trans men attracted to women are not lesbians. nonbinary lesbians are valid (bigender, agender, etc) but binary men cannot under any circumstance be lesbians.
You've never listened to a trans man lesbian, have you? Thankfully, I have, which is why I understand them much better than I could have on my own. Some reasons I've heard from (actual) trans man lesbians whom I have known for identifying the way they do:
- Before coming out, they were in lesbian spaces. After coming out, they still have ties because many of these spaces were the first places they could explore their gender without fear
- They're trans men and nonbinary (which means you're lying when you say you accept nonbinary lesbians). I know a genderfluid/bigender (cannot remember exactly) person who calls themself a trans man and who identifies as a trans man AND genderfluid/bigender. They also identify as a lesbian
- They call themselves a man as a simple way of communicating that they experience their gender in a masculine way
- They just identify as a lesbian. And as trans. Maybe even as a man. Maybe man-adjacent. Maybe it's none of your fuuucking business (it isn't).
You aren't the authority of lesbianism OR of trans manhood, and I find it interesting to see you accepting nonbinary lesbians only when they fit your narrow parameters (in that you're "validating" nonbinary lesbians but you bash against a lesbian who describes themself as a trans man).
This ask is serving "women and nonbinary people" realness. Listen to trans man lesbians before running your exclusionist mouth in spaces you aren't welcome in. You got a nasty case of lesbophobia and transandrophobia.











