mnot

I am very emotional about a teen Dan Howell that’s fallen in love with every aspect of music and makes a list of musical instruments that he wants to play one day and there are times where he reads about an instrument or hears a new concerto and in a frenzy texts Phil like “OH MY GOD GET ON SKYPE I HAVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT THIS THING CALLED A UKULIN” and he just gushes with Phil about different musical selections and instruments and how wonderful music is and iM VERY EMOTIONAL RIGHT NOW

siuilaruin replied to your post:

Yah, I was never okay with that. Especially because its supposed to be some kind of allegory or prediction for the “obesity epidemic” nonsense that is going on right now.

ubernutella replied to your post:

it’s really blatant

It made me really sad, because Pixar is usually one of the better major media companies out there when it comes to this sort of representation. I hope there was enough of an outcry about it that they won’t do anything like that again.

mnot replied to your post:

I thought the film was less fatphobic and moreso trying to mock extreme laziness and our developing culture of passivity and neglect of active and intelligent thought. To me, it was more actively choosing stupidity = bad, rather than being fat = bad.

So, the problem is that the movie explicitly links fatness with laziness. Presenting laziness (and passivity and neglect of active/intelligent thought) in a negative light isn’t inherently awful, but the movie chooses a particular body shape and size to represent that laziness, and that’s a crude stereotype. In reality, being lazy doesn’t make you fat, and being fat isn’t a sign that someone is lazy. The people in Wall-E could still lounge around in motorchairs all day, drinking cupcakes-in-a-cup and refusing to question the received wisdom about their lives, without them all being fat. Instead the producers chose to correlate fatness with that slew of negative traits which in no way reflect the behavior of actual fat people. That’s the issue here.

Remember in the first Matrix movie, when Neo first gets rescued and he can’t move his muscles because his body is so atrophied from disuse? Wall-E could easily have presented some people with his kind of body shape, rather than having them all be fat. Instead, they sent a message to audiences (whether intentionally or not) that laziness makes you fat and that all fat people are lazy. For a movie targeted at young people who are just learning how to navigate their social circles and interact with people who are different than them, that’s a really shitty message to send.

Edited to add: Not to mention the possible self-image issues for audience members, particularly children, who fit that body shape themselves!

OH MY GOD I’M GOING TO MISS MY DRUNK GIRAFFE SO MUCH AND IN FIVE MONTHS TIME THERE WILL BE NO MORE RAGGEDY DOCTOR OKAY NO MORE BOWTIES OR JAMMIE DODGERS OR FEZZES AND NO MORE FLOPPY FRINGE AND THE TWEED AND THOSE DAMN BOOTS

NO MORE BABY ELEVEN

MY DOCTOR IS LEAVING AND IT’S LIKE ENDING A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP THAT I NEVER HAD OKAY SO SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET THIS FANDOM HAVE IT’S MOMENT TO BE EMOTIONAL

mnot replied to your post:

Yeah, you’re right, lazy does not automatically equal fat, by any means, to me, the extremity of of the whole scenario made it feel separate - but you’re right, it’s creeping me out a little that it was an assumption I so easily made :/

Ruining people’s enjoyment of harmless fun is one of my specialties. =P But yeah, it’s a shame because it really was such a good movie besides this issue.

mnot replied to your post:

Ah, I see your point. To me, the obesity aspect was just so, idk, “obviously” a side-effect of nobody having moved for, well, decades and eating 24/7 that it my mind it was completely separate from negatively commenting on being fat today. But that was fairly naïve, I guess. I hadn’t really considered the impact on children who don’t really have the capabiltiy to conciously separate, in a sense, the link…

But again, people don’t uniformly become fat just by sitting around all day (and that sort of change wouldn’t be passed on genetically, especially in a time frame as short as 700 years). Moreover, though, I would say that your reaction to this aspect of the movie is the really troubling thing — that it seemed obvious to you, and I’m sure many other audience members, that the lazy people would be fat. It’s not that Pixar was inventing these stereotypes about fatness, but they were certainly reinforcing them.