4x12 a view to a kill

Compulsion, Manipulation and Tricks

Lexi and Stefan in 1x08 162 Candles:

Lexi: Have you had sex yet(with Elena)?

Stefan: No

Lexi: Sex always works.  I mean you’ll rock her world so hard with vamp sex she’ll be yours forever.

Stefan: Yeah, but see this isn’t about sex or compulsion or any of our other tricks.  She has to want to be with me on her own terms.

Lexi:  Wow, that sounded all mature and grown up.

Stefan and Elena were honest and open with each other and did not use tricks with each other.  In countless scenes Stefan and Elena both spoke about the importance of their free will and choice.  In 1x06, Lost Girls:

Elena: The mind control you said Katherine used, did you ever do that to me?

Stefan: No. That necklace contains an herb called vervain. It protects you from being compelled. I wanted to protect you from Damon’s influence but I also wanted to protect you from me. Elena you should never take that necklace off because no matter what happens after today and no matter how you feel about me you’ll know that you were free to make your own choice.

DE on the other hand is based on tricks and dishonesty. Damon compelled Elena as a human several times. In season 4 Damon had the sire bond and continually took advantage of Elena’s lack of agency. Now we see in 5x16 While You Were Sleeping, the writers had Damon and Elena gloss over their problems with sex and in the promos for upcoming episodes it shows more of the same with DE continuing to ignore their toxic relationship with sex.

It’s also reminiscent of what Klaus said to Damon to in 4x12 A View To A Kill:

How is it that she (Elena) manages to overlook every horrific thing you’ve ever done?  Is it willful ignorance or perhaps something more pathological?  Come on there must be a secret.  It can’t just be the sire bond.  What is it?  Compulsion, manipulation…?

Compulsion, manipulation and tricks. These were never part of Stefan and Elena’s relationship.


I’m watching tvd 4x12 “a view to a kill” and I’m on the scene where Damon tells Klaus “if your gonna be bad, be bad with reason, otherwise you’re just not worth forgiving ” and before that he says “I’m bad with reason”
How many people has Damon killed/tried to kill for no reason?!?
Damon is bad by Choice. He chooses to be a big baby, and kill people when he’s sad. And the problem is, he doesn’t even get punished. He gets forgiven and redeemed, regardless all the things he’s done. Thats why I don’t get why kai couldn’t be redeemed. But anyways, Elena only loves Damon because that was Damon’s intention.

To steal Elena away from Stefan, because she looks like Katherine. And he couldn’t stand to see Stefan happy for the first time in forever. So he took that away from him. He’s actually taken a lot of things from Stefan. And that’s sad. How Stefan continues to put up with his crap because he’s his brother. I bet if Stefan wasn’t damons brother, he would have already killed him.

Damon should Start taking his own advice and be bad with reason.