Hey, there~ Quco speaking!
Let me just start out by saying that I’ve been on board on your “stiles is something” crusade since I started following you~ I completely agree with that he is something, and we will most likely see him blooming into this next season.
However, there is a couple of things I’d like to point out and I’m going to use his “super strength” as an example, because that’s the meta I got fresh in my memory and conveys exactly what I mean best.
So, Stiles keeps holding people down a lot. Now, he keeps holding werewolves down a lot. Which, you know, they have super, INhuman, strength and what not and Stiles is a weak, 147 pounds of pale skin and fragile bones, (heh) human boy.
So how come he keeps holding werewolves down? Okay, so the arguments that keep being thrown around are:
a) Convenience of Plot. Cause hey guys! We need stiles to do this thing to make the plot move forwards so everything will work out without backing ourselves up into a steel bear trap.
b) Stiles is something (has been something for a while) and therefore he is able to hold werewolves down because he too has super human strength.
But hey, let’s talk about this! I’m calling convenience of plot when Stiles is helping to hold Scott down in episode 3x01, Tattoo. First of, Derek is holding Scott’s hand, and hey, guess who actually do have super human strength? Derek! And you can also look at it this way, that Scott tried his best not to fight against it. I know we see him turning because of the pain, but isn’t pain also supposed to be what makes you human, and we’ve seen him going calm over pain before. So, all in all, I can’t see him actually struggling too much against Stiles. Derek’s hand perhaps, against Stiles? Not so much.
Then right afterwards in episode 3x02, Chaos Rising, we have Stiles helping hold Isaac down in the ice bath. First off you have two werewolves holding Isaac down, even though it is only the front, and as pointed out Stiles is left alone to fend for Isaac’s bottom. (err you know what I mean) But he only does so after Isaac starts to struggle, and you can also see Stiles loose his grip on his Isaac’s legs before theice cold water gets to him and Isaac drifts off. I’m not calling convenience of plot on this even, cause I don’t think it should be counted. Hey, lets look at it this way. Isaac is trying to escape, he is not going to be able to do so by sliding out with his feet first, If that’s the way he want to go he needs to go down in the bathtub, submerging himself and then try to wriggle free in Stiles’ direction. Completely inconvenient and awkward, plus I don’t really see him thinking straight. So no, I do not think this counts.
Continuing on, we go to 3x06, Motel California, where Stiles breaks Ethan out of his trance and stops him from becoming chopped liver, literally. I am calling convenience of plot also on this one, because all the werewolves snaps out of their trance pretty quickly (except Scott) when they are hurt. In life or death situations people can become a lot stronger, you’ve probably heard such stories before. And it is to my belief that, that is what Stiles does here, still being his normal, human self.
And this is where we get a turning point. Season 3b starts without more ado about holding wolves down (as I can recall) and nothing in season 3b can or will count because Stiles was possessed by Nogi.
and then we get to 4x06, Orphaned, where he helps hold Brett the Werewolf down. in this episode we get close up shots, weird dialogue and side glances from both Stiles and others (Derek). But most importantly he is holding Brett down up front. Not just his legs. Derek is losing his powers so he isn’t so strong, Stiles is supposed to be a human, so how can these two hold down a scared, thrashing and dying werewolf? We just talked about life and death situations, Brett should be maxed out in power, minus wolfsbane poisoning.
So, I’m calling this the “stiles is something” turning point. Because them holding Brett down just isn’t plausible and there really is a line to how gullible we are, dear TW writers, and this is it.
Why is this the turning point? Because this is after season 3b, and because of Nogi’s possession, Stiles “spark” has been lit. Either his powers have been awakened, or it is something he still has left from Nogi. My belief is to be to latter, considering this isn’t even Stiles actual body, it’s the one that got spewed up in 3x11. However that’s a completely different meta, sorry.
(Original Stiles/Stiles actual body is dead, and i’m a firm believer, thnx)
Anyways, Stiles is something come season 4. Because the writers are aware that they cant keep someone human around much longer, especially not someone who keeps putting himself directly into the line of fire, without ending up like Allison and because of Nogi giving Stiles a push in the right direction. Well, that is my point right there.
The writers now know he is something. It is no longer convenience of plot, it is no longer just for comic relief like when Stiles gets punched in the face by Erica with a car part with no damage, then later on gets punched by a totally human Gerrard (several times) and ends up with a really nice collection bruises.
No, in season 4 they are actually building up to something.
We keep getting these weird shows of power throughout the season with close ups, lingering looks, eye contact, strange dialogue, etc. In 4x05 we get this weird close up with Coach and Stiles when Stiles holds back the Lacrosse stick. In 4x09 he breaks out of the restraints Brunski put on him, although it is barely of screen. Only other time that has happened is when Stiles was possessed by Nogi (with no effort I might add) and from Scott when he and Lydia was in Stiles head/bardo in 3x11.
And of course when he holds Malia’s arm back in 4x10 and we get this really weird close up of Stiles holding her arm and looking stunned himself. Or maybe “Woups, I need to be careful” or “Oh shit it’s happening again wtf is going on??”
Then you have when he gets hit right in the face in 4x12. Gets up and all that, you already wrote a brilliant meta on it.
So yes, I just wanted to sort this out, because I think it’s important to read between the lines, but not everything we see can be counted. Which is a big problem when it comes to Meta. But hey, we are all allowed to count which parts we want, it’s meta, not canon after all. Nothing’s been revealed yet (sadly)
Now I wouldn’t put it past the writers and Jeff to maybe include some of the past episodes as the reason later on (que flashback to stiles being superman come season 5) because that would be super brilliant and make it look like they were building up to it all along, but I simply don’t think they have been considering it for that long.
Hopefully they are considering it…
and I’m sorry this turned out soo long, it was originally going to be a short ask, but hey, I wanted to be able to explain myself fully!
thanks for listening at least~
Thanks for the wonderful submission, And forgive me for taking ages to get around to it.
I do agree, not everything in teen wolf is a plot point. it would be exhausting if it was. and not everything stiles does is proof that he is or isn’t something. Obviously i don’t know when Jeff and his merry band of writers decided that Stiles was to be something. Personally i think they might have know the entire time or at least been open to the possibility, and left little clues that in hindsight fits and can make us nod our heads and go “yeah, now i get it.” Or if we’re wrong and stiles isn’t anything other than 100 % human after all then little stuff will just be convenience of plot and that’s that.
It’s sort of like with Stiles and the hints of him being bisexual. They’ve always been there from the start, but has mostly had an air of comic relief to them (although stiles himself is always serious in those situations). So if Jeff goes that route it will have references and make sense. But if it never amounts to anything, then it will just be a lost opportunity and some fun moments.
I think a lot of people assume that if i make a meta post it’s something that I believe 100 %. That is not the case. If I find a pattern, a parallel or even a situation that with what we now saw in season 4 might be something - like Stiles helping Derek hold down scott in 3x01, i will point it out. It could be another piece of evidence. or it might not. the bottom line is we may never know. Even when Stiles is revealed as something i doubt we’ll get a flashback of all the things that proves it. that is not Teen wolf’s style after all.
I totally do agree that season 4 is a turning point for stiles. But he’s had some sort of ability since at least season 2 with the mountain ash and the telekinesis. So his somethingness has been there all along, it’s just now bubbling more to the surface, and he’s also aware of it. That is the major change.
I must admit i find it curious that the only time we’ve seen stiles with any kind of bruises or being visibly hurt is when Gerard = a human did it.
People will have to make up their own minds about what they want to believe or not. I do think that some of the stuff i’ve mentioned in my meta writing time probably is just convience of plot. Others might not be.
I also would like to point out another possible strength scene that is mostly considered comedic and from 3a
I’ve watched grown men smash tv, laptops, cars and other hard surfaces to pieces using a wooden bat. never have i seen it turned to saw dust like this. Is it just because voltron alpha is so hard? I’m no physics major or anything, but i would assume it takes quite a bit of force and momentum to hit something hard enough to achieve this outcome. If anyone with knowledge will either confirm or shut this down i’d be grateful :)
I wont walk through each of the possible scenes where stiles perhaps could have more strength than what is “human” - I’ve talked a bit about the scene in 3x01 where Scott is burned with the blow torch here - Derek isn’t really holding him down much, just a hand on his leg(s). And there’s that weird finger thing as well. Does it mean anything or is it just a weird twitch from Dylan? I have no clue.
What i’m feeling close to 100 % sure about is that Stiles is something. Whether or not all the possible things i’ve listed as possible evidence are in fact that is less likely. I do appreciate your thoughts on this :) just few more months and we might know more…