ken-hoinsky

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in case you needed any more proof that Ken Hoinsky (TofuTofu, on Reddit) and the people that associate with him are human garbage… you’re welcome

-hey look racism. are you surprised… I’m not surprised
-fat hatred… still not surprised, but there it is
-a “fun story” is one about the time you tried to pressure a woman into sex for 20 minutes, instead of taking the first “no” for an answer, and she had to leave in a taxi because you made her so uncomfortable, and somehow that is lol-worthy
-women who want lasting relationships are stupid and should just take their panties off for me!!
-when a woman rejects you it’s because she’s “programmed to say no”

700+ people donated to Hoinsky’s Kickstarter and raised over $16,000

but the protest against the book was a "witch hunt" and feminists are "just looking for things to be angry about"

Above The Game is a popular step-by-step guide for getting good with women. I am publishing it as a full-length book.

THROWS UP EVERYWHERE

Always the nice guy, my first three girlfriends cheated and dumped me for the other guy.

just a nice guy getting friendzoned

DISGUSTING DISGUSTING DISGUSTING IT ONLY GETS WORSE

Your Periodic Kickstarter Funded Ken Hoinsky Above The Game Update

Hey, remember that Kickstarter sexual assault manual debacle a while back? Where some Reddit PUA creep got thousands of dollars to spread his “wisdom” about  ”getting women?” You know, this one? With the petition you all signed for shitty white dude Ben Kassoy to capitalize on, getting paid to write an article in Glamour humanizing him? Well…

You Feminist Writers. You just want to complain! Apparently he is running women’s focus groups, and dating seminars in NYC. Thank you, Kickstarter and especially thank you Ben - your incompetence and excuses have done nothing but empower this misogynist creep. 

Seriously, this is gross as hell to read. It’s the same core mindset that led to the offensive material that started this shitshow in the first place. Pestering women endlessly, being hilariously dishonest in public, angrily stating they just don’t understand, and falling back on their white dude savior Ben. Ken hasn’t learned a damn thing, or changed an ounce. 

The blame here is to be laid at a lot of people - Kickstarter, for not vetting submissions. Ben Kassoy, disingenuous ass who chose to capitalize on women’s struggles with an online petition. Casey Malone who wrote a big masterpost telling all these women to give up their individual voices and sign Ben’s petition… a lot of supposedly “good” organizations and people failed here. Now you have this predator, this abuser going around NYC, spreading his “gospel,” harassing women on social media, so on and so forth. 

This is that whole “allyship” problem, where men declare themselves feminists and/or good people, assume positions of leadership, and manage to cut women out of the picture entirely. Well done. Pat yourselves on the goddamn back, as you’ve only made everything worse. 

Look, if scary horror-movie violin music started playing whenever a sociopathic rapist walked in the room, we wouldn’t have a rape problem.

But it doesn’t.

And rapists are very charming people. That’s what they do. The most successful manipulator will convince you that you are safe in their arms until it is too late. A successful manipulator will convince you that you don’t need pepperspray or karate or your cell phone. A successful manipulator will make you feel good about yourself and them. A rapist with big red horns and scaly green skin who jumps out and yells “SWIGGITY SWAPIST I’M A RAPIST” is an unsuccessful rapist.

If it was that easy to tell who the rapists are from a distance, we wouldn’t have a rape problem.

Above the Game
  1. The author is a douchebag.
  2. Everyone who is petitioning it is a fucking moron. You’re making him ‘infamous’ and that will direct more people to his book when it’s released. Great job, fuckwits.
  3. Kickstarter shouldn’t remove it because that would breach their own policies and invoke ‘standards’ for what should/should not be listed. Just deal with it and don’t buy it.

When are you people going to learn that nobody gives a shit about your feelings and the only way to avoid or lessen the blow of things you dislike is by ignoring them?

Creating petitions and harassing Kickstarter to remove it will only drive publicity and suddenly this guy will be viewed as a lesser Tucker Max—which is probably what he wants. Shut your stupid fucking gobs already.

Glad Kickstarter realized this. Too bad they can’t un-fund the project though. Donating to RAINN is a good start to undo their mistake.

http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/we-were-wrong

(Concerning the guy who funded a how-to sexual assault guide.)

Also, dosomething.org is sending one of their team to meet with the creator of the guide to help him change his book to no longer promote sexual assault. There’s more on that here, under the updates tab: http://www.dosomething.org/petition/kickstarter

I’m glad that they are reviewing their terms and conditions to prohibit future seduction guides. This is just an example of how young people can influence real world outcomes and help fight the sexist views of society.

anonymous asked:

you're just a whiny bitch taking that guy's words out of context to make him look bad when anyone with a brain can tell he said multiple times that he doesn't think rape is okay

You may consider me a bitch, but I’m not whiny and I do have a brain. The words I used in that photoset may have been “taken out of context” but anyone familiar with the issue, or anyone who clicks on the link I provided in my post, will understand that the context in which these things were said is a collection of “seduction” advice for people who have difficulty approaching women. The words are almost entirely direct quotes (some have been truncated for space reasons or paraphrased to avoid redundancy) so if you think those words make Ken Hoinsky look bad, maybe you need to step back and examine why that is. Maybe you think those words make him look bad because you think it’s bad to advise pushing past someone’s boundaries instead of advocating for enthusiastic consent. If that’s how you feel, then you’re a decent human being! And you and I are on the same side.

A self-described “master pickup artist” used Kickstarter to raise 800% of his target goal to publish a book that encourages men to aggressively dominate women — specifically without asking for permission — if they want to get laid. After widespread protest, Kickstarter called the project “abhorrent and inconsistent with our values as people and as an organization,” but allowed the project to be funded, taking their 5% cut of the earnings. Here’s the company’s explanation.

What’s up with this whole Ken hoinsky nonsense and kickstarter? He’s writing a book on “seduction” called “Don’t ask for permission” with fabulous quotes such as ” “Pull out your c**k and put her hand on it. Remember, she is letting you do this because you have established yourself as a LEADER. Don’t ask for permission, GRAB HER HAND, and put it right on your d**k.”

Sign this petition to get his kickstarter funding SHUT DOWN

http://www.dosomething.org/petition/kickstarter

In context, Hoinsky recommends the pushing-her-hand-onto-your-penis thing after you’ve spent hours constantly testing her boundaries and pretending that you don’t understand polite demurrals, so that by the time you’ve gotten to the penis-touching, she has gotten the message that you will not be taking no for an answer tonight. Yes, he does tell his readers not to force sex on someone who literally starts to panic and fight you off, but think about that: It’s basically an admission that he’s coaching his readers into taking it right up to the legally unambiguous rape line and learning how to toe it. And even then, he advises his readers not to take no for an answer.

By the time a woman shoves or yells, she’s probably been trying politely for a long time to say no, and this is her last-ditch effort. And even then, he says that you should only take it as a signal to take a break and try again. Hoinksy claims that once women relent to these high-pressure tactics and just have sex with you, they’ll like it. This is, of course, fantasy.

So I heard about that ridiculously misogynistic Above The Game book getting all that money on kickstarter (hopefully most of it is from people who weren’t aware of the book being domineering bullshit), and I’ve seen a certain amount of response to it from feminists on tumblr.

As some of you who follow me may know, I don’t personally identify as a feminist (I don’t mean to be rude as I agree with a great deal of feminist points, it’s just I consider the idea of a gender equality movement naming its self after one gender and slapping the title “patriarchy” on gender inequality [which seems to demonise men as the cause] is rather crude, prideful, victimising, and oversimplified; especially when gender inequality is caused by a greater natural/capitalistic conservative hierarchy forcing men and women into “roles” through social pressure and accommodation). Regardless, it is clear that the author, Ken Hoinsky, is a massive fucking tool. He is a typical asshat who doesn’t understand that people, women in particular, are humans like him (although calling Ken a human seems a little generous).

He is a result of what I call the "gender division culture", the fact that in our society, genders divide themselves, only talking to members of their own genders and referring to the other as if they are aliens.

This begins in our very early childhood, in the mini-society of playgrounds. Boys stick together, doing “manly things”, and talking about how girls are weird cooty-infested creatures of anger. Meanwhile, girls stick to their own group, doing “girly things” and talk about how boys are from Jupiter to get more stupider etc.

As such, in weaker minds this causes notions of femininity and masculinity to stick to the “appropriate genders”, manipulating them in often negative paths, turning many men into violent over-controlling brutes and turning many women into close-minded prudes with low self-esteem. Excessive femininity and masculinity generally do harm in a person, and if I’ve found that if someone wants to be a considerate and loving human, a mix of the two general traits is required (something that is too often shunned by our society, a society poisoned by gender division culture).

This gender division culture (usually with a combination of mommy issues) results in little shits like Ken Hoinsky who don’t consider women as people, seeing them as robots or puzzles to be cracked or solved and eventually controlled in order to suit their selfish needs. He is essentially subhuman scum, (although it could be argued that he is a victim of gender division culture) and I understand fully why his book has come under so much criticism from feminists.

But I would say feminists, that you’re approaching the situation wrongly. You’re criticising the book, but not in a way that will get men to actually listen.

And this actually gets to my major issue with feminism: it doesn’t know how to get MASCULINE MALES to listen. This is partially due to the female brand of the movement, which already means that your average male sexist will never listen, even if they aren’t aware of their sexism (this is surprisingly common by the way, so a note to feminists: be aware that most men don’t even know they’re being sexist and will likely turn against gender equality if you immediately jump out and call them a “sexist pig”).

You don’t get men to stop sexually assaulting by telling them they’re sexist, you get them to stop by telling them they’re ASSHOLES, because that’s what they are, ASSHOLES. They may be sexist, but primarily, they are SIMPLY ASSHOLES who are overly full of themselves and think they’re the greatest thing that happened since Jesus.

Most sexist masculine males are practically hardened to claims of sexism or misogyny and consider it to be “bitches whining”, and thus it effects them more to criticise their attitude as a bad one towards HUMANS, and as an attitude that is SELFISH, RUDE and highly INCONSIDERATE.

There should not be a “war on men”, or even a real “war on sexism” in the West, but a war on ASSHOLEISM, and a war on the culture of gender partitioning that causes this assholeism.

Thank you for reading.

tl;dr Ken Hoinsky is a fucking asshole and feminism is approaching misogyny in the wrong way.

Kickstarter, you disappoint me.

How did I miss this garbage?

And I quote:

1: “The offensive material was part of a draft for a “seduction guide” that someone was using Kickstarter to publish. The posts offended a lot of people — us included — and many asked us to cancel the creator’s project. We didn’t.”

…and

2. “Let us be 100% clear: Content promoting or glorifying violence against women or anyone else has always been prohibited from Kickstarter. If a project page contains hateful or abusive material we don’t approve it in the first place. If we had seen this material when the project was submitted to Kickstarter (we didn’t), it never would have been approved. Kickstarter is committed to a culture of respect.”

…finally

3. “The decision had to be made immediately. We had only two hours from when we found out about the material to when the project was ending. We’ve never acted to remove a project that quickly.”
 
Even after the material which violated Kickstarter’s terms of use were brought to the attention of the company, they still refused to take down the project even though they had two hours to do so. Why?

And while the $25,000 towards RAINN, the U.S.’s largest anti-sexual violence organization, is good; I’m pretty sure that KICKSTARTER is still able to put a stop to the distribution of the funds to one KEN HOINSKY, the individual behind this project that promotes violence against women.   

http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/we-were-wrong