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Anonymous asked:

How do you think Tella used Untell to stop that bullet? They probably explain it later, but I want to know how you think it works for what we have seen.

I'm pretty sure that I addressed this in my chapter review, but since you asked, I'll go into a bit more explicit detail here

We've known since the Winter fight that Tella's ability allowed him to block attacks, as he used his speakers to intercept the Union's attacks, and I guessed at the time that because his name was "Tella" that his ability had something to do with communication (further implied by him being a communication's expert, as mentioned by Billy at the time)

My interpretation at the time was that Tella was negating the "message" that was being sent to him in the form of an attack; "you're our enemy" or "we want to hurt you" being communicated through combat. It's a pretty common trope for fighters to "talk with their fists," so this seemed like a pretty literal interpretation of that idea. From this, I thought that his ability negated any incoming communications

However, that didn't explain why Tella only communicated with speakers that were clearly attached to his head; he could clearly hear what other people said to him, he doesn't use his mouth, it's pretty obvious that he's a self-targeter, and I couldn't figure out how to get around that inconsistency

Now we know that Untell specifically negates forms of communication that use Tella's body. At a glance, this means that his mouth, hands, and any other part of his body that he might use to send a message (such as blinking in Morse code) are rendered incapable of doing so, but that wording implies that Untell only negates outgoing messages

Because Tella blocked Fuuko's bullet and didn't freeze up, that means that the communication being negated was the incoming message from Fuuko, not the outgoing message of "I want to protect Billy"

In fact, Tella then proceeds to take a threatening stance, complete with bared teeth, to communicate with Fuuko "I won't let you touch Billy." That's an outgoing message communicated through body language! And yet it's not negated for some reason

And again, Tella can still hear what is being said; he can still be communicated with, he just can't speak/sign, and he can't receive an attack

My best guess is that he can only negate voluntary communications; he can't help but hear what other people say any better than he can control Billy's ability to hear the beating of his heart. He can control what he says, but if he's trying to defend Billy, he's probably not thinking about what his expression is saying, he's probably only thinking about saving Billy, so his threatening stance is a completely involuntary response

An incoming attack is a deliberate choice, though, a purposeful message with the intent of telling its recipient to die. If someone just carelessly threw a grenade in Tella's general direction, he probably wouldn't be able to block it because there's no intention of communicating a message at all, it's just a random incident with no meaning

Whether this is accurate at all, I'm not sure, but it's my best guess for now. Hopefully Tozuka will give us more helpful info soon!

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Basically, it's a case where English word doesn't entirely fit the Japanese meanings. The closest explanation English speakers can get is that "Tell" means "Transmission" or "Connection", which Tella's ability negates.

This a meaning for Tella's negation kanji.

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Undead Unluck ch. 145 thoughts (this time for real)

A little theory from me about "skipping 1999". I don't think Fuuko was going to skip that, and I think a lot of her behavior in front of Apocalypse is posturing. Remember, he offered the location of the Undead as a clear provocation to her. So Gods are clearly not above manipulating quest/rewards combinations to get to the Union. So it makes sense for her to be so confident in front of Apocalypse, to keep as many of her plans to herself, because random quest/reward combinations are better than the rigged ones, like what Seasons quest was.

Okay, first things first - this chapter was AMAZING!

Fuuko, the shy shut-in, who was shaking from just standing in a popular clothes store, is now a major badass, capable of taking down UMA completely by herself.

And I'd like to remind all readers, that she is performing those acrobatics with a GIANT BACKPACK ON!

Now, to the chapter.

So Gina's desire for constant world starts long before her ability. And first page gives us a story, surprisingly parallel to that of Fuuko. (P.S. random note - Russians definitely don't bury their dead next to a house like kid's dead goldfish, but, you know, creative liberty 😅)

Love the explanation of Fuuko's evolved ability. (I bet there's Fuuko's blood in those bullets). Basically, she doesn't need to like target personally anymore, she only needs to like the medium, which delivers her Unluck to the target. And the more I think about it, the more I realize how OP that ability is. Before strongest Unluck could be summoned by contact with Andy, but the drawback was, that only Andy is targeted, so other opponents had a chance to evade Unluck stroke. But for the target Unluck is unavoidable. And now she can target opponents directly, instead of through Andy.

FEEEEENG is back! And it seems Fuuko made a reputation for herself in this loop. Enough to become a target for Feng. Also can we appreciate that Heat was destroyed not by a meteorite, but by Feng's orbital strike? Fengeorite? XD

P.S. Thoughts that live rent-free in my head:

This Andy coaching Fuuko to be more confident

And this is how Fuuko carries herself now

Alright, I just wanna ramble about chapter 127 since my one other friend who's into Undead Unluck isn't caught up.

So it was already established that every character will die in this arc, minus Andy and Fuuko of course. Sure, they'll all come back, provided they aren't killed by Ruin, but everyone will die nonetheless.

But I didn't really process that until I saw the actual size of Sun. Now I've seen a few movies and whatnot with giant monsters, but never something on Sun's scale. I was expecting them to make us seem like ants, but the houses? The trees? The mountains? Even Andy, of all characters, is dumbfounded by how insignificantly small everything is in comparison.

Chikara shows up, and I'm already anticipating that something bad will happen. But hey, Unmove works on Sun! Surely Union will have the upper hand so long as they can defend Chikara, right?

And then we get treated to the lovely shot of a ball created by Sun tearing through his arm.

I had to take a minute to process everything happening: the path of destruction left behind, the arm flying in the air, a trail of blood following it. You can see the individual layers of clothing torn off, not even the pin is safe.

And there's something in Chikara's expression. Or maybe a lack of something? He just keeps looking forward, just barely aware that his left arm is meters behind him, but very much aware that he was inches away from death.

And in the following panels, there are no theatrics, no flashy moves, no dialogue, nothing. Usually in this series, when someone gets injured, they get back up, they keep fighting, or they run to see another day.

But not Chikara. He just falls down, in a pool of his own blood.

This scene really cemented that this is the end of the world. You can't run, you can't hide, you can't beg or plead or fight. The God directing this destruction will take no prisoners, but will take enjoyment in watching you struggle. All you can do is buy just a little more time before you and your friends get obliterated.

And you, the reader, are represented by Chikara. You are witness to this massacre, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent it.

Holly molly, Sun's cheer size is just overwhelming. You know you are in deep, when even Andy is shocked

And that "they simply stood up" panel is amazing, showing us that disparity in power, finally visible after all that speculation about God's form. Which I think is even better, that Tzk left as a simple black silhouette.

And new revelation - there are two deities! And seeing, that Sun is said to be responsible for the UMAs, the rules and the world, I presume that makes Luna responsible for the negators and the artifacts. Which kinda makes Luna the same kind of a-hole as Sun.

And it seems Chikara is among Sun's first victims. Kinda scary how easily God disposed of him...

Which brings us to the question- is the endgame still the same - just go with the plan, destroy Sun and let another a-hole deity take the reins, hoping they'll just let you live without intervening or do they now need to defeat them both?

P.S. little trivia about contents of the first page

All those places have significance in the story:

- Bridge in Shinjuku, where Andy and Fuuko met

- Lake Baikal, where they battled Gina

- Tower in Taiwan, where they battled Summer

- Stanley Park in Canada, where they've met Anno Un

So, ladies and gents, the moment has arrived. God is here!

And it's effing massive?! Like those rock formations in the distance seem to be pretty far away, so pretty big, but God can literally just move them with a finger?! Those are gonna be some tense 11 minutes...

On the brighter side - can we appreciate our male MC growth. Starting from this:

And coming to this:

I don't really have much to say, I just want more, can't wait for the next chapter!

I did not expect to love chapter 125 of Undead Unluck as much as I did.

Juiz herself leading Fuuko to the first seat was everything I wanted without knowing it. Fuuko joined at almost the end of the loop, yet there's still a "that's deserved" kind of satisfaction in seeing Juiz pass on her mantle of the Union's leader after literal millennias as number I.

And there's just something poetic about how Juiz, elegant and powerful leader, is the first to acknowledge Fuuko as "Boss"

Me mentally preparing myself for all the reactions that people on this site are gonna have over the first 1 or 2 episodes of Undead Unluck.

And then some folk will get to the animated chapter 9 and it will explode and by the end of the first season, everyone will be pretending they knew immediately how great it was.

So I've gotten a bit of a fever and apparently my fever afflicted mind decided that the thing I want to see the most in my dreams is Trolls 3.😅

Here is the begging of it, according to my overheated brain: the general title includes something star related. As usual we start with a bit of scrapbooking backstory, then we go to the view of the forest from up above. The view then smoothly drops down to the Pop Village, in those transition we can clearly see that it became bigger, with new structures obviously inspired by different genres. The view ends on a busy centre of the village with Poppy in the middle of it. Apparently they are preparing for some Grand Festival, celebrating all music and Poppy in her energetic, bouncy and encouraging manner supervises preparations and has chats with various familiar characters.

In one scene she is discussing some part of the plan for the Festival with Smidge, when the panicked trolls start running from the left side of the screen. Immediately Poppy takes off in that direction. Then she encounters the following sight - some robotic looking towers moving on spider like mechanical legs, crushing surrounding buildings and somehow sucking(?) in trolls, with smaller mechanical units herding them towards those towers. Poppy charges into the fray, using her hair to break the visible troll container on the main tallest tower, thus freeing them, but gets in the sucking zone. She digs in her heels, but the sucking device is too strong and in the moment, when she is about to get caught, in her path heroically appears Branch, grabbing her and using his hair to stop the tower and get a foothold against the sucking device. Poppy reacts with happy exclamation "Branch!", but now they are stuck, Branch's hair keeps them from being sucked in, but the sucking is too strong to walk away. Using the momentum from the sucking force, Branch tips over the tower, but gets flung into the air with Poppy in his arms. Trying to shield her, he takes most of the impact upon landing and gets knocked out. The screen fades to black.

Now we get to the view of the underground. Where once was only Branch's bunker, now there is a whole underground city, seemingly capable of housing if not all, then most of troll nation. We are shifted to a view of Poppy, holding a hand of unconscious Branch, lying on his side. She is in the middle of conversation with Delta Dawn and Trollex, discussing what happened and their next course of actions. One of the main agendas is warning other tribes and getting as many trolls as possible to the underground safety. In the following moments Branch wakes up, and Poppy finishes the conversation, helps Branch to stand and starts escorting him to his quarters.

And then I wake up with my phone telling me to take my medicine. The end.

Nobody likes Cloud Guy any more...

…no, but seriously, that ‘Cloud Control’ episode has made me realise something:

Great as TrollsTopia and The Beat Goes On have been, the animation crew have gone too far with how they’ve been treating Cloud Guy’s character. In the original movie, and in some of the earliest episodes, he more or less had a reason to push Branch’s buttons - but now he’s literally bothering Branch just for the fun of it.

Why, though? What other reason does Cloud Guy have to want to pester Branch (and various members of the Trolls Tribes) any further than he is now? His “Annoy-aversaries”, I feel, really have crossed the line here.

Apple of My Ire’ (S8) is another example of how infuriating Cloud Guy has become. Everyone else in the animated series has had some form of character development or had to learn a lesson (that has actually stuck). This could have been another example of such a thing - and instead, they threw a complete 180 towards the end…literally what just just happened with ‘Cloud Control’.

I don’t know if anyone from the writers team reads every comment online, but I do want to say this:

If they want to make Cloud Guy redeemable, let’s have more episodes like ‘Two’s a Cloud’ (S5) - where he’s not always in control; where he actually learns a lesson; where he can grow and develop; and where he’s not always a prankster every time he makes an appearance. Because right now, in my eyes, he’s in danger of becoming another “Creek” - one-note, annoying and (dare I say) manipulative.

And them’s my Two Cents.

You’re definitely not alone there, Chris. I’ve never liked the whole “It’s only fun if it bothers you” thing, because that’s a behavior I’m all too familiar with from people I would have been better off without in my life.

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I thought cloud guy would be like discord was with twilight teaching her but his character throughout beat gose on and TrollsTopia change my mind on it. What happen to the cloud in hug day where he wanted to help branch have the courage to ask Poppy for a hug. That was the cloud I knew

Literally, when I saw his performative moping in that episode being validated and everyone performing mental acrobatics to see good in his actions - I was just repeatedly shouting 'NOOOOOO' at the screen by that point.

TWT - spoilers - Poppy’s Character Growth

Poppy didn’t change as dramatically as Branch has over the course of the two movies, but she started changing the minute that crown – and the pressure to be a good queen that came with it - landed on her head.

Learning to honestly, truly listen and try to understand what others want with an open mind is the main character growth for Poppy in this movie. That’s not to say she NEVER listened; she’s always been compassionate and honestly believes in putting herself in others’ places, as she lectured Branch at the beginning of the movie. (Hypocritical, I know. But how many of us do the same thing without believing that we are?)

I think that, like a lot of us, her problem was that she was complacent; believing she knew the world and that others needed her to show them the way. That’s a bit arrogant, but she is well-meaning, and think about this: She had such spectacular success with Branch, after all.

Poppy watched someone whom she now cares about very much change from gray and reclusive to happy and willing to learn to have fun, so of course she probably believed that only good could come of her sharing her views of life with the rest of the world.

Leaving her was the best thing Branch could have done to wake her up, because she knew if her most loyal companion was telling her she was going down the wrong course, she had to rethink everything. Unfortunately she never got the chance to think, but I like to believe if she had, she’d have made different choices. I think she’ll be more likely to listen to Branch and others in the future.

I feel that one reason Poppy had more trouble than Branch with the new cultures was because she has actually led a very sheltered life compared to Branch. Yes, he was the one who avoided the world in an underground bunker while she tried to draw him out, but then they switched places. He came out and began learning new things about the world, and became a lot more open-minded in the process, so when all this stuff with new trolls/cultures began happening, Branch was in a better position to roll with things than Poppy was. He himself had just gone through a massive lifestyle change and had grown more confident and sure of himself, because his choice had led to such a positive difference in his life and brought him so much joy.

Also, I have to wonder if Branch actually has better conflict resolution skills than Poppy does. Both Branch and Bridget were the ones who reached out to Poppy after she ran and hid like a small child in Trolls Holiday, after all. Being a typical, happy troll and royalty to boot, most likely the other trolls have always let minor annoyances slide rather than confronting her on them and so Poppy has passed through life somewhat oblivious, as we saw demonstrated quite clearly in Trolla-palooza (A 2 ½ minute short on Youtube.)

Formerly-gray Branch has obviously had a lot of clashes and had experience in apologizing and being sensitive to others’ feelings, judging by Holiday and by him eventually letting go of his anger and accepting the olive branch Hickory offered, singing a love song that showed he understood exactly what Branch was going through, and being cool about Branch’s past behavior toward him.

I also get the feeling that the other trolls, notably her dad and Branch, have probably tried to protect her from negative experiences, which inhibited her growth. I have to say, this eye-opening adventure happening to her right at the start of her queenship is sort of like how Gristle was changed by meeting Bridget and the trolls, making him a kinder, more empathetic ruler. I seriously love the life lessons this movie teaches.

I’ve actually wanted to talk about Poppy’s character for a veeeery long time, but refrained to do so due to past experiences. I’ll try to be as objective as possible, but keep in mind I’ll try to be as honest as possible as well.

For a very long time now, I’ve been under the impression that the fandom can be very biased when it comes to Poppy and Branch (or as we say where I come from, es un doble rasero de aúpa). I’ve seen countless times that when Branch made mistakes the fandom coddled him (not everyone of course, but enough that it gets tiring) but when it was Poppy who made them, then she was annoying, or immature, or a bad friend…

And to be honest, as someone who tries to be as analytical as possible when it comes to this franchise and simply have a good time doing something I love, that attitude has been a major pain in my neck.

Which is why I actually dreaded Trolls World Tour the first time I watched it.

Yeah, I know. Shocking (and I say this in an unironic way).

As important as Poppy learning her lesson was, I knew the fandom was most likely going to tear her to pieces for not being perfect.

And that’s why I’ve kept quiet for so long. But now I want to allow myself the chance to analyse Poppy’s character, because once you do, her reasoning makes sense (that does NOT mean she wasn’t in the wrong, though).

As @dreamsinger-rose pointed out, Poppy was overconfident in this adventure; she thought she knew best. And that’s what led her to accidentally insult the Country Trolls.

Before talking about how Poppy’s view on differences affected her reasoning, I want to focus in that overconfidence first.

While it may come from not being confronted for her actions by other trolls before, we must understand that there probably wasn’t even a need to call Poppy out until that point!

According to the film’s Art book and additional material, Poppy is the perfect troll: she’s perky, positive and popular. But now we know she is the perfect pop troll. In Pop Village she knew how to handle things because that was her home, she knew the rules and customs pop trolls follow, and because she didn’t understand how different the rest of the trolls were, she failed to see those wouldn’t apply outside her kingdom.

And now we talk about differences.

Poppy herself said that the fact that everyone in Pop Village was different was a huge factor to her quest. And she was right! Poppy grew up to believe that differences don’t matter, even her best friend and therefore the troll she’s closest to is her polar opposite! And she was right when she reprimanded her father for running away from people he didn’t even know (don’t @ me, that’s learning to socialise 101). However, those differences Poppy didn’t care about? They were physical, not musical or cultural.

The best example of both culture clash and how it’s avoided it’s the Country trolls. In the final version of the film, Poppy wasn’t taken aback because they were centaurs, but because their music was sad and she didn’t understand sad music could make you happy.

But again, that confusion makes sense when you compare both films.

Since pop music is supposed to be fun and happy, then Poppy’s probably only heard sad songs when things were indeed sad. Case in point, the only sad songs in the first movie where Clint Eastwood (which was meant to show the Bergens’ depressive existence), Total Eclipse of the Heart (featured when Branch opened up about his Grandma and his colours) and, in a way, True Colours (which Branch sang because Poppy had lost all hope). With that kind of background it would be difficult to understand why anyone would choose a sad song to express happiness.

But what truly turned against Poppy when it comes to her views on differences is that her father kept her and her people in the dark. Not to mention, their version of the story wasn’t true, either. While the rest of the tribes grew up understanding that they were different, how they were different, and why they were apart, Poppy didn’t. She didn’t know why accepting each others’ differences, as well as to not try to change them, was so important.

And now we can finally move on to Poppy’s main problem: listening.

Believe it or not, the answer lies in the first movie as well.

And that is because both films had completely different plots.

The first movie was basically the creators throwing every terrible thing they could think of at the most optimistic character ever, to see how she’d react. And the second was about solving issues through the acknowledgement of different opinions and cultures.

The first one was about Poppy being true to herself. The second one, about becoming a good queen.

Poppy wasn’t listening to others because it was by listening to herself that she achieved so much in her first adventure. Her father told her she couldn’t go to Bergen Town, but she managed to make it there (with Branch, true, but she made it there). Her friends and Creek thought she should give up on Branch? She brought his colours back. Trolls and Bergens believed the latter could only be happy if they ate trolls? Poppy showed them the truth.

The first movie was about proving Poppy right because she had to earn her crown.

With that background, no wonder she thought she had it all under control! But the second movie had to prove her wrong because there is much to take into account when it comes to ruling.

Before we wrap things up, one last special mention.

Poppy wanting to prove she is a good queen makes perfect sense:

  • Branch said to her face that he dreaded the day she became queen (character growth, I know, but insecurities just don’t go away).
  • Considering her father saved everyone from certain death (alongside whatever he did the next 20 years), she’s probably spent her whole life in his shadow.
  • Poppy’s greatest insecurity is not being a good queen! Royal Review, anyone?

In conclusion, what I’m trying to say is that, just because one character needs to learn a lesson, that doesn’t make them impossible to understand or relate to. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

@geekgirles Thank you for that addition, you put a lot of my feelings about TWT and fandom’s reaction to it into words. Also may I add, that neither movie ever portrayed Poppy as perfect. In both movies and Trolls Holiday Poppy needed other people help to achieve her goal, but she also was the one to set off change for the better.

One more example of Poppy’s overconfidence being tied to insecurity: in B-rolls of the movie one of her cut lines is “my dad doesn’t think I’m a good queen”. We already know from the first movie that being a good queen is both her greatest hope and source of self-doubt. And here she is in TWT: acting queen, yet suddenly she learns that there are whole nations of other trolls and she, current ruler, is completely unaware of them, because her father was protecting her, as in thinking her not capable of dealing with the real world. That desperation to prove her worth as a queen, that only grew on her journey as she failed to save and connect with other tribes, does lead her to trying to fix things faster, without truly putting effort into listening and understanding. It is in the interaction with Barb that she finally gets to see her own actions from an outside perspective, finally fully understanding her mistake.

Also I wanted to point out how in TWT *both* Branch and Poppy still learn from each other. When they first arrive to classical village, Poppy’s first thought is to save other trolls, complete strangers to her at this point, because she values all people by default, while Branch wants to hide everyone he knows into the bunker and hide with them from the world. Yet when they arrive into country town, it is Branch who can connect to others emotionally, while Poppy fails to do so. So we see how their minds and hearts are opposing both each other and themselves.

We all know about Poppy’s growth, so I’ll skip writing about it, but I want to point out, how Branch was able to actually reach out to other trolls, only when he accepted Poppy’s mind stance. That moment with Reggaeton and Kpop trolls, when he says “all music should be protected”, is him trying Poppy’s tactic, thus his surprised face, when those different trolls respond to that positively.

Just wanted to add my two cents, but it seems I got carried away😅

@hoarderbat DEAR GOD, THANK YOU

Both Poppy and Branch are flawed, just like Poppy doesn’t always listen to Branch, he doesn’t always listen to her either. When it comes to proving themselves, they tend to be very stubborn, Poppy in being a good queen through her methods, and Branch by becoming a part of the village again. But just like Poppy tends to get overboard, Branch often sacrifices his true self in order to fit in. And they both warn each other about such tendencies.

And thank you so much for adding that about Peppy. Many of Poppy’s issues don’t come just from living a sheltered life, but from the impact her father has had on her! Trying to prove themselves to their kingdoms and dads is what makes Poppy and Barb so similar. They just want to be the best queens they can because the troll before them has put a lot on pressure on them.

Also, yes. No movie portrays Poppy as perfect. But ever since TTBGO the fandom’s been acting like Poppy can’t make mistakes, and if she does, then she’s horrible. Hate to break it to ya, but Poppy’s the main character. We’re supposed to follow the movie through her eyes, to learn and figure out things at her pace! If she were perfect there’d be no such thing as relativity.

As one of the few female protagonists Dreamworks has, an overachiever, and a bit of a people-pleaser who’s just trying to do the right thing at the same time as being true to herself, Poppy is an important character to many. Myself included.

Oh, and btw, I have a different analysis about how the franchise’s aesops are expressed through Poppy and Branch. I can tag you if you want ;)

The big problem I had with character growth in TBGO (and to a lesser extent, Trollstopia) is that it was generally biased in favor of Poppy. Many of the episodes where Branch is the one learning a lesson could only happen by severely retconning his character. Now, don’t get me wrong…Branch definitely has flaws. He’s stubborn, conceited, and tends to overthink things. But Hair Jitsu, for example, puts him terribly out of character, making him clumsy and overzealous, neither of which are traits we typically associate with Branch. Poppy, meanwhile, is apparently the master of an art that requires a skill she’s clearly lacking in the second movie. And in episodes where Poppy does end up being the one to learn a lesson, the one teaching it to her is Anyone But Branch. So my problem is not so much with Poppy herself, but the way she’s portrayed. Yes, we need strong female characters, but that shouldn’t come at the expense of her best friend’s character (or sanity).

(Just to be clear, Poppy does have some excellent leadership qualities. She’s quick-thinking, determined, strong, and wants to make a difference in the lives of those around her. Her positivity is a good thing, and she knows how to use it to rally her people. I don’t want anyone thinking I dislike or resent Poppy, because she’s a great character with a lot of potential.)

Yeah, I see what you mean, @kate669 .

It’s no secret that Poppy is my favourite character, but even I cringed because of some instances where they sacrificed her empathy in favour of comedy in TTBGO. My main problem comes that, while the show might have been biased in favour of Poppy, the fandom was definitely biased in favour of Branch. It was problems I had related to that that became the last straw that made me abandon the fandom until the first trailer of TWT.

What really frustrated me is that people took a show to heart like that. I said it before, for the sake of my sanity, I prefer to sit back and just enjoy the franchise. So seeing others getting so worked up about it made me roll my eyes real hard.

Nowadays I stay as far away from the drama as possible, but I really needed to get my previous analysis outta my chest because I know many fans feel the same way, even if we don’t always make long-ass rants about it.

I don’t mean to offend anyone, just sharing my views. Sorry if anyone felt attacked, not my intention.

Well, TTBGO and now Trollstopia are made by different people after all. And supplemental series usually don't get the polish and detail of full length movie and often don't have much more than a general description of the characters and also are restrained from developing certain storylines, like Broppy relationship in TTBGO and I suspect a lot about everything regarding leaders of the other tribes in current series. So somethings are hit on point and some are a total miss and the end result indeed can come off quite cringy, but usually they get better in later seasons.

Personally, I watch those when I want something fun, simple and uncomplicated.

Trolls' aesops

I think one of the things I love most about the franchise is the duality of their lessons. Something I think the writers try to reflect through Poppy and Branch.

In the first movie, the message was about happiness; how far some people will go to get it and how far others will go to get it back.

But when explaining the meaning of the message they didn't just show that anyone could or deserved to be happy (ideals represented by Poppy), they also showed that being happy actually takes time and work, it takes the strength to allow yourself to be happy and let others help you achieve it (what Branch represents).

At the beginning of the film, Poppy foreshadowed the plot: everyone deserves to be happy and anyone can be happy. And she was right! Branch deserved to be happy, the Bergens deserved to be happy, happiness was achievable for everyone! And it was that belief what ultimately saved the day.

But Branch was also right; bad things happen, and there's nothing you can do about it. Because Branch used to be happy and hopeful and a "normal" troll, but when his grandma was taken away, so was his happiness. It wasn't just that Branch didn't want to be happy (like Creek said), he was so haunted by his trauma that he simply couldn't! Which is what Poppy didn't understand.

But as their adventure brought them together, it also allowed them to see things from the other's point of view better. They completed the puzzle. Thanks to Poppy, Branch learned that he could still be happy. And thanks to Branch, Poppy realised the hardships we sometimes have to face in order to achieve said happiness.

In other words, the first movie's lesson is that while everyone deserves to be happy, it's not something you can get by external means, and that sadness is also a part of life that we have to face if we want to experience joy again.

As for Trolls World Tour (don't worry, I'll tag this as spoilers), the message is centred around differences and diversity.

Again, through Poppy and Branch we can see they're actually both right; differences don't matter (Poppy) and differences do matter (Branch).

As it was lampshaded in the movie, Poppy's problem wasn't that she was wrong—even her father admitted she was right in the end—, her problem was that she wasn't listening.

Because differences really don't matter to Poppy, especially considering she's grown up surrounded by trolls who couldn't be more different from each other, and because the one she's closest to happens to be her polar opposite. The problem appeared when she assumed others would share her point of view on things, instead of trying to understand theirs (i.e. the country trolls, her argument with Branch...).

It was when Branch finally called her out on it—a very direct approach— and when Barb shared the things they had in common when it comes to ruling that made her realise her mistake.

Branch, on the other hand, had spent years as an outcast, never trusting anyone until he joined Poppy in their adventure. So of course he'd believe differences do matter, especially when someone different from them wanted to destroy their way of living.

He is also right about it. We must be aware of how people are different from us to have a better relationship with them. But he also proved Poppy's point of view, albeit more subtly; by enjoying country music and dancing with the K-Pop Gang and the Reggaeton Trolls he demonstrated, and probably realised, that other types of music shouldn't be a reason to be hostile towards each other, that we should look past that. That probably made him understand Poppy.

In the end, both were right, but again, they still needed each other's influence to piece the whole lesson together. Because those two love each other, and they love being different.

The duality of Trolls World Tour is that, while we should be aware of our differences for a better understanding of others and celebrate said differences, they should never be enough to keep us apart.

And I truly think it takes a lot to achieve such depth in an animation movie.

@hoarderbat this is the analysis. Sorry, I couldn't resist!

No sorrys needed, it is one of the best summaries on duality of Poppy and Branch))

TWT - spoilers - Poppy’s Character Growth

Poppy didn’t change as dramatically as Branch has over the course of the two movies, but she started changing the minute that crown – and the pressure to be a good queen that came with it - landed on her head.

Learning to honestly, truly listen and try to understand what others want with an open mind is the main character growth for Poppy in this movie. That’s not to say she NEVER listened; she’s always been compassionate and honestly believes in putting herself in others’ places, as she lectured Branch at the beginning of the movie. (Hypocritical, I know. But how many of us do the same thing without believing that we are?)

I think that, like a lot of us, her problem was that she was complacent; believing she knew the world and that others needed her to show them the way. That’s a bit arrogant, but she is well-meaning, and think about this: She had such spectacular success with Branch, after all.

Poppy watched someone whom she now cares about very much change from gray and reclusive to happy and willing to learn to have fun, so of course she probably believed that only good could come of her sharing her views of life with the rest of the world.

Leaving her was the best thing Branch could have done to wake her up, because she knew if her most loyal companion was telling her she was going down the wrong course, she had to rethink everything. Unfortunately she never got the chance to think, but I like to believe if she had, she’d have made different choices. I think she’ll be more likely to listen to Branch and others in the future.

I feel that one reason Poppy had more trouble than Branch with the new cultures was because she has actually led a very sheltered life compared to Branch. Yes, he was the one who avoided the world in an underground bunker while she tried to draw him out, but then they switched places. He came out and began learning new things about the world, and became a lot more open-minded in the process, so when all this stuff with new trolls/cultures began happening, Branch was in a better position to roll with things than Poppy was. He himself had just gone through a massive lifestyle change and had grown more confident and sure of himself, because his choice had led to such a positive difference in his life and brought him so much joy.

Also, I have to wonder if Branch actually has better conflict resolution skills than Poppy does. Both Branch and Bridget were the ones who reached out to Poppy after she ran and hid like a small child in Trolls Holiday, after all. Being a typical, happy troll and royalty to boot, most likely the other trolls have always let minor annoyances slide rather than confronting her on them and so Poppy has passed through life somewhat oblivious, as we saw demonstrated quite clearly in Trolla-palooza (A 2 ½ minute short on Youtube.)

Formerly-gray Branch has obviously had a lot of clashes and had experience in apologizing and being sensitive to others’ feelings, judging by Holiday and by him eventually letting go of his anger and accepting the olive branch Hickory offered, singing a love song that showed he understood exactly what Branch was going through, and being cool about Branch’s past behavior toward him.

I also get the feeling that the other trolls, notably her dad and Branch, have probably tried to protect her from negative experiences, which inhibited her growth. I have to say, this eye-opening adventure happening to her right at the start of her queenship is sort of like how Gristle was changed by meeting Bridget and the trolls, making him a kinder, more empathetic ruler. I seriously love the life lessons this movie teaches.

I’ve actually wanted to talk about Poppy’s character for a veeeery long time, but refrained to do so due to past experiences. I’ll try to be as objective as possible, but keep in mind I’ll try to be as honest as possible as well.

For a very long time now, I’ve been under the impression that the fandom can be very biased when it comes to Poppy and Branch (or as we say where I come from, es un doble rasero de aúpa). I’ve seen countless times that when Branch made mistakes the fandom coddled him (not everyone of course, but enough that it gets tiring) but when it was Poppy who made them, then she was annoying, or immature, or a bad friend…

And to be honest, as someone who tries to be as analytical as possible when it comes to this franchise and simply have a good time doing something I love, that attitude has been a major pain in my neck.

Which is why I actually dreaded Trolls World Tour the first time I watched it.

Yeah, I know. Shocking (and I say this in an unironic way).

As important as Poppy learning her lesson was, I knew the fandom was most likely going to tear her to pieces for not being perfect.

And that’s why I’ve kept quiet for so long. But now I want to allow myself the chance to analyse Poppy’s character, because once you do, her reasoning makes sense (that does NOT mean she wasn’t in the wrong, though).

As @dreamsinger-rose pointed out, Poppy was overconfident in this adventure; she thought she knew best. And that’s what led her to accidentally insult the Country Trolls.

Before talking about how Poppy’s view on differences affected her reasoning, I want to focus in that overconfidence first.

While it may come from not being confronted for her actions by other trolls before, we must understand that there probably wasn’t even a need to call Poppy out until that point!

According to the film’s Art book and additional material, Poppy is the perfect troll: she’s perky, positive and popular. But now we know she is the perfect pop troll. In Pop Village she knew how to handle things because that was her home, she knew the rules and customs pop trolls follow, and because she didn’t understand how different the rest of the trolls were, she failed to see those wouldn’t apply outside her kingdom.

And now we talk about differences.

Poppy herself said that the fact that everyone in Pop Village was different was a huge factor to her quest. And she was right! Poppy grew up to believe that differences don’t matter, even her best friend and therefore the troll she’s closest to is her polar opposite! And she was right when she reprimanded her father for running away from people he didn’t even know (don’t @ me, that’s learning to socialise 101). However, those differences Poppy didn’t care about? They were physical, not musical or cultural.

The best example of both culture clash and how it’s avoided it’s the Country trolls. In the final version of the film, Poppy wasn’t taken aback because they were centaurs, but because their music was sad and she didn’t understand sad music could make you happy.

But again, that confusion makes sense when you compare both films.

Since pop music is supposed to be fun and happy, then Poppy’s probably only heard sad songs when things were indeed sad. Case in point, the only sad songs in the first movie where Clint Eastwood (which was meant to show the Bergens’ depressive existence), Total Eclipse of the Heart (featured when Branch opened up about his Grandma and his colours) and, in a way, True Colours (which Branch sang because Poppy had lost all hope). With that kind of background it would be difficult to understand why anyone would choose a sad song to express happiness.

But what truly turned against Poppy when it comes to her views on differences is that her father kept her and her people in the dark. Not to mention, their version of the story wasn’t true, either. While the rest of the tribes grew up understanding that they were different, how they were different, and why they were apart, Poppy didn’t. She didn’t know why accepting each others’ differences, as well as to not try to change them, was so important.

And now we can finally move on to Poppy’s main problem: listening.

Believe it or not, the answer lies in the first movie as well.

And that is because both films had completely different plots.

The first movie was basically the creators throwing every terrible thing they could think of at the most optimistic character ever, to see how she’d react. And the second was about solving issues through the acknowledgement of different opinions and cultures.

The first one was about Poppy being true to herself. The second one, about becoming a good queen.

Poppy wasn’t listening to others because it was by listening to herself that she achieved so much in her first adventure. Her father told her she couldn’t go to Bergen Town, but she managed to make it there (with Branch, true, but she made it there). Her friends and Creek thought she should give up on Branch? She brought his colours back. Trolls and Bergens believed the latter could only be happy if they ate trolls? Poppy showed them the truth.

The first movie was about proving Poppy right because she had to earn her crown.

With that background, no wonder she thought she had it all under control! But the second movie had to prove her wrong because there is much to take into account when it comes to ruling.

Before we wrap things up, one last special mention.

Poppy wanting to prove she is a good queen makes perfect sense:

  • Branch said to her face that he dreaded the day she became queen (character growth, I know, but insecurities just don’t go away).
  • Considering her father saved everyone from certain death (alongside whatever he did the next 20 years), she’s probably spent her whole life in his shadow.
  • Poppy’s greatest insecurity is not being a good queen! Royal Review, anyone?

In conclusion, what I’m trying to say is that, just because one character needs to learn a lesson, that doesn’t make them impossible to understand or relate to. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

@geekgirles Thank you for that addition, you put a lot of my feelings about TWT and fandom's reaction to it into words. Also may I add, that neither movie ever portrayed Poppy as perfect. In both movies and Trolls Holiday Poppy needed other people help to achieve her goal, but she also was the one to set off change for the better.

One more example of Poppy's overconfidence being tied to insecurity: in B-rolls of the movie one of her cut lines is "my dad doesn't think I'm a good queen". We already know from the first movie that being a good queen is both her greatest hope and source of self-doubt. And here she is in TWT: acting queen, yet suddenly she learns that there are whole nations of other trolls and she, current ruler, is completely unaware of them, because her father was protecting her, as in thinking her not capable of dealing with the real world. That desperation to prove her worth as a queen, that only grew on her journey as she failed to save and connect with other tribes, does lead her to trying to fix things faster, without truly putting effort into listening and understanding. It is in the interaction with Barb that she finally gets to see her own actions from an outside perspective, finally fully understanding her mistake.

Also I wanted to point out how in TWT *both* Branch and Poppy still learn from each other. When they first arrive to classical village, Poppy's first thought is to save other trolls, complete strangers to her at this point, because she values all people by default, while Branch wants to hide everyone he knows into the bunker and hide with them from the world. Yet when they arrive into country town, it is Branch who can connect to others emotionally, while Poppy fails to do so. So we see how their minds and hearts are opposing both each other and themselves.

We all know about Poppy's growth, so I'll skip writing about it, but I want to point out, how Branch was able to actually reach out to other trolls, only when he accepted Poppy's mind stance. That moment with Reggaeton and Kpop trolls, when he says "all music should be protected", is him trying Poppy's tactic, thus his surprised face, when those different trolls respond to that positively.

Just wanted to add my two cents, but it seems I got carried away😅

@rmg91 inquired about me drawing ‘King Branch’ and…well…I’m sure this isn’t what anyone really had in mind. Instead of a singular, “okay”-looking picture, I ended up making a ten page scribble comic because of course I would. Uh…um…enjoy? I’ll see myself out. ; 3;

What a beautiful comic! The way Poppy talks to Branch to make feel that he is worth being a king. Their affection is so precious! I can’t wait to see Branch as a king in Trolls 3 🥰😍😁💙💖

@happyqueenandgrumpydork requested some kisses shared between Poppy and Branch…so of course I ran wild with the suggestion!  I think my favorite kiss iiiiiss….the one on the ear. >///<

UGH YES! ALL OF THESE! But for some reason my favorite is the nose kiss. Their nose to nose boops and kisses give me LIFE😭❤️

Uuuuggggghhh my heart!! 😭😭😭 My fav is the “kiss boo boo better” piggy back kisses 🥰🥰🥰🥰