Moon in 8th house
Moon in 10th house
Moon in harsh aspect to Pluto or conjunct Pluto (positive aspects can have more control and understanding of their intensity while harsh aspects may be oblivious to it)
Moon in harsh aspect to Saturn or conjunct( positive aspects may be very sturdy and mature emotionally and more aware of their self deprecation and harsher aspects may be out right grinch’s at times!)
A lot of 12th house action.
A lot of Neptune hitting personal planets!!
Sun/moon/venus/Mars/Mercury/Saturn especially(all in the 12th house)
Heavy 10th house action and even to an extent to much 6th house and 10th or 6th house stellium and Saturn/cap/Virgo dominance can do this.
And lastly Pluto dominance and heavy aspects to Pluto and especially your Pluto making a harsh aspect to your Saturn Natally.
Saturn in the 10th house!! ( can make you very serious about your reputation and success and give you a very stern and serious public image and also make you intensely rigid and standoffish to superficiality and childishness.
Saturn in the 7th which can make you have somber views on relationships and relationships with others and even make you very rigid and serious when it comes to relationships and marriage and might make you a bit cold and aloof as well as attract partners who are like this right back at you. This also goes for Capricorn being here.(I have this) Venus in Capricorn and Venus in the 10th can do this too as well as Venus in aspect to Saturn especially squares which affect self worth and values.
Saturn in the 11th house! (I have this) can make you cynical about friendships or groups or people or any revolution or cause that you see. Might be very lonely and very isolated( via your own choosing) doesn’t relate to others easy and even if other aspects say otherwise you might still struggle forming bonds with people and letting them in and can be a tad depressing and melancholy.
Saturn in the 12th takes the cake. This position can lead to heavy melancholy and overall just dark thoughts and a rigid and narrow minded view of the world and all things spiritual! Foundation isn’t always stable in your eyes and you tend not to trust anything or anyone for to long. You can be self sabotaging and have a hard time with intimate relationships and truly letting people in beyond your face value. Tend to have a dark view of the world and believe that life is a constant up hill battle which at times strips you of both energy and courage to do things.
Lastly Saturn in the 4th! This is a hard position! It can make family life very burdening and strict! The upbringing could’ve been harsh or overly serious and a bit cold and detached. Making the native have a more detached And less familial view on life and may even lead to visible intimacy issues and deep routed dark thoughts on all things related to security and intimacy seeing it as more of a chore then a pleasure.
Pluto in the 1st or Scorpio on the Ascendent or having a water Ascendent in the Decan of Scorpio can make for a intense and dark individual and one whom understands the shadow of human nature and all the things that can arise when to much trust and power is allowed to another. So these people can be quite brooding and intense viewing life and giving of a vibe of darkness and mystery as well as viewing life from a shrouded lens.
Pluto in the 3rd or Scorpio on the 3rd and Mercury conjunct Pluto or in harsh aspect to Mercury can be super intense and have equally all consuming thoughts that range on the taboo and obscure. These people tend to have a dark mind and think of things others wouldn’t dare. Their minds are litturly very intimidating as well as their views.
Pluto in the 5th! These guys can have a dark streak and be attracted to it like a moth to a fire! They have an incredible obsessive competent to their lives and have a dark fascination with things not good for them including gambling! Their likely to have dark addictions and if not have very intense and dark relationship fascinations that border on unhealthy and relationships with children can be tense and deep as well as produce children who are perceptive dark and scorpionic.
Pluto in the 7th this is a dark individual but one whom only really comes out when they are invested with another! These are people whom has a darkness living in their shadow and tend to only showcase this intensity in their relationships they can have dark attractions to taboo relationships be it same gender:different race:different religion:serial killer:boss at work anything you name it. And can have a strong need for self destruction in their relationships that borders on the unconscious. This goes for Venus in the 8th and in Scorpio as well and in aspect to Pluto.
Pluto in the 8th super dark position and tends to make individuals live in the realm of 8th house topics as if it were their home. They are sooooooooooooo brooding and tend to be super super super intense and do not let other in easily they also have a very dark thought process in regards to others and at times can see things dauntingly black or white. Sex can sometimes be used here as a means for control and relationships have a tinge of “what do you want from me really” theme with them.
Pluto in the 12th this one takes the cake for dark thoughts. Their Psyche can be so complex and throughly twisted and filled with knots and ties that the native isn’t aware of. They have a leaky depth about them that comes off in strong energy vibes and they can be some powerful folk but usually try to hide from them selves and Tend to really struggle with dark themes through out life and are always worried about the demon in their closet.
Now for Neptune I’d say strong aspects to Venus/moon/sun/Mars can lead to melancholy thoughts but
Neptune in the houses alone isn’t as jarring as the above mentioned but I’d say Neptune in the 8th house and possibly 7th could lead to harsh feelings towards never getting the ideal that you hope or idealize be it through relationships or the general world you live in! So to compensate you could search for it in people who are malicious and in need of saving! And Neptune in the 8th would be prone to seek this divinity through sexual escapades that may never turkey fufill you!
This goes for Leo Ascendents as well who have Pisces in the 8th house.
Overall this is just an interpretation of aspects that could lead to these types of thoughts or dark feelings Lilth aspecting a lot of personal planets or falling in the 3rd/7th/8th/12th or first can lead to this as well! But that being said nothing in astrology is set in stone and please don’t take this and run with it! You can make the conscious deacon to properly deal with your own energies and problems and you shouldnt use this or astrology as a means to validate bad behavior that you choose to act out or facilitate! These placements are so beautiful and I know people that have a lot of these and they are some of the most influential and deep and strong individuals I’ve ever met and I love them dearly so don’t trip if you have these placements there are just raw interpretations that don’t include other aspects!
can you some mars in the 12th house facts?? thanks
Mars in the 12th house:
-Actions are influenced by the unconscious mind and are often secret or hidden
-Intense feelings(anger,sexual appetite) are usually repressed
-Does the most to avoid conflicts and fights
-Low energy, always tired maybe
-Martian traits are drowned by the 12th house so people don’t usually see you as competitive or assertive type unless Mars is close to the ascendant
-Indirect and Secretive
“There are no bad houses.” - Dane Rudhyar, from “The Astrological Houses”
(taken partly from Dana Gerhardt)
Yes, the 12th house has been referred to as “the valley of miseries,” “the dark den of sorrow and horror,” the “portal of toil,” and the house of “Bad Spirit.”
The fact is, there is karma in this house. Things will happen to people who carry past-life debt. This happens to good and bad people alike. You wronged someone before, they wrong you now. It’s worth noting that this is the house of secret enemies, the evil doers that you don’t even notice or recognize until they’ve already finished their handiwork on you. The 12th house is the house of self undoing, frustration, anger, anxiety, confinement, slavery, sickness, and imprisonment.
There’s good here too. It is a veritable forest filled with the energy of divine unity. This is where the collective unconscious resides. Spiritual transcendence, intuition and compassion come together here to SERVE. It is the only way out of the negative matrix that this house is also capable of presenting. Undo the negative, karmic debt by being of loving service to all. The black and white of this house shows us that both saviors and martyrs live here. You have the ability to go one way or the other: a Ted Bundy or a Mother Teresa? Functions and gifts of the planets that reside in your 12th house and the sign that occupies your 12th house can make you feel shy, insignificant, anonymous - or you could suffer from delusions of grandeur. You could be an easy mark for predators or become a slick predator yourself. All of this can drive you to deception and addiction.
This is the house of things you cannot see. You can find difficulty in dissecting your own 12th house because you cannot accurately see its territory. All of its dangers are invisible to you either because of karma and hidden enemies or the perverted logic of your own subconscious. The 12th house, according to Ptolemy, corresponded to a part of the sky, just above the horizon, where stars were obscured by the “thick, misty exhalations from the moisture of earth.” The 12th house represents a colossal blind spot. When you approach the veiled gates of this house, come armed with a healthy suspicion of your own blind spots. Pay attention to what irritates or frightens you “out there,” because it’s quite likely this lurks in the shadows of your own nature, described by your own 12th house planets or signs.
Consider the case of a 12th house Mars. Mars is the archetypal warrior, representing the ability to set boundaries, be self-assertive, get angry when necessary. People with a 12th house Mars often have difficulty going after what they want. They’re outwardly gentle and agreeable, for the most part lacking Mars’ sharp attacks. You can cross them several times and get no reaction, but one day, someone, possibly you, will receive a full-blown Mars explosion. The 35-year-old computer programmer will disappear and a 2-year-old in tantrum will take his place. But the person acting out won’t know what hit you. He may have sent you vicious emails, vilified your name in the public square, but when it’s time for an apology, he’ll brush it off. To truly regret his actions, his 12th house Mars would have to reach consciousness first.
Our 12th house planets and signs are like children with special needs. They’ve suffered a critical deprivation. In some way our early environment didn’t encourage or support their expression. They may be usurped, denied or shamed by our caretakers. Somehow we got the message they’re unsafe to express. With Mars or Aries in the 12th, I may fear the expression of my competitive drive or deny my selfishness. With Pluto or Scorpio, I may be too embarrassed to reveal my passion, my sexuality, my power. With Mercury or Gemini in the 12th, I may decide to keep my mouth shut. With Uranus or Aquarius in the 12th, I’ll cover up what makes me different, and keep my creative genius under wraps. With Venus there, or Taurus or Libra, I won’t know how beautiful, how sensuous, how artistic or loving I can be.
Whatever the rejected planet or sign, the subconscious awareness of its loss leads to a kind of victim consciousness, a conviction, in fact, that it’s morally right to feel sorry for ourselves. Weren’t we robbed after all? A businessman I know with a 12th house Mars was keenly aware of his inability to be self-assertive: “My mom co-opted all the anger in our house. I didn’t dare cross her. But then I never got to be me.” When he learned he had a reputation among his co-workers for being ruthless and cruel—his shadow Mars—he was actually thrilled. “Doesn’t it bother you that you might really be hurting people?” I asked. There was a momentary confusion in his eyes before they glazed over. Lost in the memories of his past, and unable to fit them with a different picture of his present, he spaced out and forgot my question.
I like the modern view of the 12th simply because I’ve found it more useful and true. From the modern perspective, to redeem 12th house planets, you must first become aware that you have them. The next step is to choose—metaphorically—among the more traditional options: Are you going to put yourself in prison, a mental institution, the hospital, or a monastery? You can pace a prison cell of past mistakes. You can go crazy with frustration or anger. You can lie on a sick bed of wounds. Or you can get on your knees and appeal to a higher power. In this vast inner world, time and space have no meaning. In restructuring your 12th house psyche, you have infinite choices. In imagination, you can, like a young Dalai Lama, roam an inner residence a quarter mile long with a thousand rooms, enjoying this precious incarnation, and taking advantage of centuries of history and learning from vast inner libraries. Whatever your past, shining a light in your 12th can open a field of new possibilities.
When I look at an individual’s chart and see planets in the 12th, “doom” and “misery” aren’t the first words that come to my mind. I rather think that here lies a great gift, in fact, the true wealth of the chart. But it’s like a trust fund. The 12th house individual must come of age first, spiritual age. Ego might greedily appropriate the rest of the chart for its desires, but this house refuses to give up its goods so easily. There will be sacrifice; there will be immaturity, weakness, and whining; there will be a long journey requiring self-awareness, humility, and spiritual responsibility. However long it takes, the 12th house treasure will not disappear. Won perhaps over many lifetimes, it is deep and instinctive. The potential for a wide appreciation of its gifts is also huge.
I’m not alone in thinking this way. Michel Gauquelin, a psychologist who used statistical models to investigate astrology’s accuracy, discovered that while many astrology factors have no relevance, planets in the 12th house did have a strong correlation with an individual’s career success. Mars in the 12th house was often found in the charts of sports figures. Actors, politicians, and journalists showed Jupiter in the 12th; scientists and doctors, Saturn or Mars; painters and musicians, Venus; and writers, the Moon. This finding surprised even astrologers, who typically locate career indicators in the 10th. Contemporary astrologer Maurice Fernandez makes even stronger claims for 12th house planets. According to Fernandez, people who have positions of influence or fame will more often have an emphasized 12th house than a strong 10th. Since the 12th house rules both the collective unconscious and the masses, planets here indicate the potential to tune in to what’s popular and have an effect on a wide audience. They may also bear the burden of mass projection, sacrificing the personal life to become a product or symbol. Think of the different measures of fame the following 12th house Suns have achieved: Ghandi, Madonna, George Bush, and Rodney King.
As with any astrology factor, what really counts is what the individual does with it. I know behind every worried email I get about the 12th, lies someone with great potential for success. Since I’ve come to appreciate the special quality of 12th house planets, the rest of the chart seems to pale. Without question, this house of self-undoing, confinement, and loss is my favorite house in the chart.
I heard that in the 12th issue of Action Comics in 1939, Clark had an associate with him ran over by a reckless driver. Ironically the title of the story is "SUPERMAN DECLARES WAR ON RECKLESS DRIVERS" and you can imagine what that means. Your thoughts on this?
A lot of it works pretty well, especially in the context of the Golden Age version - straightening out roads, scaring drunk and reckless drivers, destroying the cars of a company producing dangerous inferior vehicles, stopping cops from taking bribes, forcing the Mayor to enforce speeding laws - but throw in destroying the impounded cars of traffic violators, and it really does start to feel like he’s throwing his power around at citizens randomly. Probably not one of his better showings.
It is a pleasure to officially announce Hyuroi Week 2016! This week will be a celebration of the relationship between Maes Hughes and Roy Mustang and will be held August 8th thru August 14th. Tag your work #HyuroiWeek2016 and we will happily reblog!
Day 1: Aug 8th - Brotherhood
Day 2: Aug 9th- Photograph
Day 3: Aug 10th- Protect the People I Love
Day 4: Aug 11th- Dreams
Day 5: Aug 12th- Actions Speak Instead of Words
Day 6: Aug 13th- Battlefield
Day 7: Aug 14th- Phone Call
All submissions must be your own work.
Romantic and platonic Hyuroi will both be accepted. NSFW is fine, but must be tagged.
All types of fanwork will be accepted: Art, fanfiction, gifs, fanmixes, etc. Whatever you create for this ship week we want to see it!
This isn’t a competition, no ‘winners’ will be chosen. We’re all winners when there is more Hyuroi in this world and no fan’s work is greater than another’s. Have fun and enjoy!
Dates were chosen to avoid conflict with other ship weeks and also give participants ample time to work with the prompts. Any comments, questions or concerns just ask!