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About Nagato

Sometime I get the feeling, this character is greatly misunderstood, and most probably hated for his 180 degree spin of personality at the end of his first fight with Naruto.

So I hope you don’t mind if I make an analysis of his personality. He’s quite a heavy character.

We all know the kid Nagato was gentle and caring, so much that he buried his parents as a small child (probably no more than 8-10) took a dog by his side, despite he didn’t have what to feed him with, didn’t have the power to steal bread for his own hungry stomach. From this age he was a very just and quite independent individual: he only did what was right (what at that age he was taught was right) and never asked for more help than he needed.

Then he accepted and cherished the other two orphans’ company. Take in account that when he joined he was taught to steal to survive, despite earlier not doing so. And this is a mentality that stuck to him: life is a fight for survival and in order to survive you need to take from others, but not more than needed.

Growing up with this mentality, with Yahiko’s dream of becoming god of Amegakure to stop the war and Jirayia’s ‘parenting’ the original Akatsuki was formed:

All three orphans had a huge spirit of justice rooted inside of them, and Jirayia’s presence gave them the ability to put that justice in place.

At the same time Jirayia helped Nagato define his purpose: protect your friends

follow your dream, no matter where that might lead us.

And he did. He held true to that his whole life.

And it led him to become this man.

This is where the true rant begins, because we all knew the kid Nagato. The adult still is greatly misunderstood. But to get to the adult we needed the child first.

Nagato became god. But not for himself. Yes, he wanted to achieve peace, justice and see the world grow. But it was never his purpose to become god: that was Yahiko’s dream. And Yahiko’s death shattered him in many ways: his best friend was gone, the pillar of his faith and the brother he grew up with (not to mention Nagato might of had a slight man crush on him.) Yahiko needed to become god, but this task was left to him now. So he created Pein. And you need to understand Pein is not him, Nagato. Pein is Yahiko, Pein is a man brought to the ultimate being through him; Pein is absolute. And what Nagato tries to be, not what he thinks he is (although controlling him he is Pein so he is absolute himself) With time Pein became a part of him so that they act similar and yet different.


Canonly Nagato thinks of himself as trash. So to erase his sins, his nothingness, his filth he channeled all that he deemed worthy in Pein, leaving Nagato  (in his opinion) something blank, that didn’t need to exist, but still did, because through it lived Pein. Please also take in account the fact that Nagato was disabled and malnourished, and these disabilities made him think even lesser of himself, because he just lost his independency, now depending on others to take care of him (particularly Konan who he has a very strange relationship with, to be detailed in another rant).

Nagato, to achieve his dream, did became a ruthless person, but that because he cared for those close to him, he acknowledged the fact that the world can’t know peace until people would understand each other completely, and it was pain that connected people. He agreed to shoulder all the world hate on him, by trying to bring pain to others. He deeply understood what war and pain meant and his plan could have worked, and his plan was completely independent from Madara’s. By gaining monopoly over war he would have enslaved the nations, unifying them through pain against him, just the way the fourth Shinobi war did. He was ready to shoulder all of the world’s hate upon himself, until they’ll come before him and understand what he did, because pain connected them now. And even then peace could not be achieved, but for a short period at least people would understand his reasons, his resolve.

And I deem completely admirable that he didn’t give up, despite of his dual, quite unstable personality, of his disability, of having little support in this and knowing he was a criminal. But sacrifices needed to be made in order to survive and to achieve something.

He created the new Akatsuki, only consisted of S-rank criminals. Why? Because only someone of his caliber could understand him and his motives and would join him in his cause. He only chose unique, said to be monstrous, skilled and homeless shinobies around him, not only giving them a purpose, but also a place where they could connect: giving the monster a human side. He could of chosen the new Akatsuki from Ame, he didn’t. Because it was pain that they needed to share.

And now to get to the most disturbng thin in his personality: his ending, his talk to Naruto. It was all for plot sake and to give Naruto the great preacher award again. Nagato isn’t a weak individual; he went through far too much to give up to the words of a boy who was the student of his mentor. A mentor he ended killing to achieve his dream. He would have stopped there if if he was weak hearted. He didn’t. he lost a Path that day, but proceeded to achieve his goal. It hurts me to talk about this moment of his existence, especially because half of his speech showed no sign of wanting to change in front of Naruto. It was definitely bad writing, but I’d still like to give a fan theory about why he could have changed then. No, this won’t give him an excuse for what he did.

Nagato was gentle, but not naive, and he didn’t give up easily. He was gentle when he wished to, to people he cared for. (Konan there is a special case, he wanted to keep her safe thinking she was still the girl who got captured and because of that Yahiko died; it’s a thing that’s constantly on his mind)

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An example of Nagato in a good mood: relaxed, smiling, and talking freely.

In that last scene Nagato was far from that; he was tense and angered, oh and tired. Tired because of lack of chakra and because the world around him started falling around him again: Akatsuki numbered only a few members now. And I think the fight with the Nine Tails for Nagato was the all of nothing type of fight: if he won his plan was complete and deserved to be continued; if he lost he needed to die. Why? Because one of the members he cared most for and could of related most to died, around the time he killed Jirayia too, his beloved mentor. So yes, it was a double blow for him, and it was a pain he could no longer stand: the feeling of an empty world. Also, after Itachi’s death he most probably met Sasuke to welcome him in Akatsuki, along with team Taka, so he personally met with Naruto’s McGuffin and the brother Itachi gave his life up for, also seeding in this boy his ideals (which were left clear in the later chapters of the manga). So he had a successor, a potent successor. But Sasuke was naive, unlike him. Naruto somehow strengthened his faith that there might be no need for him, because there were others with his ideals to continue his journey, when he couldn’t go forth anymore. Nagato was broken beyond anything that day, and he just needed a reason to let go of everything, also leaving with a high note this earth.

The edo tensei Nagato is better explained here.

Stop trying to justify Neji's death you only make it worse

I’ll tell y’all now I also believe that Neji’s death was unnecessary, there could have been other actions used if he wanted to bond NaruHina


You’ve just answered your questions from your previous posts your self. People are pissed because Neji’s death was unnecessary. If there have been 50 other ways for naruhina to happen, Kishimoto could’ve chosen those. He instead chose the one most illogical and into-your-faces-road to naruhina. And you are still asking why people don’t like this? Do you think people are happy about Jiraya, Kushina and Minato, Itachi dying? No frigging way they are. Even though their deaths moved the story forward in the tragic aspect, there was enough death in the whole plot and I would’ve preffered to see a plot-device being used to rather finally show something pro-life. Aka. Characters living for the better cause, not constantly dying for each other. ALSO……. Minato/Kushina/Jirayia/Itachi died for A HUGE CHUNK OF THE MAIN PLOT TO MOVE AND BECOME SIGNIFICANTLY DEEP. THEIR DEEDS PULLED THE BEST OUT OF THE INVOLVED CHARACTERS WHILE NEJI’S DEATH WAS SIGNIFICANT ONLY AS A PAIRING THING - NH STILL NEEDS A FULL MOVIE TO GET EXPLAINED- AND CAST A SHADOW ON THE ENTIRE THING MAKING IT SEEM RATHER HORRIBLE. Nothing good came out of this. Why did NAruto’s friend need to be killed in order for him to open his eyes when he was basically standing in a field of corpses of ninjas from various countries? Were they less important people? Even though he claimed to be one big ninja family? Do you see what Kishi did there? There was enough space to bring this topic out from Obito’s side without getting Neji killed. He only needed to shout out to Naruto to look around him properly….that was a lot easier way to make him understand.

People are in the RIGHT to be pissed and displeased with Kishimoto’s choice, since there have been tons of other things he could’ve done, THINGS THAT WOULD’VE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PLOT A LOT MORE THAN NEJI’S DEATH AND CHEAP WAY HOW TO PUSH HINATA’S BACK INTO NARUTO’S ARMS. Hinata her self did not contribute to the story as much as Neji did, yet, Kishimoto chose to kill HIM (not saying I want a dead Hinata, but his choice doesn’t make much sense to me). Neji is the ONLY rookie who died in the war, even though he was at death’s door before - in fight with Kidoumaru. His backstory was about becoming free and choosing your life - but instead he chose his death - just like his father, signalling, that the Hyuuga branch house can be truly free only in death. With him dying, we didn’t get much closure on the Hyuuga. Hiashi failed to protect the only thing left by his brother who sacrificed his life. Hinata’s speech after him dying was cool but mentioning Naruto’s big warm hand was out of place and downright atrocious and made her look like a cold girl. This also trampeled all over Neji’s dignity as a character, as he’s become a sacrificial lamb for a ship. Which also cast a shadow over the ship (NH)it self - how can anyone in the NH fandom be happy about this and try to justify this crap??? Are your hearts made out of stone or what? If you summarize all of this - Neji’s death brought only a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge avalanche of NEGATIVITY spreading like a disease through the last chapters,, naruhina, the characters, and the movie.

People aren’t stupid, they do get what happened and for what purpose - but it was cheap, stupid and waltzed over character’s dignity. If there has been a way how to make naruhina work without all this negativity, I would’ve loved to see that route, even as a narusaku fan.

Naruhina month day 18-Stargazing by Fran48

This is my submission for day 18 of the Naruhina month challenge http://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoing?http://frances048.tumblr.com/post/136328923728/naruhinamonth-here-they-are-the-official
Inspiration from this drawing came from images of stargazing from the internet as well as The lion king http://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1bWSYG3zgo


as I feel that although many of the people that inspired Naruto and Hinata have passed away, they are still watching over them..and would be proud of them :)
I was listening to this song when coming up with inspiration for it http://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpyoeaR9wbs


I drew this In ms paint- this took me 3 days to complete ;w;..