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Floral Goth checkin in

@floralgothpersephone / floralgothpersephone.tumblr.com

I'm Rebecca (30s). I am in the Hadestown, Miraculous Ladybug, Teen Titans, and Akagami no Shirayukihime fandoms. I am also a fan of maps, pottery, music and all the ladies. Stick around to find out my next hyperfixation.

1. Suitcase Full of Summertime

Written for @sephweek prompt #1: Suitcase full of summertime.

Pairing: Hades/Persephone

Summary: Hades knows about her smuggling, and Persephone knows he knows.

Here he is, her man; he stares at her on the platform, eyes narrowed as he stares at her bulging suitcase.

“What’s all that, lover?” He asks, eyes wary. He knows, she thinks, that the workers have been getting some up-top indulgences. Knows, too, that there are only so many sources for dandelion wine.

Only two, really; her and her brother, who is a mischievous sort but perhaps the sort that even Hades knows isn’t going to cross a toe over the line with the God of the Dead. There are limits in who can be messed with, and God of the Dead ain’t such one.

Only one person, really, can toe that line, and they both know it’s her.

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This ADHD and Autism Venn Diagram was requested even more highly than the ADHD and PTSD diagram, and I finally got round to making it…

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I’m so glad this helped!! If anyone has anything else like this that they’d like me to make, then send an ask! I might not be able to help, but I’d like to try!

And yeah, I do have a Paypal; you’re so sweet! I’ll link it here.

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[Image 1 ID: A venn diagram by @tfw-adhd with a dark brown left circle labeled ‘ADHD’ and a tan right circle labeled ‘Autism’.

ADHD: Impulsivity, short attention span, poor working memory, poor planning skills, time blindness, depression when understimulated, little sense of danger, making careless mistakes, no motivation for tasks you are not interested in.

Autism: Taking things very literally, having the same routine and getting anxious if it changes, being uncomfortable with making eye contact with others, liking to carefully plan things before they happen, not understanding social “rules”, noticing small details that others do not, getting upset when someone touches you, getting very anxious about social situations.

Overlapping area: Sensory issues, hyperfixations, stimming, auditory processing disorder, talking a lot, finding it hard to make friends, emotional dysregulation, interrupting conversations, rejection sensitive, lack of object permanence, executive dysfunction, sleep problems.

/End ID]

[Image 2 ID: Screenshot of @gl44zed​‘s reply: “Thank you so much you don’t know how much I needed this. Do you have a PayPal so we can send you money for your work?”

/End ID]

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Oh. OH. OH SHIT

Please make a post about the story of the RMS Carpathia, because it's something that's almost beyond belief and more people should know about it.

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Carpathia received Titanic’s distress signal at 12:20am, April 15th, 1912. She was 58 miles away, a distance that absolutely could not be covered in less than four hours.

(Californian’s exact position at the time is…controversial. She was close enough to have helped. By all accounts she was close enough to see Titanic’s distress rockets. It’s uncertain to this day why her crew did not respond, or how many might not have been lost if she had been there. This is not the place for what-ifs. This is about what was done.)

Carpathia’s Captain Rostron had, yes, rolled out of bed instantly when woken by his radio operator, ordered his ship to Titanic’s aid and confirmed the signal before he was fully dressed. The man had never in his life responded to an emergency call. His goal tonight was to make sure nobody who heard that fact would ever believe it.

All of Carpathia’s lifeboats were swung out ready for deployment. Oil was set up to be poured off the side of the ship in case the sea turned choppy; oil would coat and calm the water near Carpathia if that happened, making it safer for lifeboats to draw up alongside her. He ordered lights to be rigged along the side of the ship so survivors could see it better, and had nets and ladders rigged along her sides ready to be dropped when they arrived, in order to let as many survivors as possible climb aboard at once.

I don’t know if his making provisions for there still being survivors in the water was optimism or not. I think he knew they were never going to get there in time for that. I think he did it anyway because, god, you have to hope.

Carpathia had three dining rooms, which were immediately converted into triage and first aid stations. Each had a doctor assigned to it. Hot soup, coffee, and tea were prepared in bulk in each dining room, and blankets and warm clothes were collected to be ready to hand out. By this time, many of the passengers were awake–prepping a ship for disaster relief isn’t quiet–and all of them stepped up to help, many donating their own clothes and blankets.

And then he did something I tend to refer to as diverting all power from life support.

Here’s the thing about steamships: They run on steam. Shocking, I know; but that steam powers everything on the ship, and right now, Carpathia needed power. So Rostron turned off hot water and central heating, which bled valuable steam power, to everywhere but the dining rooms–which, of course, were being used to make hot drinks and receive survivors. He woke up all the engineers, all the stokers and firemen, diverted all that steam back into the engines, and asked his ship to go as fast as she possibly could. And when she’d done that, he asked her to go faster.

I need you to understand that you simply can’t push a ship very far past its top speed. Pushing that much sheer tonnage through the water becomes harder with each extra knot past the speed it was designed for. Pushing a ship past its rated speed is not only reckless–it’s difficult to maneuver–but it puts an incredible amount of strain on the engines. Ships are not designed to exceed their top speed by even one knot. They can’t do it. It can’t be done.

Carpathia’s absolute do-or-die, the-engines-can’t-take-this-forever top speed was fourteen knots. Dodging icebergs, in the dark and the cold, surrounded by mist, she sustained a speed of almost seventeen and a half.

No one would have asked this of them. It wasn’t expected. They were almost sixty miles away, with icebergs in their path. They had a respondibility to respond; they did not have a responsibility to do the impossible and do it well. No one would have faulted them for taking more time to confirm the severity of the issue. No one would have blamed them for a slow and cautious approach. No one but themselves.

They damn near broke the laws of physics, galloping north headlong into the dark in the desperate hope that if they could shave an hour, half an hour, five minutes off their arrival time, maybe for one more person those five minutes would make the difference. I say: three people had died by the time they were lifted from the lifeboats. For all we know, in another hour it might have been more. I say they made all the difference in the world.

This ship and her crew received a message from a location they could not hope to reach in under four hours. Just barely over three hours later, they arrived at Titanic’s last known coordinates. Half an hour after that, at 4am, they would finally find the first of the lifeboats. it would take until 8:30 in the morning for the last survivor to be brought onboard. Passengers from Carpathia universally gave up their berths, staterooms, and clothing to the survivors, assisting the crew at every turn and sitting with the sobbing rescuees to offer whatever comfort they could.

In total, 705 people of Titanic’s original 2208 were brought onto Carpathia alive. No other ship would find survivors.

At 12:20am April 15th, 1912, there was a miracle on the North Atlantic. And it happened because a group of humans, some of them strangers, many of them only passengers on a small and unimpressive steam liner, looked at each other and decided: I cannot live with myself if I do anything less.

I think the least we can do is remember them for it.

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wow okay i’m crying now

“And even as he watched the rescue unfolding that morning, he would have understood that for the living, everything which could have been done had been done: not a single survivor was lost or injured being brought aboard the Carpathia. For those who had gone down with the Titanic, save for reverencing their memory at the service later that day, there was nothing more that he or anyone could do. Rostron’s duty now was as he always saw it: to the living.”

I looked up a bit about this because the post is so movingly written that when I read it aloud to my husband and mother they both wept like babies, and something else really struck me about this story.

So Carpathia was not a top-end luxury liner. Her reputation was for being Jolly Comfortable - she was very broad in her proportions, and not super-duper fast, and the result was that she didn’t rock so much on the waves and you couldn’t particularly hear/feel the engines. She was solid and dependable, and lots of people liked using her, but she therefore occupied a lesser niche than Titanic or Olympian or whatever - and crucially, as a result of that, she only had one radio operator on board. This means she only had radio ops for a certain window in the day, unlike Titanic, which had 24 hour radio ops.

So on that night, when Titanic went down, Carpathia’s wireless operator - one Harold Cottam - clocked off his shift at midnight, and went to bed. While he was getting ready for bed, though, he left the transmitter on for the hell of it, and therefore picked up a transmission from Cape Race in Newfoundland, the closest transmitting tower sending messages to the ships. They told him that they had a backlog of private traffic for Titanic that wasn’t getting through. So, even though his shift was over, and it was now 11 minutes past bloody midnight, and he just wanted to go to bed, Harold Cottam decided that nonetheless, he’d be helpful, and let the Titanic know they had messages waiting.

And that’s how he received the Titanic’s distress signal. In spite of no longer being on shift to receive it, and therefore in order to send Carpathia galloping to Titanic’s rescue, and thus saving 705 people.

All because Harold Cottam decided one night to be kind. 

I dunno. That’s just really stuck with me.

Cottam also ended up staying awake for something like 48 hours straight trying to send survivors messages and a list of survivors home, but due to Carpathia’s limited radio frequency range and with no other ships to act as a relay, this was rather patchy. However, he tried his damn best to make sure the survivor’s messages got home, and was also bombarded with incoming messages of bribes to spill the details of the disaster to the press.

Rostrum had ordered that no messages to the press be sent out of respect to the survivors, for they would have their privacy destroyed as soon as they reached New York. Cottam respected this order, even under extreme duress of fatigue, stress, and the knowledge that in some cases the bribes were almost three times his annual salary.

He eventually went to bed but not before working with one of the rescued Titanic’s radio operators, Harold Bride, to transmit as many messages as possible. Bride was injured (his feet had been crushed in a lifeboat) and had just passed the body of the second of Titanic’s radio operators aboard (Jack Phillips), so neither of them were really in the best shape to keep working, but they did.

In the face of extreme adversity, both men refused to do anything but their duty (and exceeding their duty) not just because Rostrum had ordered it, but because it was the right thing to do. They could have profited considerably from the disaster and they refused for the dignity of the survivors.

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This is hopepunk. This is what we can be, what we are, when instinct takes over. This is what we are when we choose to care about each other. We’re not profit machines or units of production or lone fierce wolves in a bitter wilderness. We are people, and we care about people.

This is human nature. Don’t give up on it.

Hopepunk is best punk.

this always leaves me sobbing. fuck.

I wrote a post a couple of years ago, wondering why there hadn’t been a documentary or docu-drama about the ‘Carpathia’ rescue run.

There are probably sound reasons why not, one of which is probably that getting yet another ‘Titanic’ project greenlit is far easier - name recognition, pre-sold property, multiple conspiracy theories to play with (all discredited, but when did that stop the “History” Channel?)

Here are a couple of stories about ‘Carpathia’:

As @mylordshesacactus has already said, her boilers and engines were rated for no more than 14 knots and, when she managed 17.5 for the only time in her life it’s said (I hate the phrase but I have to use it) that the Chief Engineer hung his hat over the main pressure gauge so no-one - including himself - could see how far its needle was into the red.

Captain Rostron, a religious man, was seen on several occasions standing privately on the exposed bridge wing with his own hat raised and his mouth moving in silent prayer, and when daylight revealed the extent of the ice-field his ship had passed without harm, he only said “There must have been another Hand on the wheel than mine…

There’s another problem-of-sorts about a screenplay set aboard ‘Carpathia’ - an astonishing lack of that easy dramatic tool, conflict. Captain Rostron decided he was going to the ‘Titanic’s assistance, and that was that. AFAIK not a single passenger or crewman - not one - questioned the wisdom of his decision either then or afterwards, even when…

‘Carpathia’ headed at more than full speed, in the dark, through dangerous waters where an iceberg had apparently just sunk an “unsinkable” ship.

It’s easier to write - and sell - a story about pride, arrogance, stupidity, rich against poor and lives lost through hubris, than it is to write one about people who rallied round and did the right thing at the right time, not for reward but because it was the right thing to do.

Here’s Rostron and his officers…

…the ‘Carpathia’ stewards and cabin crew….

…some of her passengers…

…and some of the people they helped.

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I will always reblog one of the few posts to GUARANTEE leaving me in an ugly sobbing heartfelt mess.

Godspeed Carpathia and your crew, your memories live on.

Offense intended, some of you are dumb

Like some of you are whole adults who still believe that the world operates in extremes of What Is Good and What Is Bad and that these things exist at polar opposite ends of a straight road, where every possible morally ambiguous thing must fit tidily along that line.

Someone will make the very reasonable point that Hollywood is oversexualised and often sex scenes in movies are uncomfortable because the tone and characterisations don't support the plot halting for sex, and it's clear the (usually male) director just inserted the scene for his own gratification, often with an unevenly sexualized attention on the women in the scene, sometimes demeaning or undermining that woman's character arc... and some of you demons will respond to that like "Bah! You naive puritan! Go marry the Hayes code if you love it so much!"

And equally someone else will make the valid point that sex and eroticism should be explorable in media, particularly to increase representation for queer/disabled/poc groups who often have limited (or no) sexual agency in mainstream media, and these scenes should not be subject to censorship... and some self described Smol Bean on this site will tell you that sex is never necessary on screen and you can just "suggest" that these "activities" are happening

And instead of being moderate and critically thinking individuals, thousands of you will just grab your pitchforks and flock to one of these two extreme reactions as being the "correct" mentality, sending hate (Why??) to people who disagree with you as if any of us here have meaningful power over how sex is handled in popular media

Any way long story short you're being dumb

ever since i heard the phrase “outrage addiction” a *lot* of online behavior has really been clicking into place for me. because like, righteous anger feels good. to feel like you’re fighting for a cause is another avenue for dopamine production. and places like twitter and facebook get that and understand that outrage is a great method for maintaining engagement on their platform, which is why their algorithms drive it. but republicans also understand it and have been using it as their core political strategy for decades, and you see it replicated on this hellsite plenty as well, although probably less consciously/more organically than elsewhere. it feels good to be justifiably angry and to tear something down, and i think a lot of users have begun to seek that out without realizing that’s what they’re doing.

PSA to everybody: Dialectical thinking will save your sanity and your soul.

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He caught a glimpse of them together in one of Zeus’ mirrors and stopped, stumbling over himself. He was smiling. He looked happy. Persephone, catching just what he looked at, leaned in closer, touching his chest and staring at their combined picture.

“’S a nice couple, ain’t they?” She asked. He stared at the picture, swallowed. He looked as he always did, but in his arms, she looked radiant.

“Yeah,” he said; he couldn’t say anything else, the words too caught up in his throat. She pressed in close; he smiled, looking at them both.

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Maybe I love this fic a little more than I should but it’s so cool to reread it in chronological order.

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Archeologist 20,000 years after horses go extinct: *cries* I don’t

That comment is one of the most accurate things in studying history.

I can feel the pain already

Sometimes when I'm high I like to imagine arguments in the far future about what kind of milk or eggs were in our recipes. I hope the main opposing factions would be divided over whether the milk was from dogs or cats because "what other mammals were in the vast majority of households back then?"

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One of the details that has stuck with me from Bill Bryson’s book about domestic history is how, in early salt-and-pepper shaker sets--from around the time Europeans first started putting salt and pepper on the table--there is a third container, and nobody is entirely sure what it was for.  

There are some highly plausible guesses--sugar is one of them; I forget the others--but the extant textual references to these items just say, “salt, pepper, etc.” 

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Back to the original post, in Poland we still say 'Everyone can plainly see what a horse looks like', and it means 'there's nothing to discuss here, everything is clear and obvious'. Benedykt Chmielowski, the venerable priest who wrote the compendium of knowledge, also provided this very brief definition of a dragon: "It is difficult to defeat a dragon, but one must try."

what I really like about all these vintage couple’s portraits is that there is a very certain romatic decorum kept up – certain themes and poses – which, while of course being the mainstream preferred view of couples repeated throughout many studios, are just… so nice to look at. 

this staged affection, a mix of theatricality and intimacy, the couple holding still for a couple of moments and now immortalised in a very set sequence of embraces and kisses. there is a charm to it even when I can’t tell whether this was a genuine couple portait or just actors hired by the photographer.

the kiss on the bare shoulder (eyes perfectly averted), the cheek caress, the piano and the violin, the interrupted embrace, the woman tilted back as in a half-stopped dance…

I simply must torment you a bit with these, let us see some of my personal favourites! (part one due to the image limit)

let us start with the kiss on the cheek (eyes averted! oh the pose! these were taken between 1910-1940)

or the nearly opposite energy (how daring!) of the kiss or caress with direct eye contact (1910-1930)

and then the innocent – yet so flirty – classic of the park encounter! (1890-1920)

and then the famed kiss on the bare shoulder – what an idea, what a vibe, such intimacy! (1910-1930)

and oh, I am not done, look at this – the adoration of the woman! look at this expression, this pose, this decorum! (1910-1940)

and then some of my favourites from the more playful or direct category, enjoy (1910-1930):

and, at last (thank you for still being here and witnessing my recent fascination with vintage polish photography) my three absolute favourites outside of any particular categories (1910-1930)

just look at her. just look.

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"I know everyone has said this since the beginning of time but THIS [change in popular writing or art] really IS vacuous and isn't REAL [art of my preferred type] and if you consume it then [dire warning containing stereotypes of people consuming this art]" is never original or interesting.

You can't shame people into liking what you like. Sometimes I want long dry books on Phoenician culture and history and sometimes pew pew quip quip walk-and-talk pew pew shiny fast. And that's just how it is.

I’m pretty sure most people know that (granted it’s not everyone but still.) I for one get frustrated by the pew pew quip quip stuff less for its own sake and more for what it’s done to an industry. Same as I get occasionally frustrated at Amazon for the level of decimation it inflicts while still understanding that most people I know are gonna buy from there.

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Okay. I had to set aside some time to actually answer this:

You'd be shocked how many people, especially middle-aged cishet white men and Young Intellectuals Of Great Vigor, do not know that and consider themselves truly different from all the other arguments about the Decline of Cinema.

Downing on comic book movies or cartoons for being formulaic and being run by capitalists who are exploiting artists for profit and destroying art is... like...

That's not a new discussion either, and treating it like it is, or like artistic merit and commercial exploitation are tied together, actually undercuts any meaningful arguments about exploitative industries and how to address them.

The issue isn't that Marvel movies (for example) are ruining the movie industry because they're bad movies -- and that argument is facile on its face, because have you seen the shit that the studio system pumped out in the Golden Age of Cinema that didn't stand the test of time? -- the thing that's destroying the movie industry, as much as anything is because that industry has always been exploitative and horribly damaging, is Disney's grip on the industry.

But, and here's the thing: the quality or nature of the movies that they make is secondary in importance and irrelevant to that point, and conflating those two things completely undercuts the salient points to be made about how it is harmful for anything to be monopolized.

Disney controlling the share of the market that they do is a problem no matter what kind of movies they make. Disney making Marvel movies is only something they're "doing" to the industry because the reliance on CGI means that special effects are being pushed to a part of the industry that isn't unionized. The movies themselves are irrelevant to that. How good the plots are, whether you think it's some sort of pablum fed to the plebs and not good movies like they used to make or whatever: that's all bluntly irrelevant, and here's why:

The entertainment industry has always been abusive, and boiling down anything to "this one company is a problem because of this reason" or "these movies are indicative of a new problem" totally misses the abuse inherent in the industry as it exists. The fact that this abuse has existed for over a century, only mutating its form from company to company, and you think the problem is "Marvel movies" or "Disney" and not that the industry itself is a self-protecting abuse factory which has taken advantage of artists, actors, and workers for a hundred fucking years, is part of the problem.

The "Golden Age of Hollywood" forced women of color to bleach their skin and change their names. The "studio system" chewed people up and spit them out. Morale clauses and a pervasive culture of sexual abuse, harassment, and the "casting couch" caused untold horrors for anyone capable of becoming pregnant or seen as "liable" if an affair came out.

Hollywood then churned out an incredible amount of crap, most of which either doesn't exist anymore due to poorly-archived film or has simply been lost to time. The industry continues to roll on over child stars and queers and other marginalized people as it has for decades, and every generation thinks that they've discovered the real problem which is really making movies now somehow uniquely bad, and somehow a result of a new problem company/genre, rather than a continuation of an abusive system which continues to perpetuate the same harms decade over decade. The industry seeks out a new thing it can latch onto, a new way to suck the marrow out of an unprotected group/process/etc., and then sinks its teeth into it.

And all of that? That has fuck all to do with whether the movies being made have shiny people in tight suits in them, and everything to do with capitalism, and conflating the two things makes you look like a humorless prig who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about, so people totally disregard you because what you're saying is... irrelevant.

Don't get it fucking twisted. It doesn't matter whether it's Marvel, and it doesn't matter what kind of movies are being made. It really doesn't. There has always been popular entertainment, and there have always been people bemoaning what popular entertainment is "doing" to the industry/the minds of children/our ability to understand Complex Narratives with Real Symbolism.

That is actually not a fucking problem. Honestly, it isn't. People who like to watch Serious Movies will watch Serious Movies, people who want to watch Shiny Entertainment will watch Shiny Entertainment; there will be crossover between Shiny Entertainment and Serious Movies, which some people will love and some people will hate.

What Disney is doing to the industry has nothing to do with the quality or type of entertainment it produces and everything to do with the exploitation of workers it uses to do it, and pretending that this exploitation is somehow new or different and not a rehash of every other segment of the entertainment industry, or indeed of every large industry in our economy, is foolish and distracts people from seeing the massive abusive machinery underpinning everything.

It's not Marvel movies ruining shit, it's capitalism.

In 1963, while doing renovations on his home, a man broke through an exterior bedroom wall in his home and discovered a tunnel entrance. What he found behind that wall stunned historians, archeologists and the world. The lost ancient underground city of Derinkuyu had been discovered. A multilevel series of rooms, carved from the soft volcanic rock in the Cappadocia region of Turkey, Derinkuyu extends to a depth of over 200ft. Believed to have been constructed by the Phrygians, an Indo-European people originally from the Balkan region, it dates back to the 8th Century BCE. Capable of holding up to 20,000 people, Derinkuyu had rooms for food stores, livestock, schools, kitchens, living and sleeping quarters and sanitary facilities. Small tunnels carved up to the surface allowed ventilation throughout the city. Entrance tunnels were carefully hidden in the hills surrounding Derinkuyu and connected to the city. One of these tunnels were discovered in 1963 when workers removed the bedroom wall. It is believed the city was originally carved as an escape from marauding Arab armies in 9th Century BCE and continued over the next several hundred years. The city was used often as a refuge during the Byzantine Era of the 5th through the 10 Century CE.

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Rosemary? You mean spicy pine needles?

Are you insinuating that regular pine needles aren’t spicy???

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Regular pine needles are regular

Not by rosemary standards

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…Have you eaten pine needles?

We’ve been friends for like four years, do you seriously have to ask if I’ve eaten pine needles or not

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I mean I’m pretty sure you have but I don’t want to assume

Of course I’ve eaten pine needles. Various kinds. Singleleaf pinyon is weirdly the best

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Are they…

spicy?

You know, I’d love to tell you but I’m pretty unclear about what marks the difference between “spice” and “strong-tasting plant that isn’t considered a spice”

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I’ll have to eat some pine needles myself then to find out

Ok but it only counts if they’re PINE needles and not just any old needle-like leaf off a tree

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I’m going to eat every needle-like leaf I see

Please Don’t Do That

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Needle-Like Leaf Roulette

…I’ll accept this plan as long as you promise not to eat any yew leaves.

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I can try very hard not to

Pine needles are distinguished by the presence of a sheath-like structure at the base of the leaf, almost always holding bundles of two or more leaves. Yews don’t have the sheath thing

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It’s time for me to go out into the woods and stare at needle leaves

Finally you can gain real insight into my average daily life

this conversation reads like two shakespeare characters who come out in the middle of the play to talk about something completely unrelated for comic relief and then are never heard from again

god fucking dammit gimme a minute

Enter AERUH and MALUS SYL-VESTRIS, a pair of JESTERS.

AERUH I tell thee, rosemary is like a pine but with a spicy taste.

MALUS                         Art thou to claim that needles base of pine have not a spice?

AERUH A needle base of pine is merely base.

MALUS ‘Tis not when held, comparing, to anthos.

AERUH My dearest Malus, needles thou'st eaten?

MALUS How many moons have we as friends seen rise? How many suns have we as friends seen set? Thou sixteen seasons in my heart I’ve held, and hope that I in thine hast been the same. With brotherhood as rich and old as this, thou needst not ask me such frivolities.

AERUH I know thou likely has, to tell the truth, but I would not assume.

MALUS                       Well, yes, I have. A multitude of types I’ve eaten too. I’ll tell thee now: the best (though it is strange) is single-leaf pinyon.

AERUH                     And it has spice?

MALUS I truly wish that I could tell thee this, but now, i'faith, I cannot fully tell, the difference in classifying thus: to say “has spice” or merely “herbal strength”.

AERUH To tell this tale most clearly it would seem that eating needles from a pine’s required.

MALUS Aye, it would seem that that’s the task at hand, but caution tells that this is what’s to do: eat only needles of the honest pine, and none of lying leaf with pinelike shape.

AERUH I’ll eat them all.

MALUS                   I prithee, stay thyself.

AERUH Roulette with leaves.

MALUS                     At least restrain from yew.

AERUH I’ll do my best.

MALUS                That is all can we do. The scholars tell that needles true of pine can be distinguished from the lying yew by sheathlike clothing all along the base; the yew has no such guard.

AERUH                          With this new truth I now will venture out into the wood and seek the pines and pinelike fakes alike to stare them down and learn their secret truths.

MALUS With this thou canst at long and weary last Discover for thyself my life’s own path.

Exeunt.

Enter MACDUFF.

MACDUFF. Yo dudes that king there’s dead. Like dead as FUCK.

guys check ao3 for interview with the vampire fics bc apparently there’s 65 pgs worth of it now, being dated back to 1995.

I’m just hoping her estate doesn’t follow in her wishes. Maybe I’m just negative but I wouldn’t trust it until we find out what her heirs have planned.

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There’s nothing they can do, if the fics are posted to AO3 and aren’t being posted for any kind of monetary gain (which they shouldn’t be because AO3 doesn’t allow that for exactly this reason).

Because here’s the first thing: fanfiction falls under fair use, for reasons, which is why so much of it exists and you don’t hear many stories about people being sued for it or creators coming after fans anymore. You’ve technically been able to post fanfic of Anne Rice stuff, but here’s the second thing: although plenty of people did post anyway, people often didn’t out of either respect for her wishes (because she was expressly against fanfic authors writing about her characters, a stance I’m given to understand she reversed in her later years) or the fandom genetic-memory fear that she would personally try to come for them.

But here’s the third thing: the estate can’t come for you directly unless you list direct contact info on AO3. Because what are they going to do? Leave a comment with a takedown notice, with no way to know if you have notifications turned on? No! AO3 has no native way to directly contact any of the authors archiving their work there. If they want to get to you, they have to go through AO3, and as long as you’re following AO3’s rules (which again are literally in place to protect you against exactly this kind of thing and specifically protect you from this actual person/estate, as her history is part of the reason AO3 exists) AO3 is going to tell them they have no ability to make you take it down. You actually won’t hear from the estate for posting on AO3, because AO3 would be the ones dealing with it for you.

So like. Take a moment and appreciate the folks who are posting freshly because they feel safer with her gone, sure. But also take a moment to appreciate that AO3 exists and protects us, and has been protecting us from their first day.

& then maybe go drop them a couple bucks to help keep the lights on so they can keep doing so.

they absolutely could sue if they pursue through whoever owns copyright ownership now and AO3 decides not to react to initial requests or dmca (i don’t know why they would invite that upon themselves)

whether you make money from it or not doesn’t change a thing and i don’t know AO3 but unless they specifically have some kind of litigation fund, precisely for this, i don’t know why they would be uniquely nonresponsive to dmca

the only reason why fanfiction doesn’t get sued into nonexistance is because ip owners choose not to pursue most of the time. probably because there’s no profit potential in doing so, like there is in other forms of content creation

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“I don’t know AO3” is the most accurate thing you just said. They do, in fact have a legal team specifically for dealing with exactly this.

Additionally, when I said fanfiction falls under “fair use” I wasn’t just saying it was fair game. The USA (which is where this matters because that’s where Anne was and where I’m pretty sure AO3 is) has a doctrine within copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without having to acquire permission from the copyright holder. Fair Use is used as a defense to copyright infringement claims on some things that might otherwise be considered infringement- like fanfiction.

And it’s even ABLE to be used as a defense wrt fanfiction because one of the things used to defend fanfiction is that it is transformative/derivative.

Works of fanfiction are more likely to constitute fair use if they are “transformative” with respect to the original work, if they are non-commercial, if they appropriate relatively little of the original work, and/or if they do not tend to detract from the potential market for or value of the original work.

Which is why being not-for-profit isn’t, as you seem to think, not important. It’s actually quite literally one of the backbones of why fanfiction is typically considered fair use and able to be produced and shared publicly without actually breaking copyright laws.

As for the AO3 stuff, there’s an entire article on Wikipedia with more and more accurate explanations about what happened and why, but here’s an important excerpt of it, with bold added by me for the deeply relevant bits:

[In 2007], a group of fans who engage in creating fan works and are part of the larger fan community founded the Organization for Transformative Works (OTW).[37] OTW has since advocated the legitimacy of fan fiction due its transformative nature. OTW’s position is that fan fiction and other fan labor products constitute copyright fair use under 17 U.S.C. § 107 because they add “new meaning and messages to the original” work,[38] and thus fall under the exemption to U.S. copyright law the Supreme Court defined in Campbell[39] and which was later revisited and followed in Suntrust.[40] OTW’s vision includes seeing “all fannish works recognized as legal and transformative and … accepted as a legitimate creative activity.”[41] Toward this end OTW works to educate fan writers and published writers about copyright laws, particularly the open legal questions around fan fiction and other fan works.
OTW also maintains its own fan fiction archive, the Archive of Our Own, commonly called AO3. All fan fiction on the site is recognized as non-profit derivative works.[42] 

It’s not that AO3 is “unresponsive” to DMCA/copyright notifications. What I meant was that the org that runs AO3, the OTW, is willing and ready, legally, to go to bat for fandom and for the rights of fanfiction authors to produce and publicly share fanfiction without profit (and are actually even working to change copyright laws to specifically protect fanfiction authors). If you’re following the rules AO3 set forth and someone wants to come for something you posted on AO3, they will almost certainly have to go through AO3’s legal dept, and AO3 is ready for them. Because the OTW knows that when someone comes for one of us, they come for all of us.

So… as long as we sticking to the rules of fair use, CAN someone try to come for us on AO3? Enngh. Well, maybe you’re right, they can try, I suppose- if they want an expensive headache that is very likely to go nowhere… but I don’t think even the rat has crossed that boundary.

And as a last point, I just want to reiterate: the majority of people that have waited to post, waited out of respect for Anne’s historical stance or out of a valid historical fear that has not applied in a while anyway. Anne actually reversed her stance from trying to disallow fanfiction to saying what amounts to “I was afraid of it a long time ago, and I still don’t understand it now, but you do you.” So like, just on that alone, I doubt the estate would do anything in the first place.

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unless they specifically have some kind of litigation fund, precisely for this, i don’t know why they would be uniquely nonresponsive to dmca

They have a litigation TEAM precisely for this.

They are indeed willing to be nonresponsive to a DMCA notice that comes down to “this is fanfic of my work and I believe that infringes my copyright.” (They will respond to a DMCA notice that’s “this is my work, which I wrote, and someone else has posted it here without my consent.”)

And note that: in 13+ years of activity, they have faced ZERO lawsuits.

Not a single fanatic author, not a single media corporation, not a single band or recording company, has filed a copyright infringement suit aimed at AO3.

Huh. Lookit that. As soon as a fic archive was willing to say “um, no, I don’t think that’s illegal; if you think it is, meet me in court” - they all backed down.

(The previous issue wasn’t “Rice sued fans.” It was “Rice threatened fans - and sent notices to archive sites like ff.net.” And those sites removed or banned stories based on her works, without looking into the actual legalities.)

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So here’s a fun fact most of my followers probably don’t know about me:

I was involved in the DCMA hearings that gave fan-made music videos protected status as an official fair-use exception to federal copyright law!

The lawyers who defended fanvids at that hearing are on the OTW’s legal team, and in fact helped found the OTW/AO3.

One of my old fanvids [x] is directly cited in the Library of Congress’ official recommendation [x] (page 60 footnote 213) dictating how fair use laws should be applied in their 2010 ruling [x]:

Exemption to Prohibition on Circumvention of Copyright Protection Systems for Access Control Technologies AGENCY: Copyright Office, Library of Congress. ACTION: Final rule ________________________________________________________ SUMMARY: The Librarian of Congress announces that the prohibition against circumvention of technological measures that effectively control access to copyrighted works shall not apply to persons who engage in noninfringing uses of six classes of copyrighted works. EFFECTIVE DATE: July 27, 2010s. […] III. The Designated Classes A. Motion pictures on DVDs that are lawfully made and acquired and that are protected by the Content Scrambling System when circumvention is accomplished solely in order to accomplish the incorporation of short portions of motion pictures into new works for the purpose of criticism or comment, and where the person engaging in circumvention believes and has reasonable grounds for believing that circumvention is necessary to fulfill the purpose of the use in the following instances: • Educational uses by college and university professors and by college and university film and media studies students; • Documentary filmmaking; • Noncommercial videos.

You can find the documents linked above on the US Copyright Office’s official website under section 1201 of Title 17 of the United States Code: https://www.copyright.gov/1201/

actually no more feminist retellings we have progressed past the need for feminist retellings

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I have a lot of opinions about feminist retellings but the big issue I have is that all of them I’ve seen fail in one of three ways

1) erase all sexism and in doing so reinforce sexism (Persephone) - like, there’s something. Uncomfortable for me about taking a story that is largely about female solidarity in the face of male cruelty and sexism and making it about being a girlboss™️

2) Erase all sexism to prop up a man (song of Achilles) - in trying for a retelling where a previously sexist character is now magically good to women™️ compared to the world he inhabits is so frustrating to read bc like. Sexism is real - and I’d rather have a story genuinely address that rather than going “well, women are still treated horrifically but not by my protagonist who is good™️ and walked out of the 21st century with a killer moral code!!”

3) reduce all complex women to being good and perfect and powerful - this is probably my least favourite bc like. Women are complex and difficult and at times make bad choices and struggle. It’s not enjoyable for me to read a retelling where a woman just. Never does anything wrong or suffers or struggles.

Edit - also like, while you can technically remove misogyny from a work, when you’re retelling a work written in a misogynistic time, you can’t just. Remove the surface level sexism and expect the story to work - the underlying traces always remain, and that’s just. How many Greek myth feminist retellings fail

i'm not sure tsoa is meant to be feminist, but yeah-- "feminist" is a lofty goal and it would be better to just aim to write stories about... people, including women

my condolences to the op of that usamericans dont put their country when writing out their addresses post. the notes are sooooo funny

i think we should start the celsius vs. fahrenheit discourse again

its like performance art. mwah

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SEVENTH GRADE???? SEVENTH?????? 12-13 YEAR OLDS DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES????????????????

HELLO????? YOU WHAT????

PLEASE say sike. please god i want this to be a very elaborate joke so badly. does it not just come up in general? like casually from adults in your life?

I think it depends on where in the US you live, I grew up like an hour from the Canadian border, and the Main route from Quebec to the only good beach in the North East goes through my hometown, so knowing about Canada was a thing. Formal education where we talked about current events was 4th-5th grade. (I didn’t think England was an actual place that still existed until around then. Little me thought everyone died because of Plague and only the Pilgrims who came to to US survived. Little me was kinda stupid)

ITT: people around the world discover the effects of half of America’s politicians waging an actual decades-long policy war against public education