Have your thoughts on A Siilent Voice changed since you've seen it again?

Yeah I actually think it's worse ahahahah

As I couldn't be there last night, curious as to your Classic Who reactions. I grew up with it, and it's one of those comfort things for me, and there are some great characters, but I don't know that I would be able to get past the flaws of I didn't have the nostalgia glasses. It is, ultimately, a show created for kids to watch with their families and provide a modicum of educational content. And it shows, especially in Classic.

I do not mind my blorbo of a show being ripped apart -- my children do it all the time, with great specificity and knowledge of writing mechanics and structure. The pacing, in particular, has elicited numerous lectures in our house.

Yeah, we watched the Mind Robber, and it was, to people named Doc who are me, not very good. The pacing was extremely, i mean not even slow, but it was all over the place and the conclusion didn't seem to have any larger idea behind it. It was basically a schlocky sci-fi story from "Gee Whiz A Robot" magazine or whatever from the 60s.

And some of that can, of course, be chalked up to the time it was written in, but even earlier than this TZ was putting out sci-fi stuff that is dated now, admittedly, but still excellent--The Monsters are Due on Maple Street was written nearly ten years before this episode. And there are others stories and shows that were putting out stuff with much more thoughtful plotting and a shred of symbolism.

Apparently the whole idea of watching it was that it was meta, but, I don't think that's a definition I would support. Sure, i guess it's fictional characters going into a world where Gulliver is real, but there's no acknowledgement of their own fictionality, no discussion about the nature of writing and what it means to be real, nothing about what an author can do vs should do, even though everything I brought up above COULD have gone into the episode. So, I wouldn't be like "It's SO meta" naw, I think anyone seeking that would be disappointed in a story where one of the cliffhangers is our companions getting pressed into a book like some fucking violets.

I WILL say, for all of its flaws, I found this much much less irritating than that Goddamn Vincent Van Gogh episode, and I think it's because the show wasn't looking at me and going "I'm so clever. This is so meaningful" like it was in the Vincent one. I also hate the bowtie guy way more than this old guy. He's smug and aggravating, while I sort of loved how this guy seemed in over his fucking head and muddled half the time.

Anyway, I know DW is a show that ignites great passions, and I love that for people, but I've never seen an episode of it that made me "get it"

As I couldn't be there last night, curious as to your Classic Who reactions. I grew up with it, and it's one of those comfort things for me, and there are some great characters, but I don't know that I would be able to get past the flaws of I didn't have the nostalgia glasses. It is, ultimately, a show created for kids to watch with their families and provide a modicum of educational content. And it shows, especially in Classic.

I do not mind my blorbo of a show being ripped apart -- my children do it all the time, with great specificity and knowledge of writing mechanics and structure. The pacing, in particular, has elicited numerous lectures in our house.

Yeah, we watched the Mind Robber, and it was, to people named Doc who are me, not very good. The pacing was extremely, i mean not even slow, but it was all over the place and the conclusion didn't seem to have any larger idea behind it. It was basically a schlocky sci-fi story from "Gee Whiz A Robot" magazine or whatever from the 60s.

And some of that can, of course, be chalked up to the time it was written in, but even earlier than this TZ was putting out sci-fi stuff that is dated now, admittedly, but still excellent--The Monsters are Due on Maple Street was written nearly ten years before this episode. And there are others stories and shows that were putting out stuff with much more thoughtful plotting and a shred of symbolism.

Apparently the whole idea of watching it was that it was meta, but, I don't think that's a definition I would support. Sure, i guess it's fictional characters going into a world where Gulliver is real, but there's no acknowledgement of their own fictionality, no discussion about the nature of writing and what it means to be real, nothing about what an author can do vs should do, even though everything I brought up above COULD have gone into the episode. So, I wouldn't be like "It's SO meta" naw, I think anyone seeking that would be disappointed in a story where one of the cliffhangers is our companions getting pressed into a book like some fucking violets.

I WILL say, for all of its flaws, I found this much much less irritating than that Goddamn Vincent Van Gogh episode, and I think it's because the show wasn't looking at me and going "I'm so clever. This is so meaningful" like it was in the Vincent one. I also hate the bowtie guy way more than this old guy. He's smug and aggravating, while I sort of loved how this guy seemed in over his fucking head and muddled half the time.

Anyway, I know DW is a show that ignites great passions, and I love that for people, but I've never seen an episode of it that made me "get it"

I always thought that Meowth backstory was sadder than it actually was despite has having seen the episode before, I guess when you're a kid you have a different viewpoint of "sad backstory" lol.

I maintain I was actively gaslit by the people of tumblr into believing there was active tragedy involved in all this instead of a horny cat.

Thoughts on Paranoia Agent?

Thought it was fucking great, would relish the opportunity to liveblog it if time allowed

For the people that are interested and didn't see the stream (me), what was your opinion of Pokemon?

At the risk of being murdered, it was a very standard children's show made to sell toys. But I do appreciate that many people enjoyed those toys, and the half hour long commercial that accompanied them.

CATCH EM ALL!

Serenity Malfoy And The Hogwarts Education a crossover/fusion fic where Usagi/Serenity is reincarnate as a child of the Malfoys, thoughts on such a premise?

This sounds like everything I hated about tumblr fandom when I came online in 2015ish. 2/10, would not recommend.

Man Ray must have had a lot of internalized guilt for him to resort with that method last stream.

Burning himself? No, I think that has between jack and shit to do with it. I think it was pretty firmly based in, "I may have to die, but I don't have to die for your pleasure" which I find valid as hell, but I don't buy as an expression of guilt.

Re: Promised Neverland stream. Do you think Isabella loves the kids, as she claims?

I suppose, in the way that a shepherd can love a sheep.

And I don't mean that as a dramatic way to say no, I mean that the relationship between livestock and the tender can be complicated, sometimes. You can raise chickens, and love them and care about their welfare, but when they stop laying, it's time to be stew. We accept things that are part of our life's bargain. But it doesn't mean you don't shelter your chickens from cold or enjoying feeding them and petting them.

I mean, do I think it's the same as the way I love Midge, no, I do not. I don't think she loves them in a way I would consider maternal. But I do think she loves them in some way, and I do understand the appeal to her of what she says about them living really quite blissful lives up until the moment they die. I mean, what is life if not a series of Faustian bargains?

Which doesn't mean I excuse her or am impressed by her! I understand why some Jews became Kapo, but there is also a reason it is a particularly potent insult within the Jewish community. People who save themselves by betraying their own are not the sort of people I really give a shit about. I hope terrible things happen to Isabelle! She's worse than a shepherd, because she herself was one of these children raised for the slaughter, and I am not one of the people that believes that the inability to stop something by your own individual action relieves you of the moral responsibility not to participate. You don't have to be a part of it. I can understand her desire to save herself without excusing it.

So what was the worst show of the multi-livestream you had to watch yesterday?

It was today, but probably The Secret Life of the American Teenager. It was not just banal, it was PREACHY, and it reminded me utterly of how those ABC/FREEFORM shows basically always punched above their weight class and so ended up being very After School Special.

Ghost stories was racist* and cheaply vulgar and funny exactly twice, Goblin Slayer was boring and reminded me of why I avoided fantasy rpgs and was not wrong to do so, Kim Possible was so obviously brain empty content for children that I can barely remember what happened, but only SLotAT was bad enough that I closed it out with "I will never ever watch that again" and I fucking mean it. It cannot be nominated for Holligay hates. It cannot be commissioned

*and not racist as in tumblr level "I did not love every single thing done with this character" but I mean literally playing "I can't be with you because you're black" and "Mexicans take white people's jobs" played as a joke