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The right are now throwing a tantrum about trans people owning guns, as well as whining about this shirt, and calling to investigate and/or arrest anyone that owns it.

There have been a total of 4 trans/non-binary shooters.

There have been over 2,000 straight male shooters just since 2018.

By their logic, we should also arrest the guys wearing these:

the right, after 10,000 cis shooters (rightfully): "guns are just an inevitable fact of life at worst, and at best a way to potect folks whenever government tries to kill them, we have to approach an incredibly complex topic like this with the due levels of nuance-"

the right after 1 trans shooter: "testosterone makes females into maniacs, murderers, monsters; ban guns for those tranny fags!"

every time I get to skip a queue because I'm disabled, I think back to my one guardian using that as one example of how actually it's marginalised people who are privileged. ma'am, it's because I can't stand up for that long. and it's trans privilege that I once got given vip passes, as the only working gender neutral toilet was in the vip area of the club. ma'am, it's so that I didn't get beaten up. ma'am, it's not a privilege for somebody to do something nice for you that is aiming to circumvent a danger you're subjected to. I can't skip a queue now without thinking "I wonder how many people are bitter that I can do this because they're standing in the cold for an hour", and then I think that the solution to these situations should never be to harm me, it would be to improve the venue's entrance (more metal detectors, etc) and waiting area (cover, places to sit, etc) so that the waiting experience doesn't suck enough to make anybody feel bitter upon seeing someone skip it for the sake of their health. and I don't even ask to skip btw, it's just protocol in a lot of places, and they let those with you skip it too so that you're not separated.

people will voluntarily suffer and tell you that suffering is good and normal, that things cannot be any other way,

then when they are forced to stop making certain people suffer because it does incredible harm to those certain people, being shown that there is indeed another way,

they blame the people who would be harmed rather than recognizing they're voluntarily choosing to suffer instead of demanding things change for everyone

because, remember, suffering must be good

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if everyone had to take a ticket, and only the people up within the next ten minutes had to wait in the actual line, none of this would be a problem because everyone could just go somewhere else while they waited.

but of course, that would mean no one has to suffer, and we can't just blame the privileged disabled people, and we can't have that

y'all are insufferable. y'all are so fucking inept at any form of social analysis. what the fuck? you're so up your own ass saying that they choose to suffer. as if fucking joe schmuck stuck in line for a gig actually had fuck all power over the venue's policy. it's systemic. it's systems. it's corporations. stop blaming fucking individuals. you sound like the idiots who talk about fucking carbon footprints.

they are hurting and lashing out, and their anger is directed by the system towards the visible thing getting what they deserve - those being helped by things such as queue skipping. and when you see that, and are told "the system should help them too", you proceed to immediately fall for the same bullshit and accuse them of choosing to suffer. you're a menace. you're a fool. I do not want you on my post. I would get a restraining order against you if I could. I hate you. I hate you so much that I would change my favourite pokémon if I knew you liked it. you are the worst person. I'm being melodramatic for comedic effect but dear fucking god.

"um actually the ableds think suffering is good and that's why they voluntarily choose to queue-" either my original post was so poorly worded that I should be shot, or you're actually incapable of reading. I am slamming my head against a wall as we speak.

also that ticket system wouldn't work for the actual thing I was making this post based on, which was a concert. the doors can't open that long before the gig because of sound checks and such being done, and because printing tens of thousands of additional numbers a night would be an absurd waste of paper, and an absurd level of organisation to expect from that many people waiting to go in, and ultimately probably just clog it more checking numbers and shit on top of preexisting checks. think with your head. I said in the post that more metal detectors, more staff, and more entrances would solve the issue (and be helpful in case of a fire too). I literally already said a simple fix. it's just that it would cost too much money. that's it. it's the company wanting to save cash. the exact same reason they stopped giving out free water at a lot of venues, despite how fucking dangerous that is at a gig.

so this asshole pulled the ol' reblog and block, which usually I will simply ignore and go about my day, but this cunt, this utter waste of an internet connection, decided to say that I, an autistic person, was calling them "retarded" above. can you point to where in my post I say the word retarded? this fuck cannot read omfg.

fuck it, let's break this down bit by bit, so you can waste even more people's time with your complete lack of grey matter.

"you could like, bother to ask instead of accusing and going off the rails like a wildcat in heat."

I literally said "I'm being melodramatic for comedic effect but dear fucking god." right there in my reblog. the "wildcat in heat" aspect was a joke. what wasn't a joke was being tired of people refusing to understand my posts then co-opting them for their bullshit. I linked you to posts explaining this and more of my beliefs.

"people believe that suffering is a good thing. people believe that suffering is deserved, and that anyone who circumvents this is a horrible person. people are supposed to suffer. this is a cultural norm: literally, suffering makes you a better person."

crying and screaming and punching walls. my dude. I explained things to you. take a step back. what puts ideas like that in their heads? what manipulates people into accepting the suffering it bestows upon them? why do you keep individualising systemic issues? oh right it's because the system tells you to.

this is fucking stupid. you're stupid. you see people being told they deserve to suffer, then being made to suffer, and then you go "it's their fault they're suffering. they should fix it themselves."

again, you said "they're voluntarily choosing to suffer". my dude.

"you are engaging in it right now, flinging all kinds of filth here and going off the rails instead of bothering to USE YOUR BRAIN, as you say."

"flinging filth"? the jokes. the jokes I said were jokes. born out of frustration because people keep saying dumb shit on my posts?

also, calling a mentally ill person "off the rails" right before...

"would you like to clarify why you think stupidity, retardation, is a good insult on a post about disability?"

would you like to explain why you said kanye was right? I can't believe you said kanye was right on my post. disgusting. lmao.

this is literally a "when did you stop beating your wife?"

"why you can't control yourself, and feel the need to act like this? why you expect your violence to have a good effect---"

VIOLENCE?? ASDFGHJKL

god you're so fucking stu- sorry. I forgot, you think autistic people are stupid. you're so fucking poo poo head.

also, violence is pretty effective. like, dislike it all you want but if you'd been punched in the face every time you looked at my blog you'd be out of my hair by now.

why is insulting you indication that somebody's capacity is at all diminished from its usual level? maybe I just think you're a cunt.

"oh, it's because people believe suffering makes you a better person. violence is good."

violence is great lmao. I love pub fights. you don't seem to know much about me so here's the thing, I've got many posts about it being fucking idiotic to have black and white morality that sees violence as a conversation-ender. sometimes a bitch won't leave you alone in the pub so you slap him. but it's even more idiotic to perceive it like that when you think "learn to read" is violence.

also I've never said suffering makes you better. for example, it is morally wrong by every standard worth its salt that I must suffer through reading your bullshit. I'm doing it because it's fun.

anyway, stop projecting shit on me, especially weird moralising bullshit that I clearly don't think, to suit your dumb narrative.

"why does joe shmuck think he needs to blame the disabled people, instead of realizing that they can't stand in line?"

because they're a visible display of someone getting what he-

"because suffering is good, and if you can't tolerate the suffering, you should not be able to get the thing you want. only the good people who come out of the suffering as morally better deserve to be rewarded. can't get something for nothing, yeah?"

okay there freud let's tone this down like a lot.

"for some weird reason you don't think joe schmuck should have to use his brain?"

learn. to. read.

"he's not the worst person ever for following exactly what he's told and telling you you're a vile evil miscreant worthy of death?"

jesus fucking christ, now you're putting words in an imaginary man's mouth I can't. I actually don't know how you're this far gone.

"is it that you think he's too stupid to understand any of this? that's incredibly hateful of you to think about literally everyone in the world."

if literally everyone in the world is telling you that you're a vile evil miscreant worthy of death, maybe it's your toxic personality? I can't tell if you genuinely think you're saying something worth hearing but, if you think it is, at least proof read it before you hit send, because errors like that are pretty avoidable. it's a sentence apart, dude. it characterised what joe schmuck thinks as "you're a vile evil miscreant worthy of death" and then followed it up by asserting everyone on earth is joe schmuck. oh my god.

"nobody can possibly understand you or think about other people because they're being told to think something else? they don't have thoughts and beliefs of their own, they're just drones following "corporations"? there's no overarching system telling people why all this has to be the way it is?"

"it's systemic. it's systems. it's corporations. stop blaming fucking individuals. you sound like the idiots who talk about fucking carbon footprints." literally the first paragraph of my reply dude.

also, nice job displaying your bias against me. when I say "this is systemic" that's me saying "nobody can think for themselves", if I explain one system, capital, that's me saying people are drones following corporations, but you then say immediately that there's systems. again, these are one sentence apart. proof read your shit.

"puritanism and calvinism, the basis of most modern christianity, DO NOT EXIST???"

yeah, I'm sure the concert venue doesn't build more entrances because they think god wants people to wait in line outside, and definitely not because doing so and hiring the staff and security would cost money. you sure cracked this mystery.

"fundyism is not a thing worldwide in any religion whatsoever? MAN that's the world i want to live in"

quick question: does your government have separation of chruch and state? mine doesn't.

"nah, people don't ever think that suffering makes you a better person or that demand you should stop crying before i give you a reason to cry."

this pisses me off because I've talked at length on my blog about being an abuse survivor; you coming and parroting common shit abusers say at random people, while falsely accusing them of saying shit they never said, and generally being a cunt, is not- you know that's not okay, right? like, you know you're a cunt?

"nobody ever in the history of the world has grown up in a culture that normalizes abuse, normalizes suffering, as something to be proud of. nobody one ups each other with how terrible their lives are, how much sleep they haven't gotten! that would be fuckin WEIRD, imagine living like that! braggin about how much you've worked this week? how many meals you had to skip?"

and your decision is to blame the people victimised by that kind of system for having the thoughts it implants in their brains, and for being too immobilised by it to repair it single-handedly.

"how you're too proud to apply for welfare and won't use SNAP because that's for grubby leeches? WILD."

I'm on benefits. I know clarifying the joke apparently doesn't work on you, but this is a play on your blog title being general you btw.

"disabled people aren't ever told that their suffering is for a greater purpose or that they aren't suffering enough to be allowed accommodations. NEVER."

I have talked about the issue of means testing in multiple threads, in fact one I linked you to above was specifically about that.

"i'm not shocked you're so free with insulting people who have trouble reading. is this like a thing with you? disabled people are funny? illiteracy and people who are denied those opportunities are funny?"

you know that I know you're not actually illiterate, right? because of the whole "we're talking by writing and reading" thing? the reason it's a funny insult is because you can't grasp the simple ideas being conveyed to you, and because you're an asshole. and I don't feel guilty about using it as one because I know for sure the illiterate people aren't reading this to be upset by it anyway.

"insulting people is great praxis because comparing them to the unwashed masses shows how pure your blue blood is?"

I'm not draco malfoy, I'm not american, I've never even been to america, and I don't insult people as "praxis", I insult them if they piss me off personally. you're annoying, you're a cunt, you suck. nothing about that is activism, I don't do everything I do with a moralising equation in the back of my mind. sometimes you're actually just being a cunt and somebody will tell you as much. I genuinely don't know why you're trying to imply I'm well off and looking down upon the poor, considering I've linked you to crap about applying for and being on benefits - then again, I can tell you're too lazy to read that, because otherwise you'd know that I don't live in america given details therein.

"are you doing this because you always act like this and call it social commentary or is it because you're not slamming your head hard enough to get back to a clean slate where you can install some praxis that doesn't focus on hatewhoring?"

woah woah woah. I have amnesia. and some people have head injuries. are you making fun of that? good sir. how dare. shocked and, frankly, horrified that you would do this.

again, it's not praxis, it's just that you suck.

"with all due respect i did not think i needed to explain what an "example" is, but if you truly do not understand please ask."

are you making fun of stupid, or as you call them "retarded", people?

"i do think you're just reaching here to say nasty things, because again, making people suffer makes them better."

no, it's because you said dumb shit on my post. I was joking about in my frustration at that. if it made you suffer... that's wild. not my intent, but I can't say I'm disappointed. but was it praxis or was it vindictive? can you get your story straight? for me, it was neither. you annoyed me so I jokingly casually lightly insulted you, I've been consistent about my motive from the start lmao. you making it some weird personal bid to make you a better person or some shit is... kinda creepy? like, idk how to tell you that you are a stranger and I am not personally involved with you or invested in you. you pissed me off with some dumb shit, that's all. I made a few jokes at your expense as a result - that's literally it.

"it's why hateful content drives engagement so much more and why you chose to focus on hate yourself here instead of actual substance."

no, I linked to substance. bags and bags of substance. I said you suck because you suck.

"being upset at an example is like complaining that i'm "going off topic" when i use a metaphor to explain a point."

it's amazing. I'm communicating with an illiterate person via writing. they said it couldn't be done.

"i truly did think everyone would be familiar with the concept of glorifying suffering, i guess that's my bad for overestimating the company here."

you also suck at insults. and it's funny because you spent so long up there condemning the very implications you proceed to make. was that projection all along? you're ableist? like, I was joking when I said that you thought autistic people were stupid, but you actually do. and you're actually trying to call me autistic here, which I am. like, was that why you jumped on my post in the first place? to annoy autisic people? maybe this is why everyone hates you.

"failing familiarity, i did at least believe people would have the common courtesy to ASK instead of going off on batshit asshole rants of accusation."

pot, this is kettle. at least mine was a joke.

"you're behaving exactly like fanatic christian preachers, seeing demons everywhere and frothing at the mouth like people did to that "couch guy" who was surprise visited by his girlfriend and still gets harassed to this day by strangers."

me? seeing demons? I said a venue wasn't building more ways in because of money. you said everyone in the queue wants you to suffer and glorifies suffering and chooses to keep the queue as a thing so that they can suffer and wants you to suffer with them. which, of those two options, is really seeing demons?

"has it occurred to you that you treat people the exact same way that you complain about in your op?"

no, because I don't lmao. you're just reaching to pretend that some stranger online insulting you in response to you being a dick (in that characterising everyone how you did and blaming people for their own suffering and talking to me how you did are all peak dick behaviours) is the same as that dickish caricature you wrongly described others as. you projecting that onto me, after I dare tell you that projecting it onto others is also incorrect and cruel, neither surprises me nor makes me at all inclined to believe your absurdity. I talked about improving the system. I want to improve the system. I am not the system. nowhere on my post did I say we should hold it over individual people's heads that they're ultimately flawed or snide or whatever - it's YOU who believes that shit, it's you who twists any flaw or pain or rude action into this absurd freudian nonsense about people wanting to suffer and inflict suffering (which you believe because you massively stretch the fact that the system coerces people into glorifying and seeing virtue in the suffering it inflicts), and now you see that demon everywhere. it just shows that I was right, you didn't understand my post and you refuse to actually think deeper than "bad people". a mentally and physically disabled person telling you that you weren't characterising their post correctly, and making a few jokes that they said were jokes along the way, gets called ableist because you say autistic people are stupid with zero self-awareness and then project that onto me, in an attempt to frame me maliciously and discredit me, and so it doesn't surprise me that you squash me into your absurd worldview even when it so clearly doesn't fit. the reach here relies on assuming that I said what I said with a desire to make you suffer - an allegation that should obviously be incorrect if you were capable of thinking in anything but the demonisation of individual people. or even, simply, capable of reading.

"worse, really, based on all this, and it's clearly not a fluke from your proud links up there. just, ew. my mistake assuming you were a better person than you clearly are. i imagine you'll be glad to have thoroughly corrected my view of you."

you didn't read the links then. most were perfectly amicable. one was somebody also not understanding what you refuse to think critically about, and arguing with me. one was a long thing about why means testing is dangerous. but I suppose it's easier to not read and/or to lie about the content therein, huh?

but here you are again, moralising. the goodness of a person is determined by how politely they engage on tumblr. their value is mathematical and found by how nice they are to you. obscene.

I'm a cunt. I'm kind, but I'm not nice. I fight, I drink, I curse, and I insult pricks like you, because I'm human. you're a wokescold. a tone-policing obsessed asshole, who views the world as baddies doing battle with goodies, and the issues therein are the result simply of the baddies, and all trapped within the system who haven't kissed your boots are the baddies. I was right about you.

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"[illness] didn't make ME do [thing], therefore [person] is just a bad person" is such a dumbfuck thing to say. some people will be cunts during manic episodes, or some people will rarely brush their teeth because of adhd, etc etc etc. just because you don't have that one particular effect doesn't mean there's like... no way that's related to the illness whatsoever, and is just some... what? fundamental flaw of their soul? like legit, why do you think they're doing it? what do you think this "badness" is, if not the result of a mental process? I get that you don't like being associated with what they do, and you shouldn't be - just like we shouldn't accuse every drunk person of killing a child, even though alcohol was 100% the reason that this drunk driver hit the kid. he wouldn't have run over the kid if he was sober, he didn't even do it on purpose while drunk. but that doesn't mean that every person drinking is a child murderer. same goes for adhd and brushing teeth, manic episodes and being a cunt, and so forth. clarifying that shouldn't come at the expense of pretending that your ability to do/not do something extends to everyone else.

this goes for neurotypicals too btw. "um he must be a narcissist because I would never-" stfu you're all dumb. people do shit. they might do because of circumstances, how a disorder affects them, whatever. except astrology, nobody ever did anything over venus having a temper tantrum. but the point is you have to stop doing dumbfuck "well I'm like them and I don't-" you're not them. stfu.

I attempted arson during a mental breakdown a long time ago and excessive self-defence happened another time, and I would never willingly do either of those things without damn good cause now (qualifying because obviously if you kidnap my pets and tell me to burn an abandoned house or else, then yeah). it boggles the mind that people would go "well *I* have [disorder] and *I* would never-" congratulations on never being in that much pain then, bitch. as I actually have been to fucking dark places, maybe I know what I'm talking about more than some cunt who wants to uwuify this shit.

I'm so sick of this line - you hear it every time a mentally ill person does something "wrong" or weird, and it's absolutely unreasonable.

exactly, people seem to think that destigmatising mental health issues means to make them palatable, and that's part of this. but personally I think a bigger part is injecting the self into anger with whatever the recent drama is. so mrs jane doe is being accused of doing something shitty, she says it happened because of her bpd, however miss viewer also has bpd and takes this personally and so explains to mrs doe self-righteously that "I don't do that, you just desperately want to have an excuse, bpd doesn't make you a bad person, that's just who you are" and that's the main issue. but if you're talking about that, people fall back on the stigma to justify or defend the hypothetical miss viewer, they say that you're going to promote more stigma by talking about this, and so that's why I spent a good chunk of the op tryna reassure people that they don't deserve to be judged based on dicks, but they're also just wrong.

yeah like its an explaination rather than an excuse. this is a really tough topic to navigate bc its so touchy and personal and ppl dont want to be associated with bad things, and so they get so defensive and start to point fingers. it makes sense to me why ppl react that way, i just think its not fair to the people who do end up doing bad things bc of their mental illness to be called inherently evil or bad, just because other ppl dont like the fact that ppl respond differently to their mental illnesses.

yeahh, really this whole explanation vs excuse, blame vs being "held accountable", good apology vs bad apology, it all feels like detracting from the topic at hand. like, if I wanna say "hey, there literally are behaviours listed as symptoms, and this particular pattern of behaviour is indeed relatively common" I have to take minutes of my time away to answer all the questions, and then everything will still derail onto them anyway. 99% of the time it absolutely isn't somebody involved demanding I stop excusing behaviour (that I never excused), it's some dumbfuck too online person, who's made "holding them accountable" their own life's mission, despite not even knowing them. I don't like having this conversation every time I say "hey, no, that is a symptom". what nuances and particulars and philosophical musings can be had around excuses vs reasons isn't actually relevant to what I said.

that isn't @ you in particular, this happens every time. my point really is just that sometimes "bad things" are the mental health disorders, and even when they're not nobody is inherently evil. I personally think people need to start philosophy 102 eventually, because I'm sick of laymen preaching morality that's barely two steps removed from original sin and catholic guilt. and that isn't anything to do with whether people need to stop woobifying an illness that can sometimes be ugly, or giving credibility to some dumbfuck lumping us all together by doing the same but simply excluding the less appealing presentations. am I making sense?

sorry this is a bit all over the place, my brain's in a bad place rn.

"we're all fucked up, let's get you some juice" is a better way to handle seeing your distorted reflection than "uwu it's okay to be something as long as you don't hurt anyone uwu don't ever hurt anyone uwu if you hurt someone you're only doing that because you're a fundamentally bad person uwu control yourself you can control yourself you must control yourself never lapse and never falter and never let the control slip you must always control this" because jesus fucking christ that shit is the most haunting crap imaginable, especially with illnesses where self-perception as a warped and monstrous version of yourself is so common and so detrimental to your state of mind, just chill the fuck out and be capable of talking about the facts of what's causing somebody's behaviour in an objective and non-moralising manner for while.

ALL OF THIS! SO MUCH! YES! EXACTLY! it's wild to me to even imagine myself doing some of the stuff I did during episodes, the things I could change (often with the help of hella meds) I did but there's always going to be a dark part of me that fucks up badly sometimes. and if I could change it I would, but I can't. I don't like being that person and having these episodes, but nobody would choose to be like this, nobody asked for this, it's a medical issue.

it's not a contrary point, although I 100% pushback on the claim that "some people are just shitty", some people do shitty things. however, back to the main point, it's the same, like I said on that second reblog up there, sometimes neurotypicals do "bad" shit:

nobody's bad, I've got a bazillion posts about why that kind of black and white thinking is incredibly dangerous and destructive, and I've even briefly touched on parts of it at points on this post:

fundamentally, there's no tangible thing, there's no badness, it's an idea, and it's a destructive one when it's not shorthand for "this is harmful behaviour" and is just a dirty mark on somebody's person.

well I've mentioned the shitty things I've done on this post for the very reasons you discuss. everybody's too afraid to take the jump, before somebody else steps in and says "I tried to do an arson and strangled someone who attacked me (they lived)" and then it gets easier to be like "well fuck, all I did was steal a toyota" (albeit it wasn't just mania when I did that stuff, it was a severe mental breakdown). and if you want truly horrible shit [warning: a fucked up traumadump ahead], my one guardian had ptsd and bipolar, and during manic episodes and flashbacks when I was a little kid she would mistreat me, abuse me, etc, she would threaten to send me back to the person who tortured and raped me, she would tell me I was destined to turn into him because of my dna, she would tell me how to kill myself and where and when, she strangled me, she told me to swallow razor blades to prove I actually wanted to hurt myself or else my self-harm was just for attention, etc. and afaik all of that was from mental health issues, some of it was even projection (she couldn't self-harm as "badly" as me and was saying to me what her brain said to her when she compared herself to me). she's a vile bitch sometimes, but the extreme shit was almost always the ptsd or bipolar. I have c-ptsd and manic episodes (more commonly mixed states, personally) and a tonne of other shit, and I don't blame anyone else who has them and I don't assume they'll do that, but to say nobody acts like a cunt because of those conditions is ridiculous. just as it would be to say nobody acts like a cunt without those conditions. the human mind is fucked up and weird, and your own experience of a mental health issue (or lack thereof) is not the universal rule of how it affects everyone (I've had this gripe with a blog I used to follow, since they'd post people's experiences in a "I wish people knew X about [disorder]" and half the time it was more rare symptoms that wouldn't be present for most people, like bro your experiences are not universal). and re the autism like yeah, I think there are situations non-autistic people would do that (again, your experiences of a "normal brain" are not universal), but as someone with autism and an autistic sibling, who both were incredibly fucking bullied (they broke my sibling's arm on purpose once, then stood over them laughing, knowing full well it was broken, so later I grabbed one of them by the throat and told him in detail how I was going to kill him, and he was off school for ages with nightmares and still crosses the road when he sees me, and maybe if I was not so mentally ill and if I'd been capable of considering long-term consequences I might've handled that a bit more calmly and responsibly, but I was fucked in the head and an angsty young kid and they broke my little sibling's arm ffs and I have a mama bear mode), I can absolutely imagine our lack of social awareness and our emotional regulation issues and our lesser ability to judge our own strength and so on and so forth would all definitely play a part if something got out of hand. things did get out of hand, albeit mostly because bullies kept escalating and the school was run by bullies (legit, the teachers joined in, and officially there was no bullying at a school where people broke someone's arm on purpose then laughed at them), and mental ill health definitely played a part in why they did that to us and why we responded badly (edit: meaning they bullied us because we were visibly ill, afaik all or most of the cunts were neurotypical and just being assholes). it's just silly for people to be so averse to the fact that life and mental ill health can be ugly and violent, and what somebody else does shouldn't reflect badly on you, but you also shouldn't deny causal factors just because you share them. just as you shouldn't have denied a neurotypical person could do that.

"[illness] didn't make ME do [thing], therefore [person] is just a bad person" is such a dumbfuck thing to say. some people will be cunts during manic episodes, or some people will rarely brush their teeth because of adhd, etc etc etc. just because you don't have that one particular effect doesn't mean there's like... no way that's related to the illness whatsoever, and is just some... what? fundamental flaw of their soul? like legit, why do you think they're doing it? what do you think this "badness" is, if not the result of a mental process? I get that you don't like being associated with what they do, and you shouldn't be - just like we shouldn't accuse every drunk person of killing a child, even though alcohol was 100% the reason that this drunk driver hit the kid. he wouldn't have run over the kid if he was sober, he didn't even do it on purpose while drunk. but that doesn't mean that every person drinking is a child murderer. same goes for adhd and brushing teeth, manic episodes and being a cunt, and so forth. clarifying that shouldn't come at the expense of pretending that your ability to do/not do something extends to everyone else.

this goes for neurotypicals too btw. "um he must be a narcissist because I would never-" stfu you're all dumb. people do shit. they might do because of circumstances, how a disorder affects them, whatever. except astrology, nobody ever did anything over venus having a temper tantrum. but the point is you have to stop doing dumbfuck "well I'm like them and I don't-" you're not them. stfu.

I attempted arson during a mental breakdown a long time ago and excessive self-defence happened another time, and I would never willingly do either of those things without damn good cause now (qualifying because obviously if you kidnap my pets and tell me to burn an abandoned house or else, then yeah). it boggles the mind that people would go "well *I* have [disorder] and *I* would never-" congratulations on never being in that much pain then, bitch. as I actually have been to fucking dark places, maybe I know what I'm talking about more than some cunt who wants to uwuify this shit.

I'm so sick of this line - you hear it every time a mentally ill person does something "wrong" or weird, and it's absolutely unreasonable.

exactly, people seem to think that destigmatising mental health issues means to make them palatable, and that's part of this. but personally I think a bigger part is injecting the self into anger with whatever the recent drama is. so mrs jane doe is being accused of doing something shitty, she says it happened because of her bpd, however miss viewer also has bpd and takes this personally and so explains to mrs doe self-righteously that "I don't do that, you just desperately want to have an excuse, bpd doesn't make you a bad person, that's just who you are" and that's the main issue. but if you're talking about that, people fall back on the stigma to justify or defend the hypothetical miss viewer, they say that you're going to promote more stigma by talking about this, and so that's why I spent a good chunk of the op tryna reassure people that they don't deserve to be judged based on dicks, but they're also just wrong.

yeah like its an explaination rather than an excuse. this is a really tough topic to navigate bc its so touchy and personal and ppl dont want to be associated with bad things, and so they get so defensive and start to point fingers. it makes sense to me why ppl react that way, i just think its not fair to the people who do end up doing bad things bc of their mental illness to be called inherently evil or bad, just because other ppl dont like the fact that ppl respond differently to their mental illnesses.

yeahh, really this whole explanation vs excuse, blame vs being "held accountable", good apology vs bad apology, it all feels like detracting from the topic at hand. like, if I wanna say "hey, there literally are behaviours listed as symptoms, and this particular pattern of behaviour is indeed relatively common" I have to take minutes of my time away to answer all the questions, and then everything will still derail onto them anyway. 99% of the time it absolutely isn't somebody involved demanding I stop excusing behaviour (that I never excused), it's some dumbfuck too online person, who's made "holding them accountable" their own life's mission, despite not even knowing them. I don't like having this conversation every time I say "hey, no, that is a symptom". what nuances and particulars and philosophical musings can be had around excuses vs reasons isn't actually relevant to what I said.

that isn't @ you in particular, this happens every time. my point really is just that sometimes "bad things" are the mental health disorders, and even when they're not nobody is inherently evil. I personally think people need to start philosophy 102 eventually, because I'm sick of laymen preaching morality that's barely two steps removed from original sin and catholic guilt. and that isn't anything to do with whether people need to stop woobifying an illness that can sometimes be ugly, or giving credibility to some dumbfuck lumping us all together by doing the same but simply excluding the less appealing presentations. am I making sense?

sorry this is a bit all over the place, my brain's in a bad place rn.

"we're all fucked up, let's get you some juice" is a better way to handle seeing your distorted reflection than "uwu it's okay to be something as long as you don't hurt anyone uwu don't ever hurt anyone uwu if you hurt someone you're only doing that because you're a fundamentally bad person uwu control yourself you can control yourself you must control yourself never lapse and never falter and never let the control slip you must always control this" because jesus fucking christ that shit is the most haunting crap imaginable, especially with illnesses where self-perception as a warped and monstrous version of yourself is so common and so detrimental to your state of mind, just chill the fuck out and be capable of talking about the facts of what's causing somebody's behaviour in an objective and non-moralising manner for while.

ALL OF THIS! SO MUCH! YES! EXACTLY! it's wild to me to even imagine myself doing some of the stuff I did during episodes, the things I could change (often with the help of hella meds) I did but there's always going to be a dark part of me that fucks up badly sometimes. and if I could change it I would, but I can't. I don't like being that person and having these episodes, but nobody would choose to be like this, nobody asked for this, it's a medical issue.

I’ve never seen anyone honestly self diagnose with cancer, yet I see so many who self diagnose with things like autism. ~Flareon

Quit comparing autism to cancer. Self-diagnosing cancer and not seeking an official diagnosis is pointless because people with cancer need professional treatment to cure their cancer. Self-diagnosing autism can be useful because autism is not something that needs to be fixed. 

I just woke up after passing out and what the fresh fuck is this false equivalent on my dash? You don’t self diagnose cancer because cancer seriously damages and kills you Autistic people aren’t ticking time bombs and it isnt imperative they go get treated to remain alive diagnosing yourself with a newly developed, fatal condition and diagnosing yourself with a condition youve had your entire life are not comparable

And the point was lost yet again. The whole point is not to self diagnose. 

Also @theconcealedweapon, I never said autism needed to be fixed. All I said is that if you wouldn’t self diagnose with one thing that takes a professional to diagnose, why would someone self diagnose with something else that ALSO takes a professional to diagnose? ~Flareon

You did say that autism needs to be fixed. You just said it indirectly. You compared self-diagnosing autism to self-diagnosing cancer, even though the only reason it’s bad to self-diagnose cancer is because cancer needs to be fixed. If cancer was a completely harmless condition that only caused problems because of society’s reaction to it, it would be perfectly fine to self-diagnose cancer.

Kindly stop putting words in my mouth. I was NOT implying that at all and while I am sorry you took what I said that way, that was not what I meant. I was saying that you should NEVER self diagnose EVER with anything.

Also to @vaspider, you do realize that having an officially diagnosis of autism will actually help you get a job because they wouldn’t be writing your behavior off as you being “a lunatic” (I’ve been called that by people who didn’t know I’m autistic)? And it helps in school as well, because you will be given help based on your diagnosis. There is NEVER a reason not to get a diagnosis if you actually have the disorder. ~Flareon

Yes, there are reasons to get an official diagnosis. There are also reasons not to get an official diagnosis, up to and including the fact that there is a proven and systemic bias against people with learning disabilities/MH issues as regards child services, custody, CPS, etc. – which you did not address at all. It’s such a big problem that the federal government, who are notoriously slow at addressing any bias, are actually addressing it after children have been forcibly separated from their parents for no other reason other than that their parents are officially diagnosed with learning disabilities/autism/MH issues. The children were in some cases removed from their parents within days after birth, for no reason other than that the parents had a learning disability.

I personally know parents who have had their autism brought up and count against them in custody cases. Don’t tell me it doesn’t happen – and if you think custody of your children is “no reason,” then I can’t help you.

Further, you did not address the issues of access to professionals, let alone access to professionals who are sympathetic, or who do not misdiagnose you. 

But since you’re going to ignore this and continue to make this fucking asinine comparison, let’s go with it.

In 2011, I started having horrible pain in my legs. Terrible, terrible pain in my legs. I went to see three separate doctors about it, including 2 orthopedic specialists, over 2 years. They did test after test, and they didn’t listen to what I said when I told them that my pain was bilateral. My back hurts, too, I said, but they blew that off. I think there’s something wrong with my back, I said. No, you’re just fat! 

In 2013, when I was no longer able to walk without assistance, my husband dragged me to a different doctor, who finally diagnosed me with ‘something is probably wrong with your spine.’

Easter 2013, they found a grape-sized tumor inside my spine. May 2013, it was removed. I have permanent spinal damage to this day, but I’m still alive.

So tell me again why people should put themselves through multiple years of dealing with doctors who don’t listen, who ignore symptoms, who blame anything and everything except what’s actually going on, when it isn’t a life or death situation. Yes, there are reasons to seek a professional diagnosis, but there are just as valid reasons not to do so.

And seriously, stop comparing cancer and autism, and please fucking apologize, because that was uncalled for, completely uncool, and until you’ve been through the diagnosis for both, you don’t know what it’s like.

You just. Fucking. Don’t.

Hey @eeveelutionsforequality did you know that in 2020, in the middle of the pandemic, the English government put a lot of “Do not resuscitate” orders in many disabled and neurodivergent people’s medical records WITHOUT their consent nor knowledge?? So if any of these people were to find themselves in a life threatening accident the doctors taking care of them would be legally obligated to let them die…

Or the fact that in many countries like New Zealand they have laws in which they can turn down an autistic person from entering the country literally just because they’re autistic?

Here’s the thing buddy, I know for a fact that self diagnosed autistic people do a lot more research and know a lot more about autism than you do. So how about you stop trying to tell people who are just trying to know who they are and how their brains work without being discriminated against that they’re somehow some kind of weird cartoony villain, and educate yourself. Got it?

-A diagnosed autistic person that knows how much it fucking sucks to feel like the world is against you and wishes all self diagnosed autistics support. You are valid!! And don’t let clowns tell you otherwise.

no, in october 2015 we didn’t know what would happen in 2020

this isn’t my post, I’m mod vaporeon, a different person, this post was made over seven years ago, and I don’t agree with it. I have autism myself, and have done plenty of research on it and other conditions that I have, and whether Flare vs any given person who self-diagnoses does more research is going to depend on the person. some people do make hasty snap decisions, some do thorough research, and any level in-between, and misdiagnosis is possible just like it is with a professional - in fact it’s potentially quite a bit more likely when self-diagnosing, because of those who make hasty decisions and because of a lack of access to resources for the average person, but the stakes of misdiagnosis are also lower unless you’re self-medicating. that is also why it’s different from autism to cancer - one would require urgent medical attention and medication, the other would not, so self-diagnosing with cancer would be pointless without an actual medical diagnosis quickly following (ie the self-diagnosis was self-advocacy and temporary). as the very first reblog says, they’re just not comparable in key ways, a major failing of this post. I think the key to responsible self-diagnosis is to recognise its shortcomings, do your research, and be open to being wrong always. Flare never did say, and never believed, that autism needed to be fixed though, and people need to stop putting those words in their mouth - that’s cruel and unfair to do to an autistic person (or anyone). there are valid reasons not to seek a professional diagnosis or to be unable to do so - where I live (not america) there’s a huge issue with medical services in general (access, wait times, bigoted or lazy drs, etc), and there are specific severe issues with mental health services (even longer wait times, no drs in your area so you have to drive towns over, etc), so I can totally sympathise with lack of access, fear of consequences, etc - as a victim of severe medical abuse for half a year in a psych hospital, I can empathise. hence, I don’t agree that self-advocacy and self-diagnosis are always wrong. but I don’t think it’s responsible pro-self-diagnosis advocacy to be resurrecting a post from seven years ago to accuse my friend of being ignorant of their own disorder and to yell at them about some dark shit - I don’t think that is warranted at all. this was dead. nobody had reblogged it in forever as far as I was aware. let it die. I don’t know what Flare’s opinion is now, I haven’t asked and it doesn’t really matter because we hardly use this blog now. you told Flare to stop telling people not to self-diagnose and THEY DID, SEVEN YEARS AGO. jesus fucking christ. you’re the clown here.

I wasn’t aware that you didn’t make the post, if I did I wouldn’t have tagged you, and I’m glad you were able to clear things up properly. But I’m not a clown for reblogging a public post, I didn’t even look at the date because I’m just not used to doing that. The tumblr algorithm always brings up old posts for me, I wasn’t trying to bring back an old conversation or whatever. I just saw something I didn’t agree with and so I proposed a counter argument. That’s all.

Again, thanks for clearing things up for me, and I’m sorry for disturbing you.

okay, my apologies, the tumblr algorithm is the clown here and we’re all at its mercy. I was a bit angry, so I didn’t think about that possibility. I’m glad I could clear things up, look after yourself!

Yeah, I was angry as well when I first reblogged the post, that’s why I was so harsh. Sorry for that as well. Once again, thank you. Hope you have a nice day!

you too, I'm sorry for the confrontation and for my tone, I'm glad that we managed to defeat our mutual angers together

you're allowed to be messy, you're allowed to fuck up, you can be emotional and stupid and frantic and confusing and weird and any other embarrassing thing. anyone who makes you feel otherwise, or who makes you feel like you're walking on egg shells, like you're doomed if you slip up, they shouldn't be such a big part of your life.

it isn't your fault if you can't get further away from them, but try to distance yourself mentally, and know it's their problem not yours.

for the record, this post applies to people being messy in ways you personally don't like. if you can tolerate an untidy bed, but judge a cluttered floor, you don't actually accept mess, you've just got less strict lines for what counts as mess than the average person does.

edit: stop saying "I gotta distance myself from me" you're unfunny and unoriginal. distance yourself from the thoughts, and realise I was making a post supporting people who are being made to feel like shit. including myself. and you're just mocking my attempt to reassure myself and others that we don't deserve that treatment.

you're allowed to be messy, you're allowed to fuck up, you can be emotional and stupid and frantic and confusing and weird and any other embarrassing thing. anyone who makes you feel otherwise, or who makes you feel like you're walking on egg shells, like you're doomed if you slip up, they shouldn't be such a big part of your life.

it isn't your fault if you can't get further away from them, but try to distance yourself mentally, and know it's their problem not yours.

some of my explanation/s, copy n' pasted from prior comments:

this post is about not making other people feel like shit because they're human beings with flaws, because they can't be perfect.

what you need to do is practice mindfulness, let the thoughts go, when they happen don't judge them, just let them pass. but what do I know, I've been drinking for five hundred and seventy hours.

for the record though, I do know how it feels when you are mean to you - surprisingly, tumblr user delusion of negation does struggle with mental health issues. and the post kind of covers that - in that you also have to distance yourself mentally from the things your ill brain says, let them pass, and work on mindfulness. but mostly the post just wasn't about that, I was tired of assholes making me feel like I don't deserve to exist near them if I'm not perfect. and seeing people doing that shit to other people all the fucking time online.

can we please not do "this is why I hate myself" on the "dionysus tries to reassure people not to hate themselves to cope with these big self-hatred feels" post? it just doesn't feel like the best time.

/end copy n' pasted part

every time I get to skip a queue because I'm disabled, I think back to my one guardian using that as one example of how actually it's marginalised people who are privileged. ma'am, it's because I can't stand up for that long. and it's trans privilege that I once got given vip passes, as the only working gender neutral toilet was in the vip area of the club. ma'am, it's so that I didn't get beaten up. ma'am, it's not a privilege for somebody to do something nice for you that is aiming to circumvent a danger you're subjected to. I can't skip a queue now without thinking "I wonder how many people are bitter that I can do this because they're standing in the cold for an hour", and then I think that the solution to these situations should never be to harm me, it would be to improve the venue's entrance (more metal detectors, etc) and waiting area (cover, places to sit, etc) so that the waiting experience doesn't suck enough to make anybody feel bitter upon seeing someone skip it for the sake of their health. and I don't even ask to skip btw, it's just protocol in a lot of places, and they let those with you skip it too so that you're not separated.

I feel this deeply. When I park in a handicapped spot, but I don’t have my cane that day, I get the “disapproving ableist stare” - we all know the one. Excuse me for having a good enough day that I can forego a walking aid today. But that doesn’t mean I won’t be tired when I’m done!

part of why I hate when people vandalise cars or yell at people or any of that shit, when they see "someone who isn't disabled park in the handicapped spot". I remember a guy, I think he was maybe a comedian or something, talking about how that happened to him, and so he waited for them to finish yelling then reached down and unstrapped his prosthetic leg and took it off. people are very bad at guessing who is or isn't disabled from a glance, and it's just not worth it to involve yourself. does it mean that sometimes assholes will take advantage and use the spot a disabled person needs? yes. from time to time that will happen, but it's better than yelling at a disabled person in public or committing vandalism. y'know?

My shitass dad had me as a bulldog around a lot because if i wasnt there to unload his chair and wheel him into places he would, with his up to date parking placard, get people yelling at him for not being crippled enough to park there. Or use the motor cart for groceries. Or any number of public uses of mobility aids he needed to exist. Now im falling apart the same ways and have to give people my murder bitch stare everytime i go shopping. Honestly bc of the pandemic i just stopped going out. Im so tired.

I can't drive because it's illegal with my disabilities here, but a few weeks ago I talked about the (also disabled) guy who wanted me to prove that I was disabled enough to use the disabled toilet

every time I get to skip a queue because I'm disabled, I think back to my one guardian using that as one example of how actually it's marginalised people who are privileged. ma'am, it's because I can't stand up for that long. and it's trans privilege that I once got given vip passes, as the only working gender neutral toilet was in the vip area of the club. ma'am, it's so that I didn't get beaten up. ma'am, it's not a privilege for somebody to do something nice for you that is aiming to circumvent a danger you're subjected to. I can't skip a queue now without thinking "I wonder how many people are bitter that I can do this because they're standing in the cold for an hour", and then I think that the solution to these situations should never be to harm me, it would be to improve the venue's entrance (more metal detectors, etc) and waiting area (cover, places to sit, etc) so that the waiting experience doesn't suck enough to make anybody feel bitter upon seeing someone skip it for the sake of their health. and I don't even ask to skip btw, it's just protocol in a lot of places, and they let those with you skip it too so that you're not separated.

I am not disabled, but my sister has a condition that has made it difficult for her to walk long distances. When we've gone to Disney World in the past, she's ridden in a wheelchair (originally a specially designed stroller that would hold a 6-year-old comfortably). And yes, sometimes my family got to skip the line, on the older rides. But what people do not see when they watch us go to the front and the wheelchair accessible entrance, is how difficult it is to navigate the crowds in a wheelchair outside of the specific "line" setting. People tend to only look at eye level, and miss the child in the wheelchair taking up space at waist level and below, and walk into the wheelchair, or directly in front so she can't move forward. Even in the case of "skipping the line" there's another aspect of that same situation which makes it harder.

And I don't necessarily expect Disney to "fix this" issue of the crowds, I just think it adds to the idea conversation about people thinking that accomodations mean disabled people "have it easy" when not actually understanding their lived experience, even outside of the physical pain they feel.

this kind of reminds me of the "god I wish that were me" joke every time somebody asks "so what do you do for school/work?" and I say "nothing, I'm on disability benefits". like, maybe skipping the line or not working is a little easier in isolation, but the whole entirety of life around that is harder, and parts of doing those things are harder - like getting through the crowd, or the long forms you have to fill in for benefits with legal consequences if you get anything wrong (which is hard when your disabilities affect your cognition and memory and so forth, and the questions are purposefully confusingly worded to trip people up to "catch fakers", plus interviews and calls and further attempts to trip you up, and having to repeat the whole process on a regular basis). but I honestly can't comment on disneyworld specifically because I have never been there because I can't afford to fly to another country, and the only rides I go on are those super old fairs that come to town that absolutely don't abide by any safety standards, you put your life in the hands of a drunk man who smells of oil.

every time I get to skip a queue because I'm disabled, I think back to my one guardian using that as one example of how actually it's marginalised people who are privileged. ma'am, it's because I can't stand up for that long. and it's trans privilege that I once got given vip passes, as the only working gender neutral toilet was in the vip area of the club. ma'am, it's so that I didn't get beaten up. ma'am, it's not a privilege for somebody to do something nice for you that is aiming to circumvent a danger you're subjected to. I can't skip a queue now without thinking "I wonder how many people are bitter that I can do this because they're standing in the cold for an hour", and then I think that the solution to these situations should never be to harm me, it would be to improve the venue's entrance (more metal detectors, etc) and waiting area (cover, places to sit, etc) so that the waiting experience doesn't suck enough to make anybody feel bitter upon seeing someone skip it for the sake of their health. and I don't even ask to skip btw, it's just protocol in a lot of places, and they let those with you skip it too so that you're not separated.

when brain think: "it's not fair that I get help and they don't"

remember: "it's not fair that I get help" is cringe, and "it's not fair that they don't" is based. it's not wrong to have your needs met.

Honestly, it says a lot that actual disabled people are advocating for better accessibility for able bodied people, when so many can't be bothered to do the same in return for disabled people. Accessibility should be standard for everyone. Of course those that need it most, but why stop there? Why does being able bodied mean you should have to suffer, just because you can take it? I've never bothered to ask that question before, so thank you. This Is a good post.

I think it's funny that I was going down several different mental roads on this topic - that it's unfair that anyone suffers, that people get bitter mostly because it sucks for them not because they just genuinely believe queue skipping is inherently immoral on some intrinsic fundamental level, that people who don't know what's wrong yet or for whom it's not bad enough to skip still need to be accomodated as disabled people (people with disabilities that slowly get worse might not need to skip yet, but someone like that who goes to concerts a lot might be worsening their health a lot faster than an able bodied person would be standing in the cold so often), to name a few. I think the first time I got furious about lack of aids for able bodied people was at a concert (a different one to the one that I skipped the queue at shortly prior to this post), the first time that one I went to wasn't giving out free water. pushing back through the crowd is borderline impossible, as is standing in a vending machine or bar line for that long when you're dehydrated, and back then the vending machines in big venues didn't accept cards so you'd need exact change, and most people in crowds don't realise they're dehydrated until it's too late to do all of that - you can't bring your own drinks, so years ago big enough venues used to have people around the edge and/or dotted about giving out free water. because if somebody collapses in the mosh pit and people don't notice and trample them, that can kill people - most venues would rather pay for a bit of water than a dead person, or at least they used to. these days, I've overheard trainee security people being told to just let people in if they've got water bottles in their bags (I was recently allowed into one with a water I bought outside and took the receipt in for and left sealed until I got in there, without having to give my usual speech about being disabled and needing a drink with me at all times, mostly because of meds side effects in my case), because the venue policy is stupid and the actual people on the ground don't want you to pass out. but yeah, I was going down several different mental paths around this topic, and they all just joined together so neatly on the single solution of "able people deserve to be accomodated also".

it's like, there's a museum in the castle where I live, and it can't be made accessible - you are never going to get a wheelchair down the thin corridors or up the spiral stairs, and you'd be damaging historic buildings if you built a wheelchair access to the basement. there are always going to be unavoidable things that make a certain space just impossible for certain people, or impossible to be completely safe, or whatever - we can't wrap the world in bubblewrap. but there absolutely are a lot of areas we can make better for disabled people, but also for able people. the cinema by me used to do showings for people who struggle with overstimulation, showings with subtitles, showings where the main lights aren't turned off, etc, and if you needed carers you could get a card (by just filling out a form) that meant whenever you buy a ticket you get a free ticket, and you did not have to prove whoever you took in with you actually was your carer. so if you're not autistic but you don't like the dark, now you can feel more comfortable at the cinema, and absolutely nobody is hurt by that being an option for you - if there's too many people for the showings (which there wouldn't be in my small town, but theoretically) then the cinema can just add more showings of that film. unfortunately the cinema seems to be closing because of covid and such. I was diagnosed with arthritis at about six, I have lived most of my life as the "aren't you too young to have that?" person, it eventually got bad enough that I don't get forced to prove myself every time I need to access anything, harassed by old people who think I'm faking to steal their disabled seats, etc, every time; my younger sibling is deaf and the worst case of arthritis in our age range that the specialist clinic has ever seen, amongst many other things, and they just had their benefits cut because they answered the phone and allegedly held a conversation (which we obviously don't buy because they're fucking deaf, but that's what the benefits people are claiming). they can't even lift the weight of a shopping bag. means testing gets people killed - whether that's collapsing at a gig, or losing your benefits and starving - and while I know the world will never be totally accessible to everyone, it can and should do better.

I’ve never seen anyone honestly self diagnose with cancer, yet I see so many who self diagnose with things like autism. ~Flareon

Quit comparing autism to cancer. Self-diagnosing cancer and not seeking an official diagnosis is pointless because people with cancer need professional treatment to cure their cancer. Self-diagnosing autism can be useful because autism is not something that needs to be fixed. 

I just woke up after passing out and what the fresh fuck is this false equivalent on my dash? You don’t self diagnose cancer because cancer seriously damages and kills you Autistic people aren’t ticking time bombs and it isnt imperative they go get treated to remain alive diagnosing yourself with a newly developed, fatal condition and diagnosing yourself with a condition youve had your entire life are not comparable

And the point was lost yet again. The whole point is not to self diagnose. 

Also @theconcealedweapon, I never said autism needed to be fixed. All I said is that if you wouldn’t self diagnose with one thing that takes a professional to diagnose, why would someone self diagnose with something else that ALSO takes a professional to diagnose? ~Flareon

You did say that autism needs to be fixed. You just said it indirectly. You compared self-diagnosing autism to self-diagnosing cancer, even though the only reason it’s bad to self-diagnose cancer is because cancer needs to be fixed. If cancer was a completely harmless condition that only caused problems because of society’s reaction to it, it would be perfectly fine to self-diagnose cancer.

Kindly stop putting words in my mouth. I was NOT implying that at all and while I am sorry you took what I said that way, that was not what I meant. I was saying that you should NEVER self diagnose EVER with anything.

Also to @vaspider, you do realize that having an officially diagnosis of autism will actually help you get a job because they wouldn’t be writing your behavior off as you being “a lunatic” (I’ve been called that by people who didn’t know I’m autistic)? And it helps in school as well, because you will be given help based on your diagnosis. There is NEVER a reason not to get a diagnosis if you actually have the disorder. ~Flareon

Yes, there are reasons to get an official diagnosis. There are also reasons not to get an official diagnosis, up to and including the fact that there is a proven and systemic bias against people with learning disabilities/MH issues as regards child services, custody, CPS, etc. – which you did not address at all. It’s such a big problem that the federal government, who are notoriously slow at addressing any bias, are actually addressing it after children have been forcibly separated from their parents for no other reason other than that their parents are officially diagnosed with learning disabilities/autism/MH issues. The children were in some cases removed from their parents within days after birth, for no reason other than that the parents had a learning disability.

I personally know parents who have had their autism brought up and count against them in custody cases. Don’t tell me it doesn’t happen – and if you think custody of your children is “no reason,” then I can’t help you.

Further, you did not address the issues of access to professionals, let alone access to professionals who are sympathetic, or who do not misdiagnose you. 

But since you’re going to ignore this and continue to make this fucking asinine comparison, let’s go with it.

In 2011, I started having horrible pain in my legs. Terrible, terrible pain in my legs. I went to see three separate doctors about it, including 2 orthopedic specialists, over 2 years. They did test after test, and they didn’t listen to what I said when I told them that my pain was bilateral. My back hurts, too, I said, but they blew that off. I think there’s something wrong with my back, I said. No, you’re just fat! 

In 2013, when I was no longer able to walk without assistance, my husband dragged me to a different doctor, who finally diagnosed me with ‘something is probably wrong with your spine.’

Easter 2013, they found a grape-sized tumor inside my spine. May 2013, it was removed. I have permanent spinal damage to this day, but I’m still alive.

So tell me again why people should put themselves through multiple years of dealing with doctors who don’t listen, who ignore symptoms, who blame anything and everything except what’s actually going on, when it isn’t a life or death situation. Yes, there are reasons to seek a professional diagnosis, but there are just as valid reasons not to do so.

And seriously, stop comparing cancer and autism, and please fucking apologize, because that was uncalled for, completely uncool, and until you’ve been through the diagnosis for both, you don’t know what it’s like.

You just. Fucking. Don’t.

Hey @eeveelutionsforequality did you know that in 2020, in the middle of the pandemic, the English government put a lot of “Do not resuscitate” orders in many disabled and neurodivergent people’s medical records WITHOUT their consent nor knowledge?? So if any of these people were to find themselves in a life threatening accident the doctors taking care of them would be legally obligated to let them die…

Or the fact that in many countries like New Zealand they have laws in which they can turn down an autistic person from entering the country literally just because they’re autistic?

Here’s the thing buddy, I know for a fact that self diagnosed autistic people do a lot more research and know a lot more about autism than you do. So how about you stop trying to tell people who are just trying to know who they are and how their brains work without being discriminated against that they’re somehow some kind of weird cartoony villain, and educate yourself. Got it?

-A diagnosed autistic person that knows how much it fucking sucks to feel like the world is against you and wishes all self diagnosed autistics support. You are valid!! And don’t let clowns tell you otherwise.

no, in october 2015 we didn’t know what would happen in 2020

this isn’t my post, I’m mod vaporeon, a different person, this post was made over seven years ago, and I don’t agree with it. I have autism myself, and have done plenty of research on it and other conditions that I have, and whether Flare vs any given person who self-diagnoses does more research is going to depend on the person. some people do make hasty snap decisions, some do thorough research, and any level in-between, and misdiagnosis is possible just like it is with a professional - in fact it’s potentially quite a bit more likely when self-diagnosing, because of those who make hasty decisions and because of a lack of access to resources for the average person, but the stakes of misdiagnosis are also lower unless you’re self-medicating. that is also why it’s different from autism to cancer - one would require urgent medical attention and medication, the other would not, so self-diagnosing with cancer would be pointless without an actual medical diagnosis quickly following (ie the self-diagnosis was self-advocacy and temporary). as the very first reblog says, they’re just not comparable in key ways, a major failing of this post. I think the key to responsible self-diagnosis is to recognise its shortcomings, do your research, and be open to being wrong always. Flare never did say, and never believed, that autism needed to be fixed though, and people need to stop putting those words in their mouth - that’s cruel and unfair to do to an autistic person (or anyone). there are valid reasons not to seek a professional diagnosis or to be unable to do so - where I live (not america) there’s a huge issue with medical services in general (access, wait times, bigoted or lazy drs, etc), and there are specific severe issues with mental health services (even longer wait times, no drs in your area so you have to drive towns over, etc), so I can totally sympathise with lack of access, fear of consequences, etc - as a victim of severe medical abuse for half a year in a psych hospital, I can empathise. hence, I don’t agree that self-advocacy and self-diagnosis are always wrong. but I don’t think it’s responsible pro-self-diagnosis advocacy to be resurrecting a post from seven years ago to accuse my friend of being ignorant of their own disorder and to yell at them about some dark shit - I don’t think that is warranted at all. this was dead. nobody had reblogged it in forever as far as I was aware. let it die. I don’t know what Flare’s opinion is now, I haven’t asked and it doesn’t really matter because we hardly use this blog now. you told Flare to stop telling people not to self-diagnose and THEY DID, SEVEN YEARS AGO. jesus fucking christ. you’re the clown here.

I wasn’t aware that you didn’t make the post, if I did I wouldn’t have tagged you, and I’m glad you were able to clear things up properly. But I’m not a clown for reblogging a public post, I didn’t even look at the date because I’m just not used to doing that. The tumblr algorithm always brings up old posts for me, I wasn’t trying to bring back an old conversation or whatever. I just saw something I didn’t agree with and so I proposed a counter argument. That’s all.

Again, thanks for clearing things up for me, and I’m sorry for disturbing you.

okay, my apologies, the tumblr algorithm is the clown here and we're all at its mercy. I was a bit angry, so I didn't think about that possibility. I'm glad I could clear things up, look after yourself!

I’ve never seen anyone honestly self diagnose with cancer, yet I see so many who self diagnose with things like autism. ~Flareon

Quit comparing autism to cancer. Self-diagnosing cancer and not seeking an official diagnosis is pointless because people with cancer need professional treatment to cure their cancer. Self-diagnosing autism can be useful because autism is not something that needs to be fixed. 

I just woke up after passing out and what the fresh fuck is this false equivalent on my dash? You don’t self diagnose cancer because cancer seriously damages and kills you Autistic people aren’t ticking time bombs and it isnt imperative they go get treated to remain alive diagnosing yourself with a newly developed, fatal condition and diagnosing yourself with a condition youve had your entire life are not comparable

And the point was lost yet again. The whole point is not to self diagnose. 

Also @theconcealedweapon, I never said autism needed to be fixed. All I said is that if you wouldn’t self diagnose with one thing that takes a professional to diagnose, why would someone self diagnose with something else that ALSO takes a professional to diagnose? ~Flareon

You did say that autism needs to be fixed. You just said it indirectly. You compared self-diagnosing autism to self-diagnosing cancer, even though the only reason it’s bad to self-diagnose cancer is because cancer needs to be fixed. If cancer was a completely harmless condition that only caused problems because of society’s reaction to it, it would be perfectly fine to self-diagnose cancer.

Kindly stop putting words in my mouth. I was NOT implying that at all and while I am sorry you took what I said that way, that was not what I meant. I was saying that you should NEVER self diagnose EVER with anything.

Also to @vaspider, you do realize that having an officially diagnosis of autism will actually help you get a job because they wouldn’t be writing your behavior off as you being “a lunatic” (I’ve been called that by people who didn’t know I’m autistic)? And it helps in school as well, because you will be given help based on your diagnosis. There is NEVER a reason not to get a diagnosis if you actually have the disorder. ~Flareon

Yes, there are reasons to get an official diagnosis. There are also reasons not to get an official diagnosis, up to and including the fact that there is a proven and systemic bias against people with learning disabilities/MH issues as regards child services, custody, CPS, etc. – which you did not address at all. It’s such a big problem that the federal government, who are notoriously slow at addressing any bias, are actually addressing it after children have been forcibly separated from their parents for no other reason other than that their parents are officially diagnosed with learning disabilities/autism/MH issues. The children were in some cases removed from their parents within days after birth, for no reason other than that the parents had a learning disability.

I personally know parents who have had their autism brought up and count against them in custody cases. Don’t tell me it doesn’t happen – and if you think custody of your children is “no reason,” then I can’t help you.

Further, you did not address the issues of access to professionals, let alone access to professionals who are sympathetic, or who do not misdiagnose you. 

But since you’re going to ignore this and continue to make this fucking asinine comparison, let’s go with it.

In 2011, I started having horrible pain in my legs. Terrible, terrible pain in my legs. I went to see three separate doctors about it, including 2 orthopedic specialists, over 2 years. They did test after test, and they didn’t listen to what I said when I told them that my pain was bilateral. My back hurts, too, I said, but they blew that off. I think there’s something wrong with my back, I said. No, you’re just fat! 

In 2013, when I was no longer able to walk without assistance, my husband dragged me to a different doctor, who finally diagnosed me with ‘something is probably wrong with your spine.’

Easter 2013, they found a grape-sized tumor inside my spine. May 2013, it was removed. I have permanent spinal damage to this day, but I’m still alive.

So tell me again why people should put themselves through multiple years of dealing with doctors who don’t listen, who ignore symptoms, who blame anything and everything except what’s actually going on, when it isn’t a life or death situation. Yes, there are reasons to seek a professional diagnosis, but there are just as valid reasons not to do so.

And seriously, stop comparing cancer and autism, and please fucking apologize, because that was uncalled for, completely uncool, and until you’ve been through the diagnosis for both, you don’t know what it’s like.

You just. Fucking. Don’t.

Hey @eeveelutionsforequality did you know that in 2020, in the middle of the pandemic, the English government put a lot of “Do not resuscitate” orders in many disabled and neurodivergent people’s medical records WITHOUT their consent nor knowledge?? So if any of these people were to find themselves in a life threatening accident the doctors taking care of them would be legally obligated to let them die…

Or the fact that in many countries like New Zealand they have laws in which they can turn down an autistic person from entering the country literally just because they’re autistic?

Here’s the thing buddy, I know for a fact that self diagnosed autistic people do a lot more research and know a lot more about autism than you do. So how about you stop trying to tell people who are just trying to know who they are and how their brains work without being discriminated against that they’re somehow some kind of weird cartoony villain, and educate yourself. Got it?

-A diagnosed autistic person that knows how much it fucking sucks to feel like the world is against you and wishes all self diagnosed autistics support. You are valid!! And don’t let clowns tell you otherwise.

no, in october 2015 we didn't know what would happen in 2020

this isn't my post, I'm mod vaporeon, a different person, this post was made over seven years ago, and I don't agree with it. I have autism myself, and have done plenty of research on it and other conditions that I have, and whether Flare vs any given person who self-diagnoses does more research is going to depend on the person. some people do make hasty snap decisions, some do thorough research, and any level in-between, and misdiagnosis is possible just like it is with a professional - in fact it's potentially quite a bit more likely when self-diagnosing, because of those who make hasty decisions and because of a lack of access to resources for the average person, but the stakes of misdiagnosis are also lower unless you're self-medicating. that is also why it's different from autism to cancer - one would require urgent medical attention and medication, the other would not, so self-diagnosing with cancer would be pointless without an actual medical diagnosis quickly following (ie the self-diagnosis was self-advocacy and temporary). as the very first reblog says, they're just not comparable in key ways, a major failing of this post. I think the key to responsible self-diagnosis is to recognise its shortcomings, do your research, and be open to being wrong always. Flare never did say, and never believed, that autism needed to be fixed though, and people need to stop putting those words in their mouth - that's cruel and unfair to do to an autistic person (or anyone). there are valid reasons not to seek a professional diagnosis or to be unable to do so - where I live (not america) there's a huge issue with medical services in general (access, wait times, bigoted or lazy drs, etc), and there are specific severe issues with mental health services (even longer wait times, no drs in your area so you have to drive towns over, etc), so I can totally sympathise with lack of access, fear of consequences, etc - as a victim of severe medical abuse for half a year in a psych hospital, I can empathise. hence, I don't agree that self-advocacy and self-diagnosis are always wrong. but I don't think it's responsible pro-self-diagnosis advocacy to be resurrecting a post from seven years ago to accuse my friend of being ignorant of their own disorder and to yell at them about some dark shit - I don't think that is warranted at all. this was dead. nobody had reblogged it in forever as far as I was aware. let it die. I don't know what Flare's opinion is now, I haven't asked and it doesn't really matter because we hardly use this blog now. you told Flare to stop telling people not to self-diagnose and THEY DID, SEVEN YEARS AGO. jesus fucking christ. you're the clown here.

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