and it’s quite relieving to see.
I think what I appreciate the most was Hiccup supporting Astrid in Blindsided. The words of support he gave her were wonderful, thoughtful, deep, considerate. We have often seen throughout the franchise Astrid supporting Hiccup emotionally. This is a key moment in which we see Hiccup demonstrate great love, devotion, and support to Astrid in turn. The words he chose were nicely done. I appreciated that a lot.
Big Cons of RTTE S4
Recurring Plot Devices. I know the creators were excited about some of their planned plot twists, but the truth of the matter is that they tend to reuse the same plot devices repeatedly.
Especially, one plot device they love is when Hiccup has to ally himself with the enemy. This has been done with:
Mildew in “We Are Family Part 2″
Alvin the Treacherous in “Cast Out Part 2″
Dagur the Deranged in “Enemy of My Enemy” and “Family on the Edge”
Krogan, soooooooort of, in “Midnight Scrum”
And now Viggo Grimborn in “Shell Shocked Part 2″
It is to note that the multiple redemption arcs - as with Alvin and Dagur - show repetition, too. I will say, though, it was nice for Viggo to not be completely redeemed. He still betrayed Hiccup in the end, and I appreciated that. But as far as the ally-with-the-enemy arc is concerned… that is starting to feel a little worn out, now.
Other recurring plot devices include Dragon’s Edge being attacked by dragon hunters; one of the youths being captured or kidnapped by the enemy; and, of course, a new dragon being first dangerous but then tamed.
Weak Character Motivations. It’s not that motivations are absent. It’s that they’re not neatly connected together or expounded upon to any realistic level. Character motivations move in sudden jerks forward rather than smooth progressions. Lots of the time the character motivations are explained weakly enough that they seem extremely unrealistic toward how a person would actually react in that situation.
Dagur goes from being an enemy with ASPD symptoms… to being a tentative ally with regrets… to being a genuinely good guy who cares deeply for his sister, the other riders, and endangered dragons. They do rudimentarily explain why he goes from one mental state to the next, but it never feels convincing. Part of that is that no one just magically drops an antisocial personality. Another part of it is that we don’t see a good, smooth progression from one phase to the next. The writers put in a little bit of transition material, but never enough.
Another example is Heather and her relationship with Dagur. There was not enough material for her switching from loathing Dagur… to being uncomfortable with his “death”… to being completely comfortable around him and welcome to deep physical touch. While we get the gist of why it happened, the way in which it is presented is very unconvincing and doesn’t at all feel like how people psychologically function. It’s pushing it at best. I’m not a fan of these sorts of things being misconstrued because it can have consequences for how we handle the dangerous and toxic people in our own lives.
We have other inconsistent character motivations on top of that, along with lots of weak plot devices arising out of this, but yeah. Character motivations are not as well progressed as they should be.
Sexism. This is nothing new to the show; it’s been present since Riders of Berk and onward. It’s been bothering me increasingly more with each new season released, likely because it hasn’t gotten better (the only thing that’s gotten better is no longer using “girl” as an insult). Especially for RTTE S3 and S4, I’ve felt distinctly uncomfortable with DreamWorks Dragons’ treatment of gender. It’s just come to a point that they should have fixed their mistakes by now, except they keep perpetuating.
Default gender in the show is undeniably male. The rule of how everything works in this show is “male until proven otherwise.” Seriously though. Essentially every single individual we meet is a man, be it human or dragon. Somehow every single new introduced dragon in the show is called a “he,” despite that being highly statistically unlikely. There are even several cases in which an obvious female has been called “he.” Given as we see no other Eruptodons around, it seems likely the egg had to have been laid by the dragon on the island. Sure, we can finagle around and give decently-conjured explanations for how this dragon could still be male, but by all accounts, it’s weird. We shouldn’t, in Defenders of the Wing Part 1, call THAT dragon a “he.” Even more clearly, Chicken is a chicken - a female member of that species, obviously so by the bird’s physical features. Tuffnut even hallucinates the chicken speaking to him in a female voice. Aaaaand yet both Stoick - and in this latest season, Tuffnut himself - call Chicken “he.” No. The chicken is female. That’s literally as bad as animating a cow with an udder and calling it a “he.” It’s that obviously female. How are we messing this up? Because the default gender of anything is male in this show.
Next, there are some stereotypes and unflattering tropes of women that sneak into the show. In so many movies, television shows, and novels, a woman is often only introduced when she has a romantic relationship with one of the male characters. While there are plenty of male characters who are not in a romantic relationship in media, it is much harder to find a woman who doesn’t at least flirt with a man and have that be a major point of her time on screen. It means that, as humorous as some people might find the Snotlout x Mala (Snala? Snotla? Malout???) dynamics, it’s not the most fun thing to see yet another female character’s role being heavily centered around whether or not she’s in a non-platonic relationship with someone.
Damselstrid happens a little too often for comfort. I know that many Hiccstrid shippers probably enjoy seeing Hiccup and Astrid caring for one another in precarious situations. I do admit that there were some good lines especially in Blindsided. Nevertheless, it is awkward to see the disparity between Astrid saving Hiccup versus Hiccup saving Astrid. This also have been around since forever, but it’s increasingly obvious with S3 and S4.
Astrid will save Hiccup in very short, quick minor moments in combat, such as by blocking enemy fire. But it’s never played up for drama. They’re gone before you know they’ve happened. In the one episode where Hiccup really needed saving because he’s kidnapped, it’s to note that the entire team (Stoick at the forefront) - not Astrid - save him. The other time Hiccup majorly needed saving because he was drowning… he was saved by a dragon. Astrid never gets the big save when Hiccup is most vulnerable.
By contrast, Astrid will constantly be in precarious positions in which she seems more desperate and in greater, longer danger. There have been two episodes dedicated entirely to Astrid being in a helpless situation and Hiccup needing to save her - Buffalord Soldier and Blindsided. Additionally, we can add several more instances of Astrid being in danger, like the very end of Shell Shocked Part 2, or when she’s about to burn up in Out of the Frying Pan. And when she is in these extremely vulnerable situations, we’ll often hear her murmur, “Hiccup.” It’s a suggestion that Hiccup is what is important and Hiccup is what’s going to save her. Even though Astrid is the best warrior of the youths, she is put into far more vulnerable positions than most of the other riders, and Hiccup almost always is the specific individual who gallantly saves her.
I could keep going about how there were also some outdated notions of gender sneaked in the show dialogue, too, but I’ll stop here. Essentially, sexism. It’s definitely in RTTE.
Season 5 Hopes
I don’t have too many thoughts on what I want for season 5 currently. Maybe ask me in a few months. At the moment, all I can think about is that we’re going to have to address that exploding volcano on Dragon’s Edge, and we’re definitely not done with Krogan.
In many ways, the end of S4 is the end of the big plot arc we got starting in S1. Seasons 1 through 4 are a unit, it looks like. It’s the story of Hiccup going against the dragon hunters. That ending has got to be the ending of the plot arc with Ryker and Viggo. So where season 5 turns? It’ll be a little bit of a new direction.
We’ve got some seeds planted with Krogan, I suppose, but really not much to work on. You could almost just completely end the show with S4. We got Hiccstrid together. Viggo, Dagur, and Ryker are no longer threats. The Dragon Eye is no longer around to investigate. It’s just that volcano blast and the fact the creators said there would be more episodes that means this is going to continue.
There’s a weird small part of me that wants Savage to come back. I don’t think they’ll do it, but I suddenly saw potential, and actually relished the small moment of Savage’s return. He had a wonderful return with great motivation. I’m assuming they’re just going to ride him off as inept, and this is the last we see of him. But there’s also a lot of potential for him to try to do something big. But I suspect we won’t see him, that it would detract from other plot stuff they would want to do, and so on and so forth.
So they’re likely going to keep sneaking toward Krogan and stuff with plot development? But how they’re going to do that without interfering with the plotline of HTTYD 2, I am not sure.
I also feel S4 has a lot of logic problems. Like how could Berk be starving when trade ships are block, when in previous seasons they seemed self sufficient? They have sheep, yaks, etc and not to mention gone fishing off their own shores. And they never even gave an explanation on why no one just took a nap during the midnight sun. Also, it’s a yearly event, so why did the teens act like it’s the first time they’ve seen it? Just made no sense to me.
There were many instances in which I caught logic problems, too, like those ones. I could list a few more. It shouldn’t have taken as long as they did to decide that Fishlegs fly Meatlug down to save the Eruptodon egg in “Out of the Frying Pan.” That should have been a five second easy call on Mala’s end. Mala shouldn’t be listening to Hiccup for directions so much when she’s a queen and he’s on her island. More things like that.
As with any interpreting of story events, we can create explanation and structure our understanding of events by logical means. Where a show might not explicitly give us explanation, we can build our own understanding that melds in neatly with the canon material. While I was watching the show, I did come up with more or less plausible explanations for those events you mentioned. These explanations might not be perfect, but they do help wrap things together better.
Berk’s Sufficiency in Dire Straits
Berk not being self-sufficient in “Dire Straits” felt extremely odd to me as well when I first saw it happening. By all accounts, Berk should be self-sufficient, and has been implied to be self-sufficient. But then I remembered: while they do have yaks and sheep and chickens, the primary food source of Berk does appear to be fish. Fish will comprise the highest percentage of their diet.
The traders are too afraid to cross the waters because of the Submaripper’s presence. It’s also to note that the show mentions that the ocean waters are dead quiet - everything has been scared off by the dragon’s presence. This would include fish. If the traders cannot get to Berk, then that means the Submaripper is close enough to Berk to likely scare off the fish in that area. Berk’s fishers would have their nets come up empty because all the fish would have gone. The dragon’s presence would have majorly disrupted the island’s main food supply.
They would still be able to eat food from sheep and chickens and the like, of course, but being as fish is their main staple, this would put an enormous dent in their food supply and ability to keep themselves self-sufficient. Stoick mentions that their stores are getting low - the food they would have procured from before the fish disruption - and I am sure they would be eating their chickens, etc. in the process. But if you eat too much of your livestock too quickly, then you won’t be sufficient in the coming months. The livestock won’t be able to repopulate and keep up its numbers. So you have to ration how many you eat. So Berk’s people would still be eating, but also have to worriedly balance about maintaining livestock population levels for the future. So they wouldn’t be eating as much.
The Longest Day
The people of Berk don’t seem to handle the long hours of sunlight incredibly well, which seems odd if they are natives to the land. Of course this show is playing this all up for humor and fun - we don’t need to pick this apart too thoroughly, because this episode’s sleep deprivation is taking advantage of an opportunity to do so more than anything else. But if we want explanation, we could bring up several things.
The first is that the people of Berk could be sleeping, but maybe not as much as usual because of the hours of daylight. The human body is affected by seasonal changes even for those who are native to those regions. Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) persists when people feel depressed in winter months with the lack of sunlight. So the people of Berk could be on the flip side affected by the long hours of daylight. They might not be getting as good of sleep as they would when the hours of daylight are a bit more normal.
As far as the youths are concerned, Ruffnut and Tuffnut’s conversation at the start sort of implies they’ve seen something like this happen before. It’s not the first time they’ve seen Hooligans go loopy on this day of the year. I also imagine that this year is particularly rough because the youths are living on their own. They’ve been under their parents’ wing in the past. Their families could have helped them manage their sleep during this time of year. But now that they’re on their own living in Dragon’s Edge, they might be a little more reckless and a little less cautious about their sleep levels. So they’re going to get even more antsy and sleep-deprived than normal… hence leading to all their entertaining antics.
Hi there! I'm sorry if this is really random, but what would the Nordics do if they were out with their s/o one day, and they saw a not-good person from their s/o's past? Like a really really bad person that hurt their s/o in some way. (Like a bully, relative, ex-s/o, ex-friend, etc).
It’s not random at all!! I really liked this ask in fact ^^
Norway- if nor saw the person before you he’d casually suggest going somewhere else without telling you so that you wouldn’t panic or freak out. If he saw the person coming towards you two he’d shoot them a warning glare telling them to leave you alone. on the flip side if you saw the person before nor or at the same time as him, he’d immediately escort you to a private place such as a quiet part of the store, outside, or even a bathroom. If you were panicking he’d hold you close despite his dislike for pda, in an attempt to calm you down assuring you the person wouldn’t step anywhere near you. He’d want to talk more with you about it at home if you were okay with it.
Denmark- When den noticed the person from your past he’d become super protective. He’d probably distract you to prevent your discomfort and go tell the person off without mentioning you and tell the person to get lost. Now, if you noticed the person before he did, Den would again be super protective going as far as yelling at the person to walk away and even threatening them. Once the threat of the person was gone, he’d asses you and make sure you were okay, promising nothing bad would come to you as long as he was with you.
Iceland- Ice would debate between telling you or not about the person, but would ultimately warn you of their presence so you could stay on guard as well. If you started panicking at the news, he’d pull you away to a quiet place and comfort you that nothing was going to happen. If you saw the person before Ice, he’d lowkey panic as well but would attempt to remain calm for your sake. Again, he’d pull you away somewhere private and try to calm you down. Afterwards he’d probably ask about your connection to that person if he didn’t know already.
Sweden- there’s only two real words to describe either situation- death glare. He’d intimidate the hell out of this person with a clear sign to leave you alone. Like Norway, he’d casually move you away from the person, but would bring it up afterwards so that you were aware. Same thing if you saw the person first, he’d death glare the person away, and then make sure you were alright. He’d fuss over you and give you a reassuring hug so you knew no one was going to hurt you with him around. If you seemed really affected by this encounter, he’d check up on you the next day.
Finland- when fin saw the person coming your way he’d step in between you two and passive aggressively threaten the person to leave or terrible things would happen to them. If you saw the person before fin he’d reassure you nothing would happen and offer to move somewhere else away from the person. After you two were in a safe environment he’d ask a billion questions are you ok? Who were they? Do i need to shoot them? after he calmed you down and himself as well he’d take you home to cuddle and make you feel protected.
can I use a sigil to make a wifi signal into a protective barrier from negative energies in the home? if so how could I phrase it, and how would I recharge it without doing it myself? it's for a friend who's approved of me trying to do that but I can't visit her often enough to recharge it for her, since she doesn't really work with magick nearly as much as I do. could the wifi itself charge it?
I honestly don’t know. It’s a really cool idea, but not anything I’m familiar with. It seems like it might be more of a warding/shielding thing which I’m not terribly familiar with. I suppose if I were to try it I’d do something like “Anywhere this wifi reaches is protected from negative energies” and draw it on the router or modem or whatever you’ve got there. The constant electricity going through the device and the use of the wifi itself would, I think, keep the sigil charged. I have no idea how well it’ll work, but that’s what I’d do.
Do you sell prints and/or would you be ok with giving me permission to print out one of your artworks for a personal collection? (I have a wall I am decorating with framed pictures of ML artwork by as many of my favorite artists as I can but I want to make sure its ok with you)
If it is for a personal collection, sure, I have no problems. ^-^
Thank you for consider me! Good luck with your project!
So this sorta happened today. My youngest sister, Summer Bloom (IRL sister ponified) stayed home from school cause she wasn’t feeling too good. So she comes into my room and rifles trough my PS2 games and asks if she can play any. I don’t mind her doing so, but if felt like every 5 minutes she was asking me to beat a part for her. Now this wouldn’t be so bad if I wasn’t such a possessive gamer. Once I have the controller, I don’t wanna let go of it. I’d also like for her to learn how to play the system herself as I’ve done when I was little.
It wasn’t a bad time, so you know, but know I’m paranoid as fuck that I’ll get sick. Lmao
i'm so in love with my best friend. we also do things like "making out". we both have feelings for each other but she doesn't want a relationship. i'm ok with that, i'll wait till she's ready for a relationship. but I have the feeling that she really doesn't love me. maybe i love her too much, while she loves me too little... Should I still hope and fight?
I wouldn’t. I would talk to your friend about how they’re making you feel and if they don’t return the feeling then move on.