I was thinking… This argument that many SQers don’t like CS and OQ because they get in the way of our ship is so ridiculous.
I’m watching Agents of Shield and my favorite ship there is definitely Skimons/Bioquake. That’s Jemma and Skye/Daisy and they are friends in the show, and they have male LIs and I have very different opinions about them.
Skye/Daisy and Ward: I hate it almost as much as I hate CS
Skye/Daisy and Lincoln: I don’t hate it, I just don’t care about it
Jemma and Fitz: I LOVE them! I can even say I ship them :)
And Supergirl gives me another option! I don’t really ship Kara with anyone, there are ships for her Iike (supercorp and karolsen) but I don’t really ship them. But I hate Karamel. I really hate them.
See? It’s possible to have different opinions about ships that have absolutely nothing to do with your other ships. So I can assure you I hate CS and OQ because I think they’re awful, not because I ship SQ.
pauses, the knife in her hand going still mid-swipe as she cuts up
Clarissa’s chicken. She looks toward Roland in surprise as he stares at
her from across the table, his brown eyes brimming with innocence as he
waits for an answer. She looks over at Robin and sees he’s just as much
thrown off guard by the question as she is.
It’s Henry who finally answers him.
the people who are supposed to take care of you if your parents die,”
he absentmindedly answers as he continues to stealthily text from
beneath the dining table. Regina’s eyes whip toward her elder son,
silently trying to convey her displeasure at his nonchalant tone. Her
reaction goes unnoticed.
“Oh,” said Roland, his eyes going wide
with understanding. Curiosity satisfied, he simply shrugs his shoulders
and goes back to eating his green beans.
His parents, on the other
hand, aren’t left so relaxed. Locking eyes they have an intense silent
conversation that ends with Robin clearing his throat and turning to his
son. “Why do you ask Roland?”
“Because at school Freddy said that he had godparents and I didn’t know what they were,” he answers.
“Oh. Okay,” says Regina nodding her head, still a bit thrown off.
Another moment passes before Roland pops an even heavier question. “Do I have godparents?”
Regina locks eyes with Robin and sees the answer written clear across his face.
And so begins the longest argument they’ve ever had.
So I shouldnt watch OUAT because its practically supergirl with more seasons? Got it 👍 Seriously my tolerance for supergirl is getting lower and lower as every second passes
Yeah, essentially. I quit supergirl because of Man Hell. I just didn’t feel like giving it the benefit of the doubt that I gave OUAT for several seasons longer than it deserved. The show just made me angry every time I tuned in. And I didn’t want to go there with Supergirl.
And you know what pissed me off about OUAT too was that it seemed like as soon as the producers caught wind of the fact that Swan Queen was a huge ship, that was when they started throwing manpenis at both women in the ship. They had to make it hetero, no matter how gross and rushed and unbelievable and unhealthy and toxic the relationships are.
Like I complained about H00k, but let’s take a second to call out Robin Hood, who they made Regina’s (other half of SQ) soulmate and boyfriend in like three episodes. Dude literally thought his wife was dead for years, the love of his life, he starts dating Regina, and then his wife comes back from the dead, long story don’t even ask, and he finds out Regina originally killed her, instead of being enraged with Regina, he whines and whines about how hard it is for him to have to choose between Regina and Marian, when really what he wants is to stay married but still fuck Regina. He literally says to her, I have lived my whole life by a code of ethics, but with you I don’t want to anymore. Then he kisses her even though she told him to leave her alone.
Fucking shit man I didn’t realize I was still this salty.
Sobrevevi o aborto, sofri abuso sexual e apanhei mto da família q cuidava de mim na infância e quando fui morar com a minha "familia" de vdd eles n me tratavam como eu pensei q iria ser e cresci me sentindo um estranho na casa, sou mto inseguro e tenho problemas psiquiátricos oq eu poderia fazer? Fugir de casa?
Seja forte, Deus não iria colocar uma cruz que não iria conseguir carregar, coisas boas estão por vim calme tudo parece ruim mas no fim tudo vai se tornar o melhor confie❤
A parte 1 sumida: eu tinha perguntado pq vc achava q a reforma do ensino médio eh ruim, eu tinha achado top pq dava pra estudar oq vc gosta mais e oq vai ser mais útil pra vc na facul e na profissão real. A minha escola começou esse ano com os currículos de eletivas, aí tem o de exatas/biológicas e o de humanas, aí quem escolhe humanas, por exemplo, tem mais aulas de literatura e com matéria avançada. No de exatas, em física, falaram sobre viagem no tempo...Eu amo essas aulas a mais.
Então. A história de montar currículo seria o ideal……. numa sociedade ideal. Na minha escola particular, ok, talvez real funcionasse. Mas quando a gente pensa em Brasil, a gente tem dois problemas: um é que nem toda escola é uma escola ideal. Dois: vestibular. Eu sei que quando eu estudava tinha professor pra cobrir tudo isso, sabe? eu tive aula de física até física moderna e teoria da relatividade e viagem do tempo e tal inclusive sem essa especificação e sempre sendo de humanas, eu tive aula especial de aprofundamento e debate em n atualidades, eu tinha estrutura pra isso. Mas não é toda escola que tem, e a gente sabe. Falta até professor pra dar as matérias básicas às vezes, cara. Não é uma organização simples. E aí entra o vestibular. Porque tá, você aplica um esquema desses, a galera se vira…. Pra encarar uma fuvest da vida e tomar no cu, porque eles sempre cobram tudo. “Tá, mas aí eventualmente os vestibulares se adaptariam feito de algumas particulares que pesam mais x do que y ou nem tem certas matérias”, um que isso demoraria por motivos de escala, dois que, ainda assim, isso inevitavelmente iria acabar prejudicando (mais) quem vem das escolas sem tanta estrutura pelo motivo 1. Me parece que a gente ia acabar com bastante gente sem ter algum conteúdo. É uma estrutura muito mais complexa de controle.
E outra, na real, não ter história no ensino médio??? at all??? gente, isso emburrece, não importa o quanto as pessoas possam gostar ou não de uma coisa, até porque nem história avançada a gente costuma ver na escola, nem nas escolas boas. Estaria todo mundo berrando se estivessem tirando matemática do currículo obrigatório, então NÉ. E olha que a gente bem que podia ver algumas coisas da matemática como extras avançados (não ela toda lógico plmdds tem que ter aula dela tbm ainda que eu tenha odiado toda vida). Enfim, acho um plano mal pensado, como a maioria, e acho que também vai meio contra o que se tem estudado fazer em países de educação reconhecida como ótima e avançada, que é na verdade diminuir as barreiras entre as matérias e transformar a escola num espaço mais interdisciplinar com todo mundo vendo as coisas conectadas. Me parece um retrocesso.
You know, there really is no need to characterise every other relationship in OUAT as asexual or non-sexual to enjoy last episode's CS moment. There is no need to make CS the "special snowflake" couple who obviously gets it on while there are no mentions of other couples doing it (OQ got some sexy moments, we've seen Belle passed out from sex canonically twice, Snowing has been interrupted in bed, etc). Just... guys, stop bringing everyone else down to prop yourselves up. We're tired.
So, if you bothered to do any research into my blog at all, you would realize that I’ve written quite a bit and reblogged posts about the portrayal of sex and sexuality on Once Upon a Time. My CS pancakes post wasn’t actually intending to bring down other ships. In fact, I’ve been quite critical about how CS has been portrayed sexually for quite some time, falling into the same tropes as the other couples I mentioned. I wrote the pancakes post not because I view CS as being a “special snowflake” couple, but because I was happy that we finally saw a healthy portrayal of a couple having sex that didn’t have incredibly messed up undertones.
And, I think this is something that many of my followers can attest.
Beijei o meu melhor amigo e já ficamos mais algumas vezes depois da primeira vez. Não sei o que sinto por ele e o que ele sente por mim. Somos amigos há 5 anos... O que eu faço?
Essas perguntas eu fico perdido pq olha eu não conheço a personalidade de vcs nem a amizade sabe, aí me perguntar oq vc deve fazer sobre vcs dois amor, e melhor vc conversar calmamente com ele que seria bem mais libertador que qualquer coisa que eu vá falar a você, conversa com ele falo sobre e fala logo pq com o tempo esse sentimento vai pior
Mandem perguntas, Peçam conselhos vou responder geral pra passar o tempo aqui, vamos conversar um pouquinho vai
It’s been 6 years and it still baffles me that OUAT had every opportunity to do something truly amazing and make the birth mom fall in love with the adoptive mom and let them be a happy family and raise their son together, but instead they just decided to go with the most boring hetero romance story that’s been told a million times before and is neither modern nor original.
*A lot of people have come up with this theory, but it’s so perfect I had to write it down.
They say you learn the most from your mistakes. Mine came as I was watching “Murder Most Foul” and Charming said this:
I hadn’t really been paying enough attention to realize that he was talking about the sleeping curse that the Evil Queen had placed on him and Snow, so my mind immediately went to: What other curse needs to be broken? Luckily for me there is another curse that needs to be broken. Many of you know this, but it’s the curse that is keeping everyone in Storybrooke.
What we don’t realize is which part of the curse is still active. It’s not the dark aspects of the Dark Curse - that was broken by Emma as was prophesied/dictated by Rumpelstiltskin. No, it’s the other part that the pesky imp created that is trapping everyone here still.
The Savior curse. Think about it. The only reason Emma Swan is the Savior is because Rumplestiltskin made it so. In theory, Emma was no longer supposed to be the Savior after she broke the Dark Curse. Everyone was supposed to go back to where they were from, but that didn’t happen. Which means what? That portion of the curse, that tiny little drop, is a curse all in itself, and it too needs to be broken. When it is, Emma’s fate as the Savior will be broken; she will live.
Now you ask: But Emma was given the Shears of Destiny or whatever to cut herself from her fate and no longer be the Savior and she didn’t take it!
Well, we know how Rumple’s curse works right? A pair of pretty scissors wouldn’t break this curse because only one person has that power: Emma herself.
We’ve come full circle. Once upon a time Adam and Eddy pitched the idea that the curse would take seven years to fully break. Now we’ve reached that point. Once Emma breaks the Savior curse, Rumple’s spell that he placed on her life will break. Her Hero’s Journey will be complete, and she will return to her life in the real world, where no one needs her to protect them.
(I’ll come back to this in a minute)
So we know what needs to happen. Here I take it a step further and answer:
It turns out that we have that answer too:
Ah yes. True Love. Here’s where I know I’ll lose half of you because “Once Upon a Time is obsessed with Captain Swan. Why can’t you see that, you’re blinding yourself, stop perpetuating nonsense, wake up blah blah blah blah.”
Well, I’m going to counter that with: Why is Emma still the Savior then? If Once Upon a Captain Swan is genuinely the entire point of this show, why is Emma still fated to die?
Answer: You can’t break a curse where you’re the Savior of the fairytale characters with one of the said fairytale characters.
Here you respond again with: “Well, Smartypants, you call yourself a Swan Queen shipper, but you’ve just contradicted yourself. You think the Evil Queen can break the curse with Emma? She’s a fairytale character too!”
Well, reader, you are very clever indeed. But shall I provide you with my next exhibit:
While it was super fun to watch, Split Queen was not just done for the optics. It was a setup for endgame. The Evil Queen may be a fairytale character, but Mayor Regina Mills (like Emma and Henry) is a completely original creation of our world. Which means, like Emma, the daughter of Prince Charming and Snow White, she can live a completely normal life outside of the Enchanted Forest.
I was trying to figure out the purpose behind bringing Wish Robin Hood back, and this line really explains it:
The writers are priming us for a much bigger version of this concept. Robin is the first test of the portal system. Will it allow someone who isn’t supposed to be “real” stay in the “real world”? We know Storybrooke, by our standards, isn’t a real place, it’s a refuge for fairytale characters from many realms, so it makes sense that he passes the test in this case, but what about Regina? Will she, a person who isn’t supposed to be real, be allowed to live somewhere like Boston or New York if Storybrooke doesn’t exist. This first trial proves that yes, she will be able to because something about her is connected to our world (that thing is literally the writers themselves). They have Regina grapple with this issue- Why was wish Robin able to come here?- because she’s next, and she needs to know that she’ll be okay when she tries to stay in this world.
If Regina remains unconnected to the Evil Queen, she should be able to help Emma break the curse and remain in this reality. Will it really be True Love’s Kiss that frees Emma from the Savior Curse and sends everyone to where they belong?
I would hope.
I also hope that I’ll find $2000 on the street tomorrow, but that doesn’t mean it’ll happen.
But it’s certainly the most reasonable solution since literally every curse is broken with True Love’s Kiss…
Have you ever wondered why there’s never been a True Love’s Kiss with Emma & her parents or Emma with Hook? Perhaps part of that is because True Love’s Kiss can only work with people who are from the same reality. Since Regina had True Love’s Kiss with Henry, that means she’s a part of his reality. Part of her belongs in our world. Emma has never shared True Love’s Kiss with Hook because he isn’t a part of her reality. He’s still a fairytale character. They can get married, she can choose that life, but that means she will remain tied to her fate as the Savior. She will always be connected to the Fairytale world. She will eventually die for them.
But if somehow, Regina Mills is Emma’s true True Love; if two “real people” who were created in this world- Emma Swan the bail bonds person, and Regina Mills the Mayor- shared True Love’s Kiss (not saying they’ll make it gay like they should) then the entire curse could be broken.
I just don’t see any other way they could go with this. The show has always foreshadowed that Storybrooke isn’t supposed to last.
We know there’s going to be a “reset” for the show…
And we know that Regina is no longer connected to the Evil Queen. Everything is setting up for the fairytale characters to return to their world.
But what happens next?
A good story always comes full circle, but the hero returns home with more knowledge and is in a better place. Odysseus goes on a crazy journey with a bunch of messed up shit but eventually makes it back home. Dorothy wishes she could experience life over the rainbow, but when she does, she learns that there’s no place like home. Harry Potter steps onto Platform 9 ¾ for the first time alone, and in the last book he steps on with a family. So if in the Pilot we see Emma in her lonely Boston apartment, wishing on a star to no longer be alone, it only makes sense that the last time we see her, she’s in her Boston apartment but she isn’t alone- she has a family.
We know Henry will be a part of that family, but it’s safe to assume that Regina will be there too, because of this promise:
Unfortunately all magic comes with a price, and my prediction is that price will be that everyone forgets that any of this ever happened.
I’m grounding this theory in the fact that the last time there was a reset, that happened to half of the parties involved: Emma and Henry
In that scenario, the Dark Curse was destroyed. The Dark Curse’s purpose was to create Storybrooke, so once it was gone, Emma and Henry forgot that Storybrooke ever existed… But everyone in the Enchanted Forest still remembered Emma and Henry because the Savior Curse still existed- they all remembered the Savior. They were able to go back and get her and recreate the bridge between our worlds because Emma was still the Savior. Once the Savior Curse is gone, everything will be wiped out. Everyone will forget that the Savior existed, and why she existed. All the fairytale characters will return to their world where their stories will play out, and all the characters from our world will begin to lead a normal life.
That life for Emma and Regina could very well be together. It’s not guaranteed, but it would certainly explain why the writers have made an effort to keep Emma and Regina apart in Storybrooke while maintaining a certain amount of tension between them- because their story isn’t meant to play out in Storybrooke. It would also explain why it’s not a topic of conversation for any of the writers or actors- it’s a major plot point, and talking about it would be a spoiler. Lastly, Adam Horowitz said himself that they weren’t queerbaiting:
If they’re planning on having Regina be a part of Emma’s new life free from the Savior curse, then technically this isn’t a lie.
But could they make it so that Emma and Regina’s relationship is merely as platonic co-parents in the real world? Of course. But at the end of the day we would still be right: Swan Queen would still technically be endgame, and it’s still a hell of a lot better than Captain Swan.
Emma’s response in the sneak peek when Regina tells her to stop holding everything in was interesting in itself, but it was similar to other times when she felt put on the spot by Regina about her feelings.
First she avoids Regina’s gaze, frustrated that Regina won’t let it go, she looks caught. Things get really interesting however when Snow blurts out that “Regina is right.”…
…and Emma cannot believe what she hears. Doesn’t that face scream. Indignation and concealed anger? It’s as if she’s saying “How dare you tell me not to hold everything in, considering you are the person I’m doing it for?” Her reaction is all “Are you serious? Are you seriously telling me this?”
…and Snow is oblivious, but Regina has noticed the intensity of the response…