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PDA Pythons

@pdapythons / pdapythons.tumblr.com

I've left the keeping side of the hobby now. taking a long hiatus from herps. still happy to share what ive learnt over the last 15 years with those who want to ask.
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internet search tips on how i sift through junk or mischaracterizing content when looking up visual animal references:

  • Use the scientific name instead of common name for less false ID (especially if you want to see real wolverines or jaguars instead of the x-men or car maker)
  • Instead of “baby“, try “juvenile” or a more species specific term (bird=chick, bovid=calf, carnivoran=cub, etc..)
  • If it’s a rarer animal without many results try searching its name in a native language, it’s usually on wikipedia
  • Search the scientific name in inaturalist for multiple party verified ID sightings with locations
  • Searching “skeletal” in place of “skeleton” gives different results and usually less products
  • try adding “zoo” to your search if you want to look at over-exploited viral species like otters, foxes, primates, or exotic cats. there can still be shady zoos but it weeds out videos of animals in people’s living rooms
  • Add “vet” if you’re searching for reference on how large/small an animal looks next to a human instead of exotic pet vids. vets and zoos can be very fond of sharing educational pics of an anesthetized animal’s cool features or a huge paw/teeth besides a human hand. vet visits for beloved zoo animals also tend to draw the media so there’s many articles written for them and in general i just love learning about weird vet procedures on exotic animals, 10/10 rabbit hole.
  • “Morph” or “mutation” tends to give you more legit resources on animal variations instead of photoshop edits.
  • Even though i know there’s a difference I also find that searching “leucistic” just gives you less fake stuff than the more commonly known albino or “white___” unless its a very common mutation. same with “dilute” instead of blue and such.

>out by the manure pile where the chipmunk/rat trap is dispatching of a bouquet

>hear a noise from the trap

>oh fucking sick i caught another one

>avenging my poor strawberries

>look

>no chipmunk

>no rat

>two snakes

>two snakes in the trap

>two snakes in the trap having sex

I am so, so sure you guys could have found somewhere else to do this

Actually that looks more like male combat.

The bodies are wrapped tight and one is biting the other.

Snake sex is much more relaxed they will align their bodies next to each other with minimal coiling.

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Remember last year how Toro was too horny and broke his dick?

Well now he was too horny again and broke his face.

Two surgeries now, for being a horrible horny man!!!!!!!!! Male reptiles are seriously the worst. Wish this awful snake luck, he’s getting his ugly, swollen face fixed today.

Chironius carinatus

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Well I have annoying news! The abscess filled back up, and now it has evolved into an open wound on the inside of his mouth. So I took him back to the vet, he expressed more pus out, and we got an additional antibiotic to flush the wound/abscess out every day with. We’re also adding Amikacin injections to the mix in hopes it’ll have a synergistic effect with the Fortaz injections! Phew that’s a lot. Let’s hope this works. Good thoughts for Toro!

I’m going to add GRAPHIC PHOTOS below of the cut because I find this stuff fascinating, and posts/pictures exactly like this have helped me when I have weird stuff pop up. I’ve frankly never seen gums peel away from the face like this. Like. It’s straight up obscene. You’ve been warned.

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I have GOOD news this time! It’s one week later and he shows significant improvement. Graphic photos under the cut once again.

I’m adding to this because y’all gonna learn some shit about housing your pets.

Someone make more I love this new meme.

I know that huge homes are great for pets but also did it fucking occur to you that some people don’t have the room or money for those?

hey, guess what. those are all minimum requirements. actually, the person who added onto my post even made the bird cage still TOO small for those birds.

and if you dont have the money or the space for those pets, don’t fucking get the pet.

☝️☝️👌👍

YouTube is free, people. All the fun of having a pet without any of the responsibilities.

why did we ever stop the flower crown edit trend? it was so pure? why does cringe-culture ruin everything fun? there is literally nothing bad about putting flower crowns on photos of people, they’re just flowers

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It was the serial killer fandoms fault

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Look if you just give up on memes because hannibal fandom got hold of them than you didn’t deserve the memes in the first place.

No, no. They mean real serial killers. A bunch of blogs made flower crown edits of dylan roof and the Columbine killers.

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…this really is a website, huh.

Foster parent in my work’s facebook group: can you recommend a good vegetarian diet? I don’t want to take so many lives to feed my dog.

Me, only more politely: No. I don’t think any have done feeding trials which means your pet is their experiment. Next time don’t get a predator for a pet.

Why. Why do people get carnivorous pets and then want to feed them plants because of their personal dietary decisions? No. If you don’t want to feed meat to a predator, don’t get a predator. End of.

KEEP YOUR CATS INSIDE.

it’s no longer acceptable to pretend like you haven’t seen the various studies on why it’s not only harmful to your cat to live outside, but to many native animals. keep your cat inside, or leave it outside and know that you are leaving your cat vulnerable to attacks, disease, car strikes and more, and that your cat is killing off vulnerable native animals.

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Really started to rethink my decision to take both of them outside for photos at the same time lol. Jocelyn decided she had places to be and made things difficult, but Ace was good.

Leiopython albertisii

This is the standard of keeping ball pythons. Its the most common technique, and it IS widly spread.

We can do better than this. This kind of stuff doesnt allow for a range of natural behaviors. It makes us look like animal abusers. Yes, the animals survive, but they cannot thrive in this setting. There’s literally not enough room for even one of them to stretch all the way out.

We can do better. We have to do better because this isn’t good for the animals health wise, or even mentally. It also gives HSUS and PETA more grounds to ban reptiles as pets.

Enrichment provides animals with an outlet for natural behaviors and promotes healthy animals. There are tons of studies on the benefits of enrichment- it’s not an extra step- it’s necessary for the good of the animal and is part of proper husbandry.

Dont be like this picture; dare to do more.

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Do remember that ball pythons in particular are largely sedentary and would prefer to be holed up in a small, closed, dark place. I don’t think size is the issue here. I’ve never used newspaper as substrate but I have used paper towel and I feel like it’s more of a pain than something like reptichip. Odors/soils quickly. I can’t give an input on whether it’s actually harmful though because I’ve never used it but I notice my reptichip always smelling much more fresh. Idk sitting in ammonia can’t be good! Even if you change the newspaper daily, chances are you’re not going to get to it as soon as the snake urinates… I would assume that might cause health issues. Again though, I’m not certain, just speculating lol.

Other species, like carpet pythons, I really don’t like tubs for. Using carpets as an example, those guys are active and move a lot and will make full use of the space provided to them. Balls really won’t.

IMO it’s subjective like that. I’d like to see more enrichment in tubs overall (substrate, perhaps a hide just in case, maybe foliage) and I’ve been doing that myself but I wonder if it’s more for me than it is for the BP lol. I dunno! I like this conversation though, so please do interject, we all might learn something.

Ball pythons have got themselves this reputation as being “pet rocks” in the hobby partly because of the persistent myths that they only live in termite burrows which they never leave in the wild. However, they are quite active at certain times of the year (breeding season) and males in particular are documented climbers, feeding off avian prey and even having very different parasite burdens in the wild compared to females because of this.  Of course, ball pythons are also nocturnal. So even given the opportunity to make use of space and climbing things in captivity they often won’t be doing it at when the keeper is watching them. Reinforcing this idea that they “don’t do anything”. 

Rack systems like the one in the picture are popular because they save money, time and space for the keeper when compared to setting them all up in fully furnished vivariums or large tubs. Giving them more space would address the concerns with them sitting in ammonia… If an animal does not have the ability to move away from its own waste that should be alarm bells that the enclosure is definatly not big enough (Though I know snakes love to sit ontop of it for no reason sometimes but at least they should have the option to be sensible). 

But  the issue is not JUST space because ball pythons are such a shy secretive species giving them more space also means they need proportionally more hides and visual barriers ect to feel secure… just scaling this tub up and saying “ta da- now you have more space” won’t work. So if you have a larger number of snakes…. That just starts to add up to a LOT of cleaning, a lot of space required and a large expense. 

The ball python industry wants to hold on to the outdated opinion that ball pythons “are scared of space, never move, and thrive in tiny barren tubs - Just add water!” because it’s how they turn profits… They also promote it to new people getting in to the hobby because otherwise that would be admitting they are not doing the best they can… This is also why its not something thats disscussed rationally in facebook groups either. It angers/upsets people that are in too deep to change their ways without going to huge extra costs or dramatically reducing the numbers of animals they have to make room for fewer better enclosures… So they would rather deny any is wrong to avoid that .. The argument also gets wrapped up with irrelavent details or oversimplified to “tanks vs tubs”… or “vivs vs tubs”.. or “naturalistic  looking vs non naturalistic looking”… 

At the end of the day this is an issue about good husbandy, good enclosure design and good animal welfare..which is not always cheap, nor is it always good for “productivity”. The truth of it is that there is NO scientific studies confirming that small barren tubs allow snakes to thrive and PLENTY of evidence that environmental enrichment is beneficial for their welfare. Restricting stimuli captive animals are exposed to is not good for their physical and psychological well-being and can negativly impact behavioural expression,neural development, learning ability, activity levels and even lead to chornic stress, immunosuppression and thus increased disease susceptibility. 

Ball pythons are victims of their own hardiness and adaptability…they may not show stress or appear to suffer when kept like this as much as a more active colubrid might…. But that still doesn’t make it an acceptable standard. They still eat, shed, poop and breed, which is all well and good, but not necessarily an indicator of good welfare.

It also sets a worrying trend for how the hobby itself measures and assesses reptile welfare and quality of life…. Already the model of  “ if it eats, poops, sheds and breeds then its thriving” has spread and is applied to keeping other more active species… I’ve seen arboreal asian colubrids in the same 6″ high tubs with no climbing stuff, even etbs, gtps, atbs, kept in similar barren set ups…..retics and other large constrictors in boxes they can not even stretch out half their length in ect ect…unless they drop dead or rub their faces off in stress the individual animal or even the whole species, will get the stamp of approval for “doing fine in a tub!”.  

This is not how animal welfare scientistis assess welfare. And as @wheremyscalesslither  mentioned when our hobby is under attack from animal rights groups we have GOT to do better… and promote husbandry based on science. 

TL: DR,  You said you made the effort to provide some enrichment yourself. Rest assured it is not just for you, and will absolutley benefit your animals! If you are interested to read more about it I also have an article on it here 

i know i seriously just reblogged this a minute ago but it is SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT that im doing it again.

Recently there was a documentary aired in on the ‘UKs Tiger Kings’ or something. I’ve not watched it yet but one of the episodes features a snake keeper with far too many animals in rack em and stack em style housing. Many of the reptile group’s I’m in are freaking out about the damage it will do to the perception of reptile keeping… something really has to change.

I'm all for racks and tubs BUT GOOD GOD.

The animals still need.

-room to move about and strech .

- proper ventilation to prevent amonia build up.

- actuall "hides" within the enclosure.

- a thermal gradient for self regulation.

If you are going to tub or rack

Make sure your tubs are big enough to accommodate ALL of the above.