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Maximize Social Atomization At All Costs

@fatpinocchio / fatpinocchio.tumblr.com

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jadagul

Death Note poll is gone for understandable reasons, but I had something I wanted to say about it.

The question was, if you have a Death Note, where you can kill people untraceably and without consequence, would you ever use it? And I feel like this starts running up against the Superman Problem.

Like, if you're Superman, how could you not use your power to improve things? You can save people. You can protect their rights. You can stop genocides and end wars. And with that power, how could you not use and still sleep at night?

But if you're Superman, how could you use your power like that? If you do anything, you're effectively making yourself Emperor of the World, right? If you stop wars, you're setting yourself up as an authority over governments. If you stop some wars, you're setting yourself up as an authority over governments who's okay with war. If you stop some crimes, but not others, you're tacitly endorsing those crimes; if you stop all crimes you're creating a horrifying totalitarian police state.

If you had the Death Note power, surely there would be easy ways to use it for good. There's a gunman holding a school full of children hostage; surely it's right to stop him? But then, surely Putin is doing more damage to the world than that gunman is; should you kill him too? But I'm pretty sure we'd be better off, on the whole, if Clarence Thomas happened to die of a heart attack this month.

And where do you stop?

But if you never start, then you have to sit there knowing you could have stopped that gunman from killing those kids, and you chose not to.

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fatpinocchio

Why stop anywhere?

There are some practical concerns. Maybe I don't set myself up as emperor because I want to live a quiet life and not draw attention to myself. Also, the Death Note doesn't give me any special insights into guilt and innocence, or any relevant knowledge of policy, so there's a constraint on how much I can use the power to improve things. I might want to ask others for their informed opinions, but they'd eventually notice a correlation between their judgments and people dropping dead, and then they'd have an incentive to feed me information that gets me to kill the people they want.

But that aside, if I'm confident that a target is a gunman or a dictator, I'm breaking out the Death Note.

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fatpinocchio

voximperatoris said: Like what? Carver, I hardly know her?

About it being a failure of nominative determinism. To my knowledge, he had never carved George Washington, nor made carvings of George Washington, nor led American carvers in a revolt against the Association of English Woodworkers.

That's because "George Washington Carver" wasn't his real name:

By his own account, the next morning he met a kind woman, Mariah Watkins, from whom he wished to rent a room. When he identified himself as "Carver's George", as he had done his whole life, she replied that from now on his name was "George Carver"...
During his time spent in Minneapolis, there was another George Carver in town, which caused confusion over receiving mail. Carver chose a middle initial at random and began requesting letters to him be addressed to George W. Carver. Someone once asked if the "W" stood for Washington, and Carver grinned and said, "Why not?" However, he never used Washington as his middle name, and signed his name as either George W. Carver or simply George Carver.
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fatpinocchio

voximperatoris said: Like what? Carver, I hardly know her?

About it being a failure of nominative determinism. To my knowledge, he had never carved George Washington, nor made carvings of George Washington, nor led American carvers in a revolt against the Association of English Woodworkers.

This other guy has to be the biggest failure of nominative determinism, though:

Alfred Deutsch-German (1870–1943) was an Austrian journalist, playwright, screenwriter, and film director... Following the Nazi takeover, the Jewish Deutsch-German went into exile in France.
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"These tea-tasting people are just like lizards," Sen. Reid declared in 1995, comparing the board to critters he said he'd catch as a kid, ones whose tails would grow back even after they were yanked off.

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jadagul

So does OKC have an unusually leftist userbase; does the match algorithm match me with unusually leftist people; or do the longer profiles just mean that more people wind up expressing their leftism more clearly and aggressively?

Because I really think the median profile I see mentions the need to destroy capitalism or something like that.

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fatpinocchio

Are you only looking at poly people? If so, it's probably because of that.

Not that there are many mono right-wingers on OkCupid, but at least they exist.

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floofshy

In America, a collectivist culture, it is considered important for people to know and feel regret for the crimes of their biological or genetic ancestors. In contrast, the Japanese, a individualistic culture, feel that impulse far less so.

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I'm usually against the welfare state, but I'm okay with disability payments to console gamers.

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fatpinocchio

Death: Yes, it’s true, you can play the game of your choice against me in a doomed attempt to prolong your life. Except for Artifact - no way I’m paying for those card packs!

Now that Artifact is free, Death can play it in official lore:

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floofshy

the nasty sub-culture problem

  1. if you go to the "insulting each other club" it is obvious that complaining about the insults is silly. You went there. It is like complaining about seeing breasts when you go to the topless bar.
  2. Is the "insulting each other club" allowed to play tennis? It seems a bit strange to insist that they have to just sit in a room and do nothing.
  3. If the "insulting each other club" plays tennis enough, they are effectively a tennis club, but it would be weird to say "you are morally allowed to play tennis once a month but not 8 times."
  4. oh no! I went to the local tennis club and they insulted me and each other constantly! We need to fix the toxicity in this tennis club!

"tennis" and "insults" are an arbitrary and fictional example. Replace with "sculpture" and "nudism", or "reading books" and "speaking only in Latin". Or in the generic case, "unrelated hobby" and "commonly unacceptable but permitted with consent" idk the solution to this

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fatpinocchio

Impractical solution: they're required to insult each other more than they play tennis.

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dagothcares

I think Fate would be a better story, if Artoria explicitly stated she would use her wish to unite the British isles under a Welsh king.

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fatpinocchio

Fate but Saber is a Welsh stereotype.

"Shirou, are there any sheep around? I need to do some mana transfer."

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Frank, how will the world end?

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According to various models, the world could end in any of a number of ways:

  • Nuclear war
  • Ice age
  • Super supervolcano
  • Massive extinction of biosphere-critical species
  • Galaxy supernova ejecting all protons
  • Solar system smashed into black hole
  • Cambrian explosion II
  • Decay of the vacuum induced by protons on the edge of the event horizon
  • Burning ghost solar system
  • Extreme parton fusion in the 10 TeV region
  • Fatally damaging freeze on the free neutrons in the dibaryon in the resonance transition
  • All mammals moved to the men's room
  • Slippery slope that leads to a slippery slope to a slippery slope
  • Impact of a strangelet
  • Apocalyptic engine failure
  • Semantic satiation
  • Creation of hyperdense E8 vacuum bubble
  • First autocatalytic bacterial thermodynamic planet
  • They take offense to being called 'the three stars.'
  • Superconducting life forms would then try to infect us with their atoms
  • Water world
  • Drift in starship crew culture
  • Octanium dominates as a cooling agent for superconductors
  • Orgone energy blows past limit of Yudkowsky novel
  • We were going to write about the end of the world, and then we forgot that we were going to write about the end of the world.
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