God: In the end, both Aziraphale and Crowley realized that they did not need to share physical consummation, as those 6000 years shared together already symbolized their eternal love for each other well enough.

finally finished this comic after working on it for the past few days! If youd love to see more fully colored stuff from me please support me at Ko-fi!

ANYWAY, Aziraphale is a filthy little bastard whose bookshop contains all the volumes in the Vatican's secret naughty library. And he and Crowley fuck like weasels on crank. :)

when i was a teenager it felt very revolutionary to be cruel to myself. like some kind of slow passive protest against how much everything hurt. i starved myself of sleep and food and tenderness because it felt right. it felt sharp and angry and radical and i wanted to be those things. adulthood is the realisation that the world is already working to cut into you well before you learn how to do it yourself. caring for yourself and others is the real protest

LISTEN.

Care for yourself… unless you derive enjoyment out of slash, and then you get boneheaded antis like whenthesecondson whining that you want to read or write about dicks touching instead of reading about pure wholesome awesumb laideez.

Like what is up with teenage girls out there straight up glorifying m/m friendships with unspoken romantic undertones like somehow they as women benefit from it at all like... and then they start stanning the actors who play the characters even though they too have nothing to do with it, and the stanning eventually turns into weird inappropriate crushes on men not only 2-3 times older than them but who also aren't even attractive or decent as people as well??

Like why are young girls so obsessed with ugly older men who play characters who have a bromance with other ugly older men. What's the point of that. What do you get out of it.

These days we have more and more female-centric stories with actual well-developed characters, women of different ethnicities and orientations doing all kinds of things in all kinds of genres .... And yet you girls choose shit like GOOD OMENS to go crazy over.

That fucking show doesn't even have good storytelling. Everyone is a shitty men and the three only female characters are poorly fleshed out stereotypes who then go on to date gross men who don't deserve them in true needboi fantasy fashion. It reads like a children's story that y'all are too old for but you all go crazy for it bc silly incompetent uglyboi 1 and tenth-doctor-but-meaner (a bit) chat a lot. That's it. They CHAT a lot, that's basically all they do, and then Neil Gaiman, in fucking JK Rowling fashion, says it was meant to be gay and you all flip out like it's the best thing you've ever heard. Like what the hell?? How do you all agree to obsess over something like that?

Anyway, so long story short, after my Tumblr has been inundated with good omens stans I finally decided to give it a chance. And oh boi was it a disappointment even beyond what I, someone who's been on this website since the days of superwholock, could have expected.

So yes, now I'm thinking about how no matter how many years pass, sad teen girls will obsess over the same type of media for the same reasons, and... It's not even about the media being bad (which it is), but it's about the lack of self love and being able to relate with people who have anything in similar with you, with your own gender and potential future relationships, that just makes me sad for you all.

There are so many great female characters out there, teenage or older and supernatural, often gay for each other too, and in better stories with fewer straight male author type cliches, so why are you not obsessing over those?

People who were crazy for destiel back in the day used to say you couldn't find love stories as deep with a het couple, which is fair enough, but that was years and years ago before streaming services started catering to audiences other than straight men. This is not that world anymore. There are alternatives. Please go find them and enrich yourselves, and stop devoting all your time to drawing reblogging and headcanoning middle aged white straight men in same sex relationships. That's not healthy.

This has been my ted talk

Like what is up with assholes like you who think that people are supposed to like things based on how ~*~*~healthy~*~*~ they are, and that what you ship is some kind of indication of your moral worth?

Like what is up with homophobes like you who think that our society somehow has a dearth of the precious m/m friendships in fiction, when in fact they're common as dirt and m/m romantic relationships are extremely hard to get on screen or onto the page outside certain marginal genres?

Like what is up with misogynist soclds like you pretending to be all feminist but never ever lecturing boys on what they like and implying that the true cause of women and girls being abused is liking ~problematic~ content?

Like what is up with dickheaded shit-for-brains like you who police everything girls and women do but can't be fucking bothered to look up and notice that we live in a patriarchy and just about everything is geared toward teaching girls that they're second-class citizens?

Oh, wait, according to the notes, you're a TERF. That explains a lot.

I always got the sense it’s to add your random thoughts, too

The cool bit is that the weird tagging conventions ao3 got from tumblr have come to serve an entirely different and still valuable purpose on ao3.

  That "entirely different and still valuable purpose" is that the more of these nonfunctional "chatty" tags you add, the more you're telling me that your fic is probably shit and I shouldn't waste my time clicking on it.

  And some tags, such as "lmao i'm trash", mean I can block you completely and nothing of value will have been lost.

  AO3 tagging is for helping people find and avoid genres, tropes, ratings, kinks, squicks, and triggers. Not for the author's precious "thinky thoughts." Use the summary field.

all adults have a responsibility toward the safety+well-being of all children they’re around, irl and online. i can’t believe this #hot take is controversial like. at all

You can't believe it's not controversial because you don't give a shit about misogyny.

  Funny how I don't see any of you little assholes demanding that men on 4chan, Reddit, or other mainly-male websites do the same thing.

Tl;dr: Donating to things I don't approve of are racist. Also, you owe randos of color on the internet money, and they don't owe you any proof that they're not scammers. Also, I don't know what the fuck "child pornography" means, I am oblivious to the fact that POC also post to AO3, and I'm a giant condescending piece of shit. I'd say I can't believe people fall for this asinine guilt trip, but lots of people here are very young. Or stupid. Or both.

this website is proof “be yourself” isnt advice applicable to everyone some of yall really just need to keep that weird shit inside til you die

Oh? By “weird shit” you mean the desire of antis to police everyone else’s behavior?

I don’t think being an older woman in fandom is cringey but I do think there is a specific group that is cringey af that is often the target of this Fandom Mom discussion, and we should encourage more people to cringe at this shit: 

Married straight ladies in their 30s-40s who go into slash/yaoi 15 years ago and are specifically into the shit that’s full of rape (oh I’m sorry, “dubcon”), large age differences, other big power differentials, strict seme/uke roles, etc. And when they get a show that doesn’t have any of that shit like Yuri on Ice, insist on making it like that in their fanfiction. And then they constantly fucking talk about it in any fan chat like Discord servers, and whine and pitch a fit and even cry “discrimination” when actual LGBT people or teens or just anyone with good taste doesn’t want to constantly hear about their fetishy rape fic.

Like it’s one thing when teens who are still in their edgelord phase don’t understand why people don’t want to talk about rape fic all the time, but increasingly the people doing this in fanfiction-focused chatrooms I’ve been in are like… 30-something moms? And that’s deeply disturbing to me. If you really can’t understand why this isn’t treated as a normal topic of conversation that you can just assume people are up for and you’re raising children like… I cannot help but worry for those children. And that’s not even talking about the teens you’re influencing when you act like a Fandom Mom.

Also, if you’re that kind of person, you don’t get to look down your nose at 30-40-something housewives who like Fifty Shades because you are the fujoshi version of that. The exact analogue. Except worse, because at least most women who like Fifty Shades understand why they can’t just assume everyone else is constantly down to talk about Fifty Shades.

Yeah these are the fans that got into fandom twenty plus years ago and refuse to actually evolve and develop as a person with regard to their presence in it. 

They’re stuck in the past where, for some reason, there was more acceptance of fans getting off on stuff like rape, dubcon, porn w/ age gaps from hell, etc. They refuse to acknowledge that hey, maybe that wasn’t good, and instead cry censorship and oppression (even though no one is actually not allowing their stuff to be posted, as AO3 allows p much anything). They’re usually heterosexual, married, and mothers (which is like you said, so unnerving). 

When I expressed discomfort with this stuff as a teen who was just getting into fandom, I was generally told I wasn’t being ‘open minded’. This was so endlessly frustrating to me. And many of the same people saying that then are a lot of the same people doing this now, undoubtedly. 

ABLOO BLOO BLOO I’VE BEEN A SEX-HATING UPTIGHT PRUDE ALL MY FANNISH LIFE AND WHY WON’T ALL THE GROSS WOMEN IN FANDOM BE PROPERLY ASHAMED OF HAVING LIBIDOS?!?! You must be delighted that asexuality became a thing. You now have a crowd of self-righteous prudish slut-shaming twits to run with.

this is what I mean when I say that anti antis are increasingly ageist. like well done blaming antis on minors when minors are also targeted and hurt by anti-shipping ideology.

fandom is literally one of the safest spaces for queer minors. I’m sorry, but if creating a safe space for fandom is predicated on locking out the people who need it the most then fuck you.

First it's "OMG, adults are corrupting teenagers!!" Now it's "HDU kick us out of your fandom spaces!!" So I guess we shouldn't be in fandom at all, just "knitting our taxes" and catering to your whiny asses at your beck and call? Talk about "ageism," but I guess it only matters when it's aimed at you.

  I'll be blunt: I don't give a flying fuck about teens in fandom, LGBT or not (and especially not "qweer" a/k/a asexy and other bullshit "sexualities"). Even less do I care about ~soft smol minors~ ages 18-25. I'm not in fandom for altruistic purposes — believe it or not, not everything women do has to be for others! And, quite frankly, I don't enjoy interacting with the vast majority of you. Stick to your own sites like Wattpad. If you're mature enough to lie about your age and not be a sexist asshole who insists that random adults and especially women act like your surrogate parents, then you can come to ours. Otherwise, you've proven in the aggregate that you're collectively a giant pain in the ass.

  Oh, and you know one big reason site owners should make their sites 18+? For legal purposes. Because graphically showing Shiro getting reamed up the ass by Keith where teenagers can see leaves them open to penalties and shutdowns. They don't owe it to you to expose themselves to those risks just so you can get off.

“Ew you’re an adult why are you in fandom” Kid, if being mocked for fandom shit wasn’t enough to stop me when I was an actual 15 year old, hearing it from a 15 year old when I’m 30 is genuinely hilarious

mmm this post makes me. Uncomfy. people are allowed to like things with no age limit, but its important to not overstep boundaries and stay in your lane.

and chances are if a teenager is shaming you for being in a fandom, its their way of saying “i dont want you to interact with me. go away.” and thats that. dont try to start an argument or fight because there is a Very obvious power imbalance. just leave them be.

you, and all the other people in the notes saying similar things. you are adults. you hold higher societal power than teenagers and children. teenagers and children sometimes see adults in areas they consider “for their age group only” and their “stranger danger” instincts kick in and they immediately feel like that person is a predator.

its perfectly reasonable for those people to want to avoid ppl that are way older than them bc its uncomfortable, and bc theres an obvious power imblance.

like i said before, you are adults. you should know this. dont go off on me saying “what are you gonna? call your momma?” or some shit. dont do that petty shit.

i understand your frustration. but that doesnt mean you dont have to respect other peoples boundaries.

teenagers have time to learn. they have time to grow, and they have time to mature. you did too. show it by not being petty to someone under half your age.

Actually this post started well over a year ago because a fan of my fanfic sent me a glowing message about how good it is (and I write mature content) but then when they went through my blog and discovered that I was 32 and had a kid myself they sent me a rude message telling me that it’s disgusting that I’m still in fandom because fandom is for children and no-one else. This after reading my adult content.

This person literally read my 18+ fanfic on ao3. They came to an adult fanfic space, and then told me I shouldn’t be in fandom because I’m 18+. The point you are making is very valid, but I’ll tell you something in my experience - adults tend to keep to themselves and avoid children in fandom where they are. My main fandom I’ve written, every single friend I’ve made in the fandom is 24+, and the ones who are my fanfic friends in particular are all 30+. Just naturally gravitated towards each other because of mutual interest.

There is a huge wave of puritanical harassment in fandom at the moment (which rose to prominence after I made this post as it happens) where minors go into adult spaces in fandom (on ao3 it warns you and they go past that anyway) and then callout those adults. If you want to talk about ‘staying in your lane’, please take note of this huge anti movement against adult content and tell me who is the one doing so.

This entire thread is full of adults all the way into their 70s who have had young, newer entrants into fandom mock them purely for their age. Ageism in fandom is unbelievably prevalent - younger fans misperceive a lot about their fellow fandom members. Someone commented on this thread yesterday and called tumblr (and by extension, fandom) ‘a place for children’ (largest demographic on tumblr is 18-29 y/o, second is 30-35 so not sure where that perception comes from - my own tumblr blog is over 9 years old and when I first joined it was all early-adopting adults posting images mostly, fandom hadn’t actually made the move over from live journal just yet, though it was beginning) and how this is purely adults ‘circlejerking’ who need to ‘get a real hobby’ and ‘go look after their children or cats or something’. THAT attitude is why I posted it in the first place - the VERY persistent attitude from newer fans that adults don’t belong, aren’t allowed, are creepy and weird merely for enjoying media the same way they do.

We do respect boundaries. We enjoy, we post, we have fun. We tag mature content, because we make it for ourselves and we remember a time where that wasn’t possible and we casually came across adult content and knew it was wrong (the first piece of porn fanfic I came across I was 12 and I backed out of it and didn’t come back for a few years but it was just on a list with other fic, no content rating, nothing). We do not think that younger people don’t deserve to be in fandom - we embrace people joining and loving the things we do. However, when so many, many people on this post share the same experience of having been on the end of the same attitude and behaviour, you need to listen and see that there is a problem. Ageism is rife in fandom, because of the perception that enjoying media enough to want to connect with others about it is ‘just for kids’ the way cartoons are ‘just for kids’ and anime is ‘just for kids’. It’s not. It’s for everyone.

When I was younger, the idea of being in fandom (and especially a woman in fandom - there was mainstream male nerdism and then female nerdism and especially queer nerdism was quite underground, still, in 1997) and writing fic and (lesserly) fanart was seen as strange - my peers made fun endlessly and I had no real life peers who had any interest in fandom the way I did. However, I kept going. Now fandom is mainstream accepted, to the point that voice actors in some fandoms casually name ships for the fandom to use! But now, as an older fan, the mocking comes from younger fans who see adults in fandom as weird, perhaps because they feel that the fandom belongs to them? I don’t know. I’ve never understood the malice that goes into when younger fans make fun of older fans, given that we are present and a normal part of fandom, that we create zines and run cons and organise so much of fandom.

What you read in the notes of this post is a large group of people who identify with having been on the end of abuse of some kind. That is something we do not have to put up with, do not have to ‘have patience for’. Coming as a parent, I would never let my kid treat someone like the way many people here have treated other fans - I would reprimand, educate. I’m not perfect though, and sometimes an off the cuff reaction to being made fun of is natural, especially to repeated offences. Expecting adults to put up with this kind of rude behaviour and just sit back and go ‘oh, they’ll learn eventually’ is cruel - you’re asking people who are being purposely marginalised to just shut up and accept it because ‘well, let kids be kids’. We’re not talking about 4 year olds. We’re talking about teenagers, who should know the basics of ‘don’t make fun of someone for simply enjoying something’.

This tiny little post of ‘I’ve put up with being made fun of for being in fandom a lot, if I didn’t give it up then I’m not going anywhere now’ somehow managed to identify with a lot of people, showing that this kind of ageism is widespread and hurtful, but it’s also against a group of people who have put up with it enough in their lives to be resilient and not let it force them out.

@professor-homosexual: Awwww, is widdle babby "uncomfy"?

  Too fucking bad.

  Oh, and you know how teenagers learn how not to be assholes? Adults telling them to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.