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So yeah most of lore Olympus is bad... but something that really just.. pisses me off is how Hera is framed as making the wrong decision by choosing to marry zeus instead of hades. Like hades and hera relationship is brought up constantly with the framing that hera made the wrong choice.

Like there is only a few passing comments on how zeus was better when they where younger, but he is still shown to be an asshole in universe even in earlier in the timeline. So the whole time Heras choice is undermined.

Which sucks cause one of my favorite scenes in this whole shitty story is when heras scars first open up. She has a nightmare and wakes up screaming and Zeus immediately rushes to her room and comforts her. It's one of the few moments where Zeus is shown to not be an asshole. It would have been great if Zeus was framed in even the slightly complex light and we get more of these moment.

Like showing zeus being incredibly in tune to Heras needs, and while disagreeing with the large scale things he does a bunch of small things that show he is still a good husband. Like that scene that shows no one else can make the tea like Hera does... but have Zeus be able to make it.

Instead of Zeus just being an asshole and framing hera as wrong for marrying him.. cause god forbid a women not be interested in hades and be able to be interested in a man that isn't frame as the "wrong" option.

All of this, but it also sets up a few points:

  • It undermines the Hades and Persephone romance by framing Hera as the “one who got away” which combined with how it keeps hammering home Persephone is the “new Hera” just makes it seem Hades Is just replacing her with Persephone, the younger, more beautiful, more powerful, more eager to please version of Hera. It’s a win/win for him, a lose/lose for Hera.
  • Hera, ultimately, can’t have a happy ending, because of course Persephone can’t not marry Hades and have his babies, so Hera is just left with nothing? Even if she leaves Zeus, she still can’t have Hades, so she’s left with someone she doesn’t want? Or alone? Always longing for someone she regrets not choosing? Rachel wanted to be like “look how desirable Hades is!” but it not only made them both hypocritical jerks, it also made sure Hera loses in any situation while Hades gets everything he wants. He gets his happy ending, Hera can’t.
  • Any sort of mother/daughter or mentor relationship Hera could have had to her is completely butchered to instead be several layers of Hera basically grooming Persephone to be his “perfect bride” and, because Persephone is desperate to please her, won’t question it and goes along with it because it not only gets Hera’s approval, it makes Hades pay attention to her. This is horrifying.
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So I have a question is hades telling Persephone his trauma with kronos trauma dumping? I see this word tossed around alot I just want to know if this was an example

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It depends on which scene. If you're talking about the one early in S2 where Hades shares what happened to him with Persephone, that one's kind of a combination of lovebombing and trauma dumping + trauma bonding. And the reason I say that is because he basically takes away Persephone's moment to be vulnerable and talk about her own trauma and turns it into something about himself. Which he does a LOT in LO.

Like, this all happens after she's JUST revealed her side of the Act of Wrath and the events that led up to it (particularly involving her childhood) and Hades segues it into talking about himself.

Of course, that's after he shows her the tape of HER memories that he got without HER consent.

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But of course Persephone's fine with it because she's not allowed to realize that her future husband might be a creep.

Anyways, it does seem like Hades is trying to "repay" Persephone for telling him her backstory, but that just doesn't work all that well here because it just comes across as insensitive. She's barely had any of her own time to reflect on the events that occurred VERY recently (though the timeline is unclear, know that Persephone was 19 when she moved to Olympus and the Act of Wrath had to have happened shortly before because she was clearly a young adult) and now she has to sit through listening to his baggage from 2000 years ago.

Like, this man has had two thousand years to talk to someone about this. But of course, it's the pink cinnamon roll girl that he met at a party and has known for TWO WEEKS who gets him monologuing about himself and trauma dumping.

And it's trying so hard to be painted as romantic, but really, it's just another case of Hades love-bombing Persephone.

This kind of dialogue is used in romance novels a lot but when you actually condense the timeline and understand that this 40+ year old man has only known this 19/20 year old girl for two weeks, it comes across as less romantic and more like he's just manipulating her. This is a VERY common tactic used by abusers and groomers (*note: this is a blanket statement that does not apply to all relationships) where they'll make the victim believe that they're just that special, that important to them, that they would tell them things they've "never told anyone before." Maybe this would happen in a relationship between two people that's been going on for a while, but someone you've only known for two weeks and you're still trying to get with? It's a bit more of a red flag there.

Meanwhile I'm staring at LO like, you're trying to convince me this man has never talked about his trauma ONCE? Not even with Hera, who he HASN'T EVEN TOLD PERSEPHONE HE'S BEEN IN A LONG-TERM AFFAIR WITH? Never mind the fact that he wasn't the only one who went through what he did, you're telling me he's never talked about it to anyone, in 2000 years? That's a load of baloney. The man needs a therapist, not a girlfriend.

And this isn't the only time Hades uses his trauma as a way to either trauma bond with Persephone OR to make excuses for his own actions. I can think of no better example than when Persephone finds out about his affair with Hera.

He makes the topic about Hera and her trauma. She does not know Hades is talking about this. She hasn't given him consent to tell Persephone about this. Hades is saying ALL this to get to the final point of: "I was in an affair with Hera because Hera and I were both traumatized and Zeus just couldn't understand that." (never mind the fact that Hades is also dismissing everything Zeus went through here just because Zeus doesn't have physical scars like Hera and Hades do, which is... ick.)

And then he goes off even MORE about his experience being sentenced down to the Underworld and eating the pomegranate and yadda yadda yadda the man literally will not shut up. Persephone at this point has opened up to him about her trauma once across the course of like, two episodes (and he doesn't even know about the SA yet!) and meanwhile Hades gets MULTIPLE episodes to talk about how sad and lonely he's been his whole life.

(he also thinks therapy is pointless because of course he does:)

He doesn't take any real accountability here for his actions. He doesn't take accountability for lying to Persephone about his affair with Hera. He doesn't take accountability for lying to Zeus - her husband and his BROTHER - about the affair for centuries, and he still doesn't know. And this is one of the first signs (chronologically) that Hades makes it a habit to form his relationships off trauma bonding and love-bombing.

(I'm so sad for Minthe here now in hindsight because she's literally telling Persephone that Hades is a chronic love-bomber but then she never connects that she should stop fighting with Persephone over Hades because of this. Like in any other comic, Minthe would be warning Persephone, not trying to get Persephone out of the picture so she can get Hades back.)

So yes, I would say Hades is absolutely trauma-dumping when you take into account the fact that he seems to be using it as a form of love-bombing and trauma bonding, and the fact that the comic spends way more time justifying his horrible actions through his trauma, while Persephone's trauma which is an ACTIVE PLOT POINT in her character arc and the comic, gets shoved off to the wayside so it can take a backseat to Hades' 2000 year old baggage. Screw what the women are going through, the man's talking.

That said, don't get me wrong, Persephone's still a horrible person who uses her trauma as an excuse for her actions too, but that's for another post.

In the meantime, have this great video about love bombing:

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LO's Titanomacy Timeline is Confusing

Here's a timeline made by one of the people in the discord, Kris. (@lorewritesandcrique is their tumblr account)

Zeus was only 7 when he pulled out Hades and 17 when they assigned realms. However, this concerns me.

1. Hera

How old even was Hera? Because if she decided to marry Zeus, that means she was either around his age or way older 😰.

I'm more inclined to believe that she was about 18-19 by the end of the Titanomacy because when she was healing Hades's wounds, she didn't look older than 12. (So, the older Persephone)

But that also mean Hades and Hera kissed when he was 19 and when she was 8-9 😰😰

He even stated everyone wanted Hera, even though (by this timeline) she'd still be extremely young/in mid to late teenhood.

Then, magical

RS draws her older

Which doesn't really change much but literally makes her 'born sexy yesterday' if she was created with a 'mature' body.

Again, Zeus was 17 when they got married so if she was older that makes their marriage worse.

2. Zeus

This dude was in a war at (presumably) 7 - 17. He definitely experienced some kind of trauma/issues from that. I don't know why people act like just because he didn't have a scar, doesn't mean there wasn't mental ones.

In conclusion:

RS needs to explain this timeline of events. You could argue that they were probably older and that the whole timeline isn't canon but Hades and Poseidon's timeline is. Zeus still would've been young af during and after the war anyway.

Either RS didn't take the age into account or she did for the guys but forgot about the girls, especially Hera.

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Chapter 233 Analysis

So don't worry I'm still alive. Life decided to just kick my ass and could actually get this done but doing it now!

So just to make this clear at the start, i don't inherently dislike stories of women using their sexuality to their advantage. Ie the sexy assassin type stories, I've said it before but I was a sex worker and that very much does effect the way I look at and analysis media.

Though stories like that often run a very thin line between just sexism and sexualization. I think the main way to tell the difference is the reason why the the person is using their sexuality is such a way. In lore olympus with hera.. it's a story about women using their sexuality as a form of power.. it's women being sexually abused to hopefully save themselves from more pain.

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Anonymous asked:

Actually genericpuff makes a good point - (and I have bad memory so I could be wrong) but did Zeus, Hades and Poseidon need to have "votes" from the others to become kings? (I remember them drawing straws or something...) And if they didnt then why does Demeter need votes to become queen?

Cause if they didnt need votes but Demeter does then that has some... Strange implications - that to be queen you either need to get "approval" from everyone else, whereas the kings didn't or if you want to become queen you have to marry one of the kings (like Hera).

I’m just as confused as you are but I’ll definitely take your word for it.

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happened to spot my name here so I hope you don't mind if I chime in!! this topic is one that's been bugging me for AGES and i love talking about it because it just goes to show how fundamentally misunderstood RS is in how political systems work (and how influenced she is by American political systems with very little research being done on Ancient Greece political systems and monarchies)

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We never explicitly see how the Kings become Kings in LO. The only backstory we get is through Hades and he's essentially just 'given' the Underworld by Zeus. Zeus comes up to him and says "hey, you wanna be a King?" and that's supposedly it. He sends Hades down to the Underworld with his dad in tow (literally sends Hades, the most abused of them all, down into the depths with the man who consumed him for 13 years) and then Hades eats the pomegranate and boom, he's King. Even Erebus states that unless he eats the pomegranate, he would be ruler "by title only" but that doesn't give him power over the domain (he has to make the deal / eat the pomegranate to gain that power which he does).

It's strongly implied Zeus sent Hades down to the Underworld because Zeus saw that Hades and Hera had a connection and Zeus wanted Hera all to himself - so sending Hades down there was the best way to 'nicely' get rid of him, basically 'promoting' him out of the situation (much like what we saw Hades do to Minthe cough cough)

Either way, there's definitely no drawing straws in LO's "retelling". Zeus basically just commandeers the role of King of the Heavens for himself and "convinces" his brothers to look over the ocean and the Underworld. He was basically just like "yep, let's be Kings, it'll be fun" and that was it.

SKIP AHEAD TO SEASON 3

We get a sudden flashback sequence showing Demeter campaigning to be Queen of the Mortal Realm. There is no current Queen. Zeus is the ruler of Olympus, Poseidon is the ruler of the Ocean, and Hades is the ruler of the Underworld, all three of which are considered separate realms, but no one is ruling over the Mortal Realm, Demeter's just been taking responsibility for it on her own and is now campaigning for the title. She has every vote except for Hades and Zeus, the latter of whom checked the 'Yes' box but scribbled it out. Demeter later finds out this is due to Zeus being convinced by Hades to change his vote. There's some fridge brilliance/fridge horror in that same episode because Demeter mentions Zeus is having a new extension put on his home - an extension that Hades paid for as part of the bribe.

(notice that "Underworld Corp." branding in the background?)

Now, that raises the first issue:

Why does Demeter need to campaign at all?

Again, there's no presiding ruler of the Mortal Realm, it's sort of just managed by every god who happens to dabble in that domain, including Demeter, Hermes, Apollo, Persephone, Zeus, etc.

Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon did not need to campaign for their jobs. Zeus took the title of King of the Heavens for himself, and gave the sea to Poseidon, leaving Hades to the Underworld (which he really didn't want to rule over but let his brother talk him into anyways.)

So yes, this casts an incredibly fucked up implication that the men in this story are allowed to take these roles of power for themselves whereas the women have to 'prove their worth' first.

But second:

Demeter still had majority vote.

Remember, there were 5 people on the voting slip. Even with Zeus changing his vote, she still had the majority vote, from Poseidon, Hera, and Hestia.

So this begs the question - does she need all 5 votes to qualify, or do the Kings not count the votes of Hestia and Hera? If it's the former, then why have a 'voting' process at all when you could just have a simple council meeting of sorts? If majority vote doesn't matter then it's hardly a system of voting. If it's the latter, then again, that has some fucked up implications because it means that Hera and Hestia are only included on the slip as a formality, not as an actual voting power.

Despite the fact that all six of them are friends and heroes, despite the fact that Hera was the one to sacrifice herself for the cause against Kronos, in the end it's obvious only the opinions of the three Kings matter. If the women want to be rulers by title, they have to marry and become subservient to the Kings, or campaign and hope that they're let "into the club".

I think it's meant to be a unanimous vote.

Although why Hades botherd to bribe Zeus I don't understand. Maybe he simply didn't want Demeter to blame him for being the only one denying her.

Than again it's possible that the women have no power and only the kings votes count.

Honestly, who knows? The setting having a weird mix of democracy, what with Apollo campaining to be president and Demeter campaining to be queen, and monarcy with the three kings system. There seems to be zero consistency.

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We gotta talk about Hades and Hera.

We've briefly mentioned the similarities between Persephone and Hera before and what those similarities imply, but I don't know if I've ever actually made an essay about it? At this point I have 600+ posts on here so I'm very likely to repeat myself, it's part of why I don't do LO crit posts as often as I used to because I feel like I've said a lot of everything that needs to be said and there's no use dwelling over the same problems that we all know are there.

But man, Hades and Hera. This is one that just got a little worse with the last FastPass episode.

CW: THERE WILL BE FAST PASS SPOILERS IN THIS ESSAY AS WELL AS DISCUSSION REGARDING SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!

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Saw a post that made me remember something about Minthe. So at the beginning of the comic, when Hades and Minthe see eachother after the party in his office, Minthe says in defense of herself not going to the party that Hades knows his family hates her. And Hades reply something like "bullshit, you were just bored". But earlier when he first got to the party, Hera says to his face after asking if he came alone "at least I don't have to put up with that nymph trash". Hades knew damn well that his family, Hera specifically, hated Minthe. Like it's not even "implied" or "subtext", Hera says directly to him that she hates Minthe. And he acts like she's just making it up to be a bitch to him. Like that is so gaslight-y and abusive and I'm only just realizing that (specifically about that one part, I already know that Hades was a shit partner to Minthe)

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Yesss we've talked about this in length in the ULO community but fr going back and reading S1, I do not blame Minthe in the slightest for not wanting to go to that party with him. Granted, it was written to make it seem like she was being mean and cold to him (and she was) but that's starting to feel more and more like it's just because Rachel doesn't want to look at the big racist elephant in the room. Hades was definitely NOT a good person to Minthe and I'm tired of pretending like he was and she was just taking advantage of him. We can see even in the comic that she was being financially abused by a man who refused to stand up for her.

Like I almost feel like Rachel was trying to frame this as "she's going to lose her job and by extension her apartment", but no, both of those things are tied to Hades. It's bad enough that she'd lose her job because of the relationship falling through, but it's clear that if they break up, she's going to lose everything because she owns nothing.

(like hades what the fuck man, it actually DOES depend on you because you literally put her in the position to be co-dependent on you. you're gonna make HER responsible for how she feels after you broke up with her due to an emotional affair? after how you treated her as a lower person in your own relationship? bro. c'mon.)

This is why it bugs me so much when people disregard everything Hades has done or reduce the arguments on behalf of Minthe as "whataboutism" simply because she slapped him. She was wrong to slap him, it should never have gotten to that point, but so much of how it got to that point was on Hades, not her. She wasn't without her own problems, but it's a shame that the comic focuses on her as the root of all the issues in their relationship when it all started with Hades putting her in a position to be taken advantage of.

Hades is the one with all the power here. He has nothing to lose if the relationship goes south, he has all the money and security to catch him, the worst that might happen is some bad PR. Minthe has nothing to her name and thus stands to lose everything if things fall through - just as they did.

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I’d also like to add that he was in a similar position with Hera and Persephone.

Hera and Hades relationship is the least toxic of his relationships as they’re mostly on an equal footing but instead of trying to help her with her relationship with his brother, he decides to have an affair with her. If anyone found out about this affair , Hera and Zeus would most likely have a divorce and her reputation would be tarnished. She’d most likely be powerless and even in the best possible outcome (in terms of power) would be marrying hades. Meanwhile Hades already has a mostly shit reputation, and is also the King of the Underworld, so he wouldn’t lose his power. (Also, given how much Zeus is loyal and loving to Hades, Zeus would probably be softer on him)

With Persephone the power dynamic is a lot more obvious, he’s her boss and he chooses to pay her and could easily take away the money she was planning to save up in season 1. She is also part of the TGOEM in season 1, so she could’ve lost her scholarship over him! Even now in season 3, Persephone cares about Hades opinion so much. Remember when Ares came to her house to talk about the coerced date (that probably brought up memories of Apollo!!) but she just wants hades to know that she would never leave him. It feels like a tragedy, what kind of moral is this, that’s being taught to a young audience? All of it just feels disgusting.

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ofide

good lord

YEAH I GOT NOTHING

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vonlipvig

i don’t understand a single sentence in this and i’m ok with that

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xek-xek

I haven’t stopped saying “it’s called quantum jumping, babe”

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arirna

I would genuinely like to know who to blame for making these children so disconnected from the concept of imagination that they think the simpler explanation for what they’re doing is that they’re projecting their consciousness into one of infinite realities where fictional characters are real.

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esoanem

topical :/

WHY IS IT TOPICAL

Me shouting at my rash ointment

great post everyone

idk if i should feel blessed that a tulpamancy post showed up in my feed or horrified that i knew what every single word in this meant and i’m a grown fucking adult-

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They really should teach people how to cook in school.

song: in the hall of the mountain king

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sol1056

that is honestly one of the best-timed and best-edited videos as if the music were made for the text or the text were made to the music and perfectly

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ultrafacts

Follow Ultrafacts for more facts

The picture in the background of the second one

Tama is boss

THE TRAINS HAVE CARTOON TAMAS ON THEM

Sad update everyone, Tama recently passed away… An estimated 3,000 people, including railway officials, attended Tama the cat’s funeral on Sunday, days after she died of heart failure aged 16. [x]

For those who haven’t read articles about it, the local shrine elevated her to a god. She’s now the Eternal Stationmaster and patron god of the station.

Beautiful.

Now I’m crying thanks

and a new cat was hired right?

yep! her name is Nitama (essentially ”second tama” or “tama II”) and she served under Tama as an apprentice before being appointed her deputy

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she works very hard

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beasti

Everytime this crosses my dash, I reblog. It is the law.

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tooiconic

I’m crying at 11pm over train cats

Nitama, already now a mature cat (born 2010), has a protege named Yontama (fourth Tama, b. 2016).  There is no information available for either the physical befellment or tragic self-disgrace which has removed Santama from contention.

^Nitama majestic, and below with Yontama

Yontama.

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a legacy

okay but actually what happened to santama (or sun-tama-tama, which is her name because it’s a pun on santama) was that she was basically sent to train for the position in okayama and they liked her so much they refused to send her back

“Sun-tama-tama” (a pun off of “Santama”, lit. “third Tama”) was a calico cat sent for training in Okayama. Sun-tama-tama was considered as a candidate for Tama’s successor, but the Okayama Public Relations representative who had been caring for Sun-tama-tama refused to give the cat up writing, “I will not let go of this child, she will stay in Okayama.” [25]
As of September 2018, Sun-tama-tama is working as the stationmaster in Naka-ku, Okayama and appears occasionally on Tama’s Twitter account.

Every time I see this post there’s new info and it gets better

You are only allowed to scroll pass this after you pay tribute to the great Tama Station masters.

The shrine of Tama Daimyōjin (Great gracious deity Tama), next to the Kishi station where she worked.

Nitama presenting her yearly offerings to Tama Daimyōjin on the anniversary of Tama’s Death, June 23 (The offerings are presented by the company president, as Nitama is a cat and thus can’t hold the offerings herself) (Not pictured, but also present, Yontama)

you cannot pass without reblogging guys. i’m sorry, i don’t make the rules.

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dduane

You can’t not reblog a goddess. It’s just what’s so. :)

So, fun fact- the manga Noragami has an arc where the main character, Yato (a minor kami/God that is down on his luck but trying to make it big time) goes to a council/conference for all the Gods in Japan.

And they are announcing the winner of the “up and coming god” award, and of course, Yato thinks it’s him.

But no-

ITS TAMA!

Always reblogging this.

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caliconiko

BEST THING ON TUMBLR EVER.

Shintoism is such a neat belief structure to me - I was raised Catholic and there’s this constant sense that it’s functionally a solved system; the dogma is established and except for a new saint now and then it’s done growing.

The idea that you can elevate a new god is really nice, there’s something vital and living within that concept; that belief can and will grow with the world around it.

Genuinely bless any religion in which “we promoted this very nice cat to the status of god” is a thing that not only can theoretically happen, but isn’t even controversial or weird when it does

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I feel like it's my responsibility as a semi-popular scicommer here to remind everyone:

Adult mosquitos do not eat blood; they only suck blood if they are pregnant as their babies need it to grow.

Adult mosquitos are herbivores, and use those same biting mouthparts and proboscis to suck juices out of plants. This includes nectar—mosquitos are important pollinators. In some ecosystems—the tundra, for instance—mosquitos are the predominant pollinators, since they are hardier and can withstand more climactic extremes than other pollinators.

Mosquitos are also crucial links in the food chain, providing food for spiders, dragonflies, wasps, hummingbirds, and tons of other organisms. And not just on land—since mosquito larvae live in water, they help transfer nutrients between aquatic and terrestrial realms, and feed fish, frogs, bugs, and more.

With all that said—even if none of the above is true, mosquitos are still living things, and life has an inherent value.

Yes, the diseases that mosquitos can carry cause great human suffering, and we need to work to eliminate those diseases. But the idea that eradicating mosquitos is a good idea or something humans have the right to do is arrogant misguided ecological meddling of the highest degree.

Absolutely! I also hate when everyone pretends that getting rid of wasps would be a good idea. Don't mess with nature!