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@artifactseeker-myr99

German, 21+, queer mentally-ill
ADHDer (pi subtype)
fandom trash
& so done with y’all’s bullcrap
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I mean when I say I’m queer;
solarian/novarian agender (en/em/ens; they/them),
agender-genderqueer guy masculenby; I also consider myself transneutral and mingender
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Most importantly I’m proudly Aromantic Asexual and sex-positive while sex-averse
I‘m definite political left
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Also MINORS please do yourself the FAVOR TO STAY AWAY, I don’t wanna be a bad influence so please take care and DNI for your own sake

I have a genuine question

I was looking through #low empathy and saw several posts by autists who pointed towards the difference between ‘cognitive empathy’ and ‘affective empathy’ – some stating autists struggle with cognitive empathy, others stating autists generally struggle with affective empathy

My first language is German (so the definitions in my mind may differ) and I also recall that info graphic about how “caring for someone” is made up of empathy, sympathy, compassion

As far as I am aware ‘recognising and understanding another’s perspective an feelings without experiencing the same emotions’ is sympathy

While ‘feeling alongside someone who is emoting, sharing the same emotions they feel/display’ is empathy

ETA: I looked up the Merriam-Webster definitions – which look to be the exact reverse of what I know from German

Sympathy – an affinity, association, or relationship between persons or things wherein whatever affects one similarly affects the other; the act or capacity of entering into or sharing the feelings or interests of another; inclination to think or feel alike
Empathy – the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner
Sympathy and empathy are closely related words, bound by shared origins and the similar circumstances in which each is applicable, yet they are not synonymous. For one thing, sympathy is considerably older than empathy, having existed in our language for several hundred years before its cousin was introduced, and its greater age is reflected in a wider breadth of meaning. Sympathy may refer to "feelings of loyalty" or "unity or harmony in action or effect," meanings not shared by empathy. In the contexts where the two words do overlap, sympathy implies sharing (or having the capacity to share) the feelings of another, while empathy tends to be used to mean imagining, or having the capacity to imagine, feelings that one does not actually have.

But according to the ‘cognitive empathy’ & ‘affective empathy’ divide the first one would be cognitive empathy rather than sympathy and the second one would be affective empathy

And I can not find a source that actually compares sympathy to both kinds of empathy described

It’s always either ‘sympathy vs empathy’ or ‘cognitive empathy vs affective empathy’

I would like to understand this better

The problem here is that there are colloquial definitions, like in the dictionary, and then there are research definitions, and when it comes to research on autism you need to use the research definitions. But then there’s a second issue where empathy researchers can’t always agree on the same definition (and I know because I am one). So I’m going to give you the most agreed-upon definitions.

Affective empathy is shared feeling of emotion or sensation. If I ’m hammering a nail and accidentally hit my thumb instead, and you flinch, get a sudden lurch in your stomach, etc., then you’re experiencing affective empathy. It’s often automatic and shared - we partially mimic what the other person is feeling and we feel a bit of it ourselves. This can also be true for things other than physical pain, too, like if I’m crying and you feel a flash of that sadness.

Cognitive empathy involves taking people’s perspective (physically as well as figuratively) and understanding the complexities of why someone may be feeling or thinking something. If I’m looking at a photo of an elderly woman and crying, it involves cognitive empathy for you to decode that and understand that I probably know the woman and something bad must have happened to her. You need to put together clues about my facial expression, body language, context of my age the age of the woman in the photo, whether we look similar, etc., and you might come to the conclusion that she is my grandmother and she may be sick or have recently died, and I’m sad about losing her. You can understand all that without sharing in what I’m feeling, though.

If you do piece together I’m sad because my grandmother recently died, and then you feel some of my sadness too, then you have utilized both cognitive and affective empathy. And if you feel like you want to comfort me because you’ve understood my emotional state, then you’re experiencing compassion (often called empathic concern in the research).

Research on people with autism shows they are more likely to have deficits in cognitive empathy, because it involves understanding complex social cues. However, they DON’T usually have affective empathy deficits.

In the grandmother scenario, a person with autism (keeping in mind it’s a spectrum and there’s a ton of variation), may not understand why I’m sad, but may recognize sadness in my facial expression and feel a small portion of my sadness. Or they may not share in that sadness unless they are able to decode the situation or have it decoded for them. Or they may experience compassion in that they recognize that something is wrong and they care for me and don’t want me to be sad, without necessarily needing all the context. Or they could have no problems with any of it! Like I said, it’s a spectrum.

And as for sympathy? Well sometimes researchers use it to mean the most basic kind of affective empathy, where you’re feeling what someone else is feeling. Brene Brown tried to convince the world it means pity without empathy. Basically when it comes to the research it’s a useless concept because no one can agree on what it means. I know that’s a very unsatisfying answer!

Also since this is a touchy topic I want to point out that you can care for other people and do things to help them without relying on either cognitive OR affective empathy. Empathy is one path toward helping others, but it is not the only path. Empathy can also be used for harm, so having or not having it shouldn’t be equated with morality.

Sorry this is long! I literally wrote my dissertation on empathy, so I have a lot to say about it lol

following weird horny furries who are into shit like pooltoys and transformation and stuff is enrichment. the vitamins and minerals of posting

#always excited to learn about a new weird kink and then do nothing with that knowledge whatsoever

still fine if it awakens something, my brain weasels need some variety in their diet tbh

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“You put porn in child safe spaces.” Then why do the “child safe spaces” have ratings and tags, Karen?

AO3 AND TUMBLR ARE NOT CHILD SAFE SPACES. Yes, it’s true that a lot of child safe spaces are being destroyed on the internet, but ao3 and tumblr are not those places and were never meant to be. LEARN TO CURATE YOUR OWN INTERNET EXPERIENCE OR GET OFF THE INTERNET.

PSA: When you “Subscribe” on a work’s page on Ao3, it subscribes to that work specifically.

If you want to subscribe to a user, you must click their name and hit Subscribe on the user page.

If you want to subscribe to a series, you must click on the series title and Subscribe from the series page.

(I’m saying this because I very frequently get subscriptions on one-shot that I have given no indication of planning to continue, including one that was in a series, so if I was to continue it, the subscribed person would not even know because it would be a new work in the series.)

Also FYI writers do not get notifications about subscriptions or bookmarks the way they do about comments and kudos.

idk man i think that if you can read dozens and dozens of trans men talking about how their support systems abandoned them when they started getting too masculine on T or had top surgery or whatever, and queer spaces started treating them like threats or potential predators, and you find these stories going back to the 90s or even earlier, and you read all of that and come away thinking that there’s nothing wrong with how progressive communities treat men, you are just fundamentally beyond help dude. you don’t see us as people

a lot of people are somehow misinterpreting this post as saying that trans women Don't experience alienation or ostracization from queer, feminist, and/or progressive communities, to which i say: i am not responsible for your belief that trans men and trans women have to have entirely separate and opposite experiences. if you think that trans men experiencing something implies that trans women can't experience it, that's on you! you might want to sit and have a think about how you see the world and whether or not you're buying into the (deeply patriarchal!) idea that men and women are entirely separate from each other. you might learn something.

I really wish we'd collectively decide to stop pushing the whole "brains aren't fully developed until age 25" thing.

I've seen this three separate times this week and two of those came from TERF's arguing that 1) no one under the age of 25 should be allowed to medically transition, and 2) that puberty blockers also block brain development and prevent trans youth from becoming adults/developing adult brains.

Is this really the direction that we want to go here? 24 year olds not considered fully adults, not allowed to make their own medical decisions? Because this is what anti-trans people are pushing for in regards to gender affirming healthcare.

Maybe it's the pissed off millennial in me sick of the infantilization of my generation. Maybe it's because I'm transmasc and I've seen repeatedly how TERFs infantilize trans men and transmasc people. Maybe I'm just too neurodivergent for this bullshit and entirely creeped out and disgusted by the concept of mental age in every form. But this is not the damned way.

It's not even an entirely accurate statement--We already know that brain development continues well into our 30's and beyond, and it varies by person.

Personally I'm glad that I can't relate to that nonsense. I'll be 30 later this year and my very neurodivergent self is still becoming, still learning, and still doing new things all the time that I never thought I'd be capable of doing. I'm worthy of bodily autonomy and respect now, and I was before 25 and before 18 too.

People don't have to have "fully developed brains" in order to be deserving of bodily autonomy and the freedom to make their own medical decisions.

People don't have to be adults--in any way--to be worthy of having their gender identity respected.

And we don't have to be neurotypical to be worthy of having access to gender affirming health care.

The original post is from January 2022.

As of May 2023:

  • Nationwide, 30.5% of trans youth live in states that have passed bans on gender affirming care (x)
  • 75% of transgender youth in the South now live in a state where a ban on gender affirming care has passed. (x)
  • In at least five states, Republican legislators have proposed bills that would abolish gender care for minors as well as young adults. Some are attempting to ban it for anyone under 21, and others for those under 26. (x)
  • At least two states (Georgia and Missouri) have specifically targeted autistic trans people in their proposed bans. (x)

It was never a secret what they were planning to do to us; all they needed was power and opportunity.

Oh, and once again,

  • mental age is not a thing
  • brains are not magically cooked well done at age 25
  • adults with developmental disabilities are adults
  • trans youth deserve access to gender affirming care.

“Is Fredericksburg, VA the South?” “Is San Antonio, TX the South?” These are boring questions. The real question is where the South ends in Missouri and Kentucky. Lexington seems more Southern than Louisville and they’re like 10 feet away from each other

In the grand tradition of drawing borders that ignore ground realities, here is my definitive solution:

Hope this helps*!

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This reminds me of the time my Indiana friend group discord was having a debate on of we're southern enough to say "y'all." My brother said no, I said yes, someone else said that I-70 gets used a lot as the line south of which is The South because you gotta draw it somewhere and we all generally agreed that made sense, and I said that I won on the technicality that we grew up like 10 miles south of 70, therefore I can continue to semi-ironically say "y'all" as much as I want to.

Wild. See, my thinking is that "y'all" usage is one of the primary heuristics to determine what is and is not The South, rather than whether you're part of the South determining whether you can say "y'all". Which is why if I were making the map with more nuance, upstate New York would also be The South.

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That was pretty much my argument also, if you can say "y'all" and it doesn't sound fake, congrats, you're southern enough to say "y'all." Keeps things simple.

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But we said 'y'all' up north, too. Because we live near Chicago and y'all is also commonly used in AAVE. So we grew up saying g 'y'all.'

aziraphale is gonna turn into such a massive bitch in heaven because the coffee is gonna suck and he's going to want to do things the human way and all the angels will be like "what are you doing we have powers for that" and he'll be like "but I like doing it this way" and then he'll get peer pressured into not doing it this way and he'll keep throwing huge hissy fits and be like "oh if only I had someone to complain to" and then everyone will be like "how's the second coming of Christ coming along?" and he'll be like "oh fine fine" when in actuality he's spying on crowley bawling his eyes out to fleetwood mac in a tesco parking lot on a company monitor like a pervert

Seeing people shoot raptors in other countries is fucking wild to me because we have a whole system of super strict laws governing how you can handle an individual FEATHER off of an eagle, and it doesn't have to even be a dead eagle. One can molt and you can find it on the ground and if you're caught with it the warden will fuck your entire life. What do you mean people are out there shooting them to protect a fucking pheasant. A pheasant??? That thing I have to avoid running over approximately 459 times any time I leave a major highway???

My good friend @prismaticate has asked a very good question here, and while I’m not entirely sure I’m qualified to explain it and would love some input from more qualified sources, my SUPER simplified understanding of why the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 and its numerous modern revisions and addendums have clauses about this included is this:

-It’s basically impossible to tell a feather that’s been picked up off the ground from one that’s been taken from a poached bird

-This used to be a MAJOR problem when bird-feather hats and the like were in high demand back in the day, because several bird species on the edge of extinction kept getting poached in spite of the new laws protecting them since people would just say they “found” any feathers from protected species used in the stuff they were selling, and you couldn’t prove otherwise unless you literally caught them in the act of poaching

-This eventually got SO bad that they had to just make it illegal to have the feathers at all, with certain exceptions made for members of different indigenous groups, or authorized organizations that display them as part of efforts to educate the public about the species they belong to

@zooophagous is this a reasonable rundown? Was there anything I missed/any better sources you might recommend to learn more about this? I know it’s probably far more nuanced than that, but this was kind of the explanation I’d always seen floating around. 😅

That's pretty much the gist of it! Eagles and eagle feathers have more laws on top of that because of their sacred uses in certain indigenous practices, how they relate to legal falconry, and because eagles at one time were highly endangered while at the same time being a national symbol. Where a cop or a game warden may shrug and look the other way if you, say, illegally picked up a chickadee feather from your bird feeder, if they see a real eagle feather they will notice and will be VERY interested in where it came from.

Not long ago here someone was arrested and charged for violating these laws because they tried to sell a plains feather bonnet at a pawn shop, claiming they had "found it while exploring an abandoned house."

The clerk suspected it was real eagle, the warden confirmed it was, and because those feathers are so tightly tracked they were able to locate the family of the previous owners who said the item had been stolen some time ago.

If nobody knows you have it, obviously you can get away with it. But if they see it, or God forbid you try to SELL it, the hammer will fall.

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Im surprised every time people think it's a crazy sounding law, it is genuinely one of the only things preventing a lot of native birds from extinction or any asshole could kill as many as they want and just say they found them on the ground

Wait, poaching wasn’t about the meat, it was about the feathers?

The collapse of bird populations in the USA in the late 1800s thru early 1900s was very much about feathers.

At its peak the feather trade had feathers that were worth more than gold. Commercial hunters would shoot birds out of the sky and sell feathers by the pound, in literal huge crates. Egrets were especially sought after for their beautiful breeding plumage, which was used in fancy hats and accessories. This wrought havoc on the poor birds because they only ever had this plumage during breeding season, so not only were the breeding birds dying, they were leaving next generation's chicks and eggs behind to die of neglect.

Beyond hats, the gentleman's art of fly tying was also a popular art form, more for the sake of showing off one's rare collection of feathers and art than for actual fishing.

There was some meat hunting as well before the banning of commercial hunting, mostly ducks and geese, which also drifted close to extinction as they were taken to be sold in markets.

Even white tailed deer, the ubiquitous animal that's found all over north America in truly ridiculous numbers, came dangerously low. But meat wasn't where the money was when it came to birds. It was feathers.

The Lacey act banned commercial hunting in the United States, putting an end to the constant unregulated commercial killing to fill market stalls with meat (which incidentally is why you don't see venison in most supermarkets in the states. Only farmed deer is legally allowed to be sold.)

And the Migratory Bird Treaty Act made it a crime to not only kill a bird, but to even posess a single feather from one. Most people won't buy a hat that would get them arrested if they wore it outside, so the market for feathers was gutted.

Even though feather hats aren't popular in this day and age, nobody is in a hurry to amend these laws, as birds in general are well loved and popular animals and still very much threatened by other stressors such as pollution and habitat loss.

So why didn't/doesn't anybody try domesticating some of these birds to farm for feathers? I know it's possible to buy real down bedding and pillows, presumably because the feathers come from domestic breeds. Plus wouldn't you get more feathers per bird that way?

Domestication is a lengthy process that takes multiple generations. If your bird only has one breeding season a year, that means you may have hundreds or even thousands of years before you have a truly domestic bird. And egrets are not an easy bird to keep like chickens. By the time the 1800s rolled around, domestic ducks and geese had already existed for thousands of years.

There wasn't a push to farm egrets because at the time, many people simply didn't even believe it was possible for an animal to be hunted to extinction. People reveled in the "bounty of nature" and the thought that you could take too much from it simply didn't cross their minds. There was no need to domesticate what you could get for free. Not every animal is a good candidate for domestication and keeping enough of these birds to keep up with demand would be nigh impossible.

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Crowley shifting into protective husband mode

Yup. And this on why I think Season 3 will have Crowley in heaven. Heartbroken or not, it’s gonna take him 20 minutes to consider Heaven might’ve just counted on him ditching the opportunity to come back, so they could separate the two.

So he’s going to try and jump at the offer.