blood148 asked for clarification/more info

This is what I’m referring to:

The Mexica Movement / Mexica
Mexika Resistence
Chicano Nationalists
Caney Circle Taino
Jatibonicu Taino
United Confederation of Taino People
Guata Macu (Taino)

These are all neo-indigenous groups (except Chicano Nationalism but it uses the same neo-indigenous language/is almost to that point). They’re not Indigenous, they’re “revivalists” despite the fact that there are Indigenous Mexican peoples, Maya peoples, and Taino people who still exist and don’t need to be “revived”.

My posts:

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About Neo-Taino groups

Hopefully Mayanism comes off as so ridiculous that we don’t need to say anything.

We have an issue being heard. Many of us have language barriers when it comes to larger Indigenous solidarity. We have a much smaller amount of representatives of our Pueblos in northern circles than the numbers of these neo-groups. When we try to participate in inter-tribal events, discussions, and spaces we have to constantly come up against these groups getting more airtime because they have self-identified and established themselves without question, all mostly in the U.S. and Canada.

There is a constant feeling of exclusion that Latin American Indigenous people feel in the States and Canada as far as feeling welcome and a part of Native spaces. It has been getting better but these neo-groups are still constantly talking over us and all the amount of explaining their harm, eye rolling, writing, critiquing, etc. etc. we do seems to have very minimal effect.

anonymous asked:

This makes sense to me at least because I'm Dominican ethnically but born in the US and bi/multiracial. I'm not white passing, I've been mistaken for Asian and Native American. Racially speaking, I am black & white, specifically Spanish, & maybe Taino. Race is socially constructed and ethnicity & nationality don't make you a certain race. Thank you for explaining to some other anons.

No problem 😊

They [Europeans] took infants [Tainos] from their mothers’ breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them headfirst against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby.

Brief Account of the Devastation of the Indies; by Bartolome de Las Casas, 1542

and ppl wonder why I’M so fuckin “radical”,why I get so fuckin angry. THIS IS WHY. fuck cristobal colon. he doesn’t even deserve capital letters. he stole all the capital he wanted.


So they’re trying to erase Taino identity in the Dominican republic? Why haven’t I heard about this till now?

This is type serious I am not okay with this and they are only 200+ signatures away in their petition Law 275-97 needs to be stopped!

go sign their petition please.

it Only requires name and email (optional comment). It will ask you to donate, but you can do what I did (cause I am broke and cannot afford to) and just go click yourself to the home page and your sig will still be counted- however if you can donate, do it. US money goes WAAYYYYY farther then.

I just wanna know why so many Natives wanna co-sign L.A. neo-indigenous movements (Mexica, neo-Taino, etc.).. or not signal boost us talking about the harm they do.

I honestly can’t understand it. Like we’re here. Sharing our experiences. If you don’t believe us you can even google stuff. You can look at these movements/groups official websites and see all this monolithic/fatalistic/neo-”revivalist/revisionist” language that you wouldn’t dare let others utter.

I don’t get it. I never have and I never will.


The chiefdoms of Hispaniola (Haiti & Dominican Republic) delineated the island of Hispaniola (Quisqueya “Ayiti” or “Bohio” in Taíno) into five independent territories at the time of their discovery by the Spaniards in 1492. Each was governed by a cacique who held absolute power over their people. The Taíno inhabitants were of Arawak origin and were the first people to greet the Spanish.

Here is the God the Spaniards worship. For these they fight and kill; for these they persecute us and that is why we have to throw them into the sea… They tell us, these tyrants, that they adore a God of peace and equality, and yet they usurp our land and make us their slaves. They speak to us of an immortal soul and of their eternal rewards and punishments, and yet they rob our belongings, seduce our women, violate our daughters. Incapable of matching us in valor, these cowards cover themselves with iron that our weapons cannot break…
—  Hatuey, as he showed the Taínos of Caobana (Cuba) a basket of gold and jewels. 

Taino Indians Counted Out Of Existence

There are those who self-identify as Taino Indians today and they are making sure that they are counted in the upcoming 2010 census.

Present day Taínos argue that they were not entirely killed off and that many of them escaped into the mountains and others intermarried with their conquerors and survived.

this video features Roberto “Múkaro” Borrero (“A response to the claim of Taíno extinction”) and Gabriel Haslip-Viera (“The Myth of Taíno survival in the Spanish speaking Caribbean”)

Anonymous Q: Are there still indians in the Dominican Republic? If yes, do they speak a language other than Spanish?  

i’m glad you asked this question becuz i’m taking two classes - Women in the Caribbean and Dominican Identity — that have discussed this question in great detail. By Indians i assume you mean the indigenous of Quisqueya/Hayti (Hispaniola), or more specifically, the Arawak, Caribs, and Tainos.

Denise Oliver Velez of my WITC class is a cultural anthopologist and is convinced that Tainos are extinct. how she came to that conclusion i am still not clear on. Ligia Aldana, an Afro Colombiana for my DR ID class, gives Taino survival more benefit of the doubt through cultural transcendence and inter generational transmission.

this question is a hot topic among cultural academics. if you google “myth of taino extinction you’ll find some good links. i picked out two articles that demonstrate both sides of the debate: pro-Taino survival vs. pro-Taino extinction. also if you youtube taino’ there are videos that touch on this subject, especially this documentary Lost History: Rediscovering the Taíno People.

also these videos:

Beyond Extinction: Consciousness of Taíno and Caribbean Indigeneity

Taino Indians Counted Out Of Existence

there also exists a United Confederation of Taino People (UCTP) that claims a Taino identity. i still have to do some more research to reach a conclusion, but i lean toward pro-survival.

*update* in terms of language, i’m not sure. but i do know that Taino language is alive in Dominican Spanish. for example, any words or names of places with -gua- (guagua-bus, aguacate-avocado, etc) are influenced by Taino language. huracan (hurricane) is also a Taino word.

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¿Hay gente como ustedes en cielo?“ Preguntó Hatuey.

En 1511, Diego Velásquez partió de La Española (ahora la República Dominicana) para conquistar y colonizar a Cuba. Entre sus soldados estaba Hernán Cortéz, que posteriormente conquistaría a Méjico. Al llegar a Cuba, Velásquez fundó a Baracoa la primera población española.

Hatuey, un jefe Taíno de isla de La Española, que había escapado en canoas con alrededor de cuatrocientos hombres, mujeres y niños, advirtió a los cubanos lo qué podían esperar de los españoles. Él les explicó la necesidad de unirse contra los hombres blancos el enemigo común, los que habían infligido mucho sufrimiento a su pueblo. 

Según lo reportado más tarde por el sacerdote Bartolomé de Las Casas, Hatuey mostró a los cubanos una cesta llena de oro y de joyas. Y dijo “este es el dios que los españoles adoran. Por esto ellos luchan y matan; por esto nos persiguen y es por eso qué tenemos que lanzarlos al mar" 

Ellos nos dicen, "que adoran a un dios de la paz y de la igualdad, pero usurpan nuestras tierras y nos hacen sus esclavos. Nos hablan de un alma inmortal y de sus recompensas y castigos eternos, pero roban nuestras pertenencias, seducen a nuestras mujeres, violan a nuestras hijas. Y como no pueden igualarnos en valor, estos cobardes se cubren con hierro que nuestras armas no pueden romper.”

Los Taínos de Cuba oriental y central no podían creer el horrible mensaje de Hatuey, y solamente unos pocos se le unieron.

La estrategia de Hatuey contra los españoles fue la de atacar, a manera de guerrilla, y después dispersarse a las lomas, donde los se reagrupaban para el siguiente ataque. Por cerca de tres meses las tácticas de Hatuey mantuvieron a los españoles a la defensiva, asustados de dejar la fortaleza de Baracoa. 

Gracias a un traidor, Velásquez pudo rodear y capturar a Hatuey. En Febrero 2, 1512, Hatuey fue atado en una hoguera en el campo español, donde fue quemado vivo. Momentos antes de encender el fuego, un sacerdote le ofreció la salvación de su alma, mostrándole la cruz y pidiendo que él aceptara a Jesús para ir al cielo. “¿Hay gente como ustedes en cielo?” Preguntó Hatuey. “Hay muchos como nosotros en cielo” contestó el sacerdote. Hatuey contestó que él no deseaba saber nada de un dios que permitía que tal crueldad fuera hecha en su nombre. 

What fucking bullshit is this?!?!?!?

Puerto Ricans have AFRICAN ancestry. We’re literally a mix of Spanish conquistadors, African slaves, and Taínos. Any Puerto Rican that has anything against black people really needs to look at their fucking history.

Latinos (including Puerto Ricans!) and Black folk fucking created Hip-hop!! I’m talking the spoken form(Rap), the written or visual form(Graffiti), the aural form(DJing), and the physical form(Breaking).

Is this some bullshit white folk are trying to spread or what?


So it’s alright. It pretty much outlines to debate of “are the extinct or not”.

There are things that bug me- but go watch it and form your own opinion.

Breathing life into an extinct ethnicity

The Taínos were the first Native Americans to meet European explorers in the Caribbean. They soon fell victim to the diseases and violence brought by the outsiders, and today no Taínos remain.

But the footprints of this extinct ethnicity are scattered throughout the genomes of modern Puerto Ricans, according to geneticist Carlos Bustamante at the Stanford University School of Medicine in Stanford, California. On average, the genomes of Puerto Ricans contain 10 to 15% Native American DNA, which is largely Taíno, says Bustamante.

At a presentation at the12th International Congress of Human Genetics in Montreal, Canada, Bustamante described preliminary results from a study that aims to reconstruct the genetic features of the Taíno people. The cryptic information was found in the genomes of 70 modern Puerto Ricans, some of the latest additions to the ongoing 1000 Genomes project, an international consortium whose goal is to find the variations in DNA sequence among the genomes of all human populations. Read more.